All GF B767's indefinitely grounded!!!!!!
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i do agree with you i but i lost my job because they had to stop the service so i do not want to se this with others
the thing is to br safe thats it .... but if they promiss they have to do it .
they promised me to do my ccq in march now they told me UFN -TBN
i do agree with you i but i lost my job because they had to stop the service so i do not want to se this with others
the thing is to br safe thats it .... but if they promiss they have to do it .
they promised me to do my ccq in march now they told me UFN -TBN
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Sorry guys but I am rather confused here....who is really running the show at GF??? The person who is responsible for things there in Operations had apparently left on holidays on the eve of the shut-down of the entire fleet??
"Baffled" is one word I would think might describe how that seems. There may be other ways to describe it.
Sounds like some people in comfy seats in your top brass are about to have a hard landing of their own??
And on top of that, you are about to lose one of the best people there who does his best for the pilots (the Head of Flight Ops?)?? Sounds like he is walking out of a mess that had no part of his doings. Good choice he's leaving, from what people are saying.
Good luck all.
"Baffled" is one word I would think might describe how that seems. There may be other ways to describe it.
Sounds like some people in comfy seats in your top brass are about to have a hard landing of their own??
And on top of that, you are about to lose one of the best people there who does his best for the pilots (the Head of Flight Ops?)?? Sounds like he is walking out of a mess that had no part of his doings. Good choice he's leaving, from what people are saying.
Good luck all.
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i just read an artical about oman air which it was published early this year and i read it now in one of the subjects which it was open in this site.
Oman GOV. increased the shairs in Oman Aviation ( Oman Air ) to reach 80% wich means almost fully supported by the goverment .... and the rumours are that they are planing to withdrew from GF .. they might withdrew but it will take them time cause they have to establish the company first oman air at present time they can not compet other airline.
they have a right to withdrew because look now GF management they are not acting proffisional , they have to do a big meeting including the boared members so they hava to know if we decided to change the flleet by now we had other aircraft and few 767 which we were going under less pressure but were are they , BKK/ KTM Training / few guys are in the office . i am not sure if this guys will go under investigation or no because they shoud knew all this problems with 767 or other flet VP technical is reporting to VPO am i write , then whats wrong . with all my respect locals should not be in the management . because they do not care . and they care if they retire how much they will get. and they want the position for a show. i am so and so..... with all my respect i know most of locals are excellent and they are proffisional but i mean the one in the management
Oman GOV. increased the shairs in Oman Aviation ( Oman Air ) to reach 80% wich means almost fully supported by the goverment .... and the rumours are that they are planing to withdrew from GF .. they might withdrew but it will take them time cause they have to establish the company first oman air at present time they can not compet other airline.
they have a right to withdrew because look now GF management they are not acting proffisional , they have to do a big meeting including the boared members so they hava to know if we decided to change the flleet by now we had other aircraft and few 767 which we were going under less pressure but were are they , BKK/ KTM Training / few guys are in the office . i am not sure if this guys will go under investigation or no because they shoud knew all this problems with 767 or other flet VP technical is reporting to VPO am i write , then whats wrong . with all my respect locals should not be in the management . because they do not care . and they care if they retire how much they will get. and they want the position for a show. i am so and so..... with all my respect i know most of locals are excellent and they are proffisional but i mean the one in the management
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From Air Transport Intelligence News - London
Gulf Air temporarily grounds 767 fleet for maintenance checks
Kerry Ezard, London (01Mar07, 10:42 GMT, 231 words)
Middle East carrier Gulf Air has temporarily grounded its Boeing 767-300ER fleet for maintenance checks after discovering traces of corrosion on one of the aircraft.
Gulf Air says the corrosion was detected during a regular maintenance check, and the carrier has for safety reasons ordered an “immediate and thorough check of all aircraft of the same type” in its fleet.
The airline has warned passengers that this could lead to “significant delays” while aircraft are re-positioned in its network, but notes that the 767s are expected to return to service “within the next few days”.
Gulf Air operates a fleet of nine 767-300ERs, mainly on routes to the Indian sub-continent and the Far East. The carrier says it has offered alternative travel arrangements to passengers affected by the grounding, including “as a last resort” travel with other airlines.
“We have made this decision in line with our ‘safety first’ philosophy,” says Gulf Air head of corporate affairs Reem Antoon. “An initial evaluation by the technical team indicates that within the next few days the 767s should gradually return to service.”
Gulf Air earlier this month reaffirmed its commitment to replacing its 767 fleet, stating that it would introduce new aircraft “progressively in accordance with market demand and commercial constraints”.
The Bahrain-based carrier, which also operates Airbus A320s, A330s and A340s, has not indicated the type of aircraft it plans to introduce.
Kerry Ezard, London (01Mar07, 10:42 GMT, 231 words)
Middle East carrier Gulf Air has temporarily grounded its Boeing 767-300ER fleet for maintenance checks after discovering traces of corrosion on one of the aircraft.
Gulf Air says the corrosion was detected during a regular maintenance check, and the carrier has for safety reasons ordered an “immediate and thorough check of all aircraft of the same type” in its fleet.
The airline has warned passengers that this could lead to “significant delays” while aircraft are re-positioned in its network, but notes that the 767s are expected to return to service “within the next few days”.
Gulf Air operates a fleet of nine 767-300ERs, mainly on routes to the Indian sub-continent and the Far East. The carrier says it has offered alternative travel arrangements to passengers affected by the grounding, including “as a last resort” travel with other airlines.
“We have made this decision in line with our ‘safety first’ philosophy,” says Gulf Air head of corporate affairs Reem Antoon. “An initial evaluation by the technical team indicates that within the next few days the 767s should gradually return to service.”
Gulf Air earlier this month reaffirmed its commitment to replacing its 767 fleet, stating that it would introduce new aircraft “progressively in accordance with market demand and commercial constraints”.
The Bahrain-based carrier, which also operates Airbus A320s, A330s and A340s, has not indicated the type of aircraft it plans to introduce.
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ALL B767 WILL BE IN SERVICE AT 24 MARCH 07........that is the latest.......calm down boys.......no XFR to A340 /A330.........A340 taking over KTM blocks....we just done sim training for TR CAPT, startted from yesterday.
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Aircraft available for use in the Company's fleet reduced by 25%. Over three weeks to restore normal operational capability.
I don't know what's " " about that!
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An email sent out by Ops.
There is a plan to cover the next 3-4 days, until 5Mar.
This involved a number of cancellations (e.g. KUL, JKT), aircraft downgrades and timing changes.
Post 5Mar, the situation is a bit murky as engineering believe that some of the B767's can be in operation within 2 weeks as the corrosion is treatable and does not require a new part from Boeing.
Gulfsexy - I am led to believe that A340 can't do a KTM for some operational restriction.
Oh, Andre Dose is coming down to the Pink Palace on Sunday. Should be interesting !!
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There is a plan to cover the next 3-4 days, until 5Mar.
This involved a number of cancellations (e.g. KUL, JKT), aircraft downgrades and timing changes.
Post 5Mar, the situation is a bit murky as engineering believe that some of the B767's can be in operation within 2 weeks as the corrosion is treatable and does not require a new part from Boeing.
Gulfsexy - I am led to believe that A340 can't do a KTM for some operational restriction.
Oh, Andre Dose is coming down to the Pink Palace on Sunday. Should be interesting !!
Keep Flying
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No retraction on A340 Opreating into KTM. Check GF404/409 mct-ktm-bah , flight already landed and departed back........training going on , for KTM ops. BOYS ON B767, stop dreaming XFRING to A340/A330, it is still early.
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340 started the KTM operation years ago, then had a landing gear prob with the tight turn on the RW (prob was rectified). Now RW has a turning node to take a 777-300 (Thai Inter runs 773 into KTM), - so no prob.
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hi guys this is my reply to gulfair sexy
well i am flying A330, what do you mean by no transfer to 330 or 340 for 767 guys , who are you to decide , do you think you are the best we all flying an aircraft not because you are flying 330 or 340 ..you might were straggling maybe to get 330 or 340 rating thats why you se your self high , i was flying a turboprop and i got A330 it is not so difficult for 767 to fly 330 or 340 and why you are saying the they are dreaming well in gulf air because it is so F**** ** company with a small number of A/C yes you have to show off well in other company who cares if you fly 330 or 340 or 777,
if 767 flet downsizing i am saying ((( IF)) then they have to transfer them and by the way i heared that 4 fos will start their course in March, and i heared more to come if i am right but you are part of this managemnt .. then tell me if i am right or wrong ..
most of my friends applied for flet transfer and i hope to se them on A340 or 330.
by the way go and do KTM mr. perfect.
well i am flying A330, what do you mean by no transfer to 330 or 340 for 767 guys , who are you to decide , do you think you are the best we all flying an aircraft not because you are flying 330 or 340 ..you might were straggling maybe to get 330 or 340 rating thats why you se your self high , i was flying a turboprop and i got A330 it is not so difficult for 767 to fly 330 or 340 and why you are saying the they are dreaming well in gulf air because it is so F**** ** company with a small number of A/C yes you have to show off well in other company who cares if you fly 330 or 340 or 777,
if 767 flet downsizing i am saying ((( IF)) then they have to transfer them and by the way i heared that 4 fos will start their course in March, and i heared more to come if i am right but you are part of this managemnt .. then tell me if i am right or wrong ..
most of my friends applied for flet transfer and i hope to se them on A340 or 330.
by the way go and do KTM mr. perfect.
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Actually the newspaper article was misleading...It's a lot worse than stated. Corrosion trace? Try imminent skin and structural failure in one tail number. Galleys and Lavs leaked so badly and went unrepaired for so long that one of the fleet, and possibly two may never return to service...watch your six guys, this is serious, the insurance guys are due in BAH shortly...I also hear the head of MTCE for GF is through. Other problems exist in that dept as well, but covered up by senior mgmnt... and DGCAM went along with it...extensions past inspection due dates etc. Not a fun place anymore, and kinda glad to be gone...be safe guys, don't take any crap from the pleading Ops crowd...you know: where they BEG you to operate "as without you the flight will be cancelled!
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Hi all, lifetime gold GF FF here and after reading this thread I was busting to say something.... I'm a veteran of doing business in the ME....I will say it in all honesty that the male work ethic in the GCC can be deplorable....my experience has been with ground staff, front line airline staff and cabin crew. GF have the clearly self destroying rule of only GCC national males allowed to apply for cabin crew posts..and guess what - the males are absolutely useless in most cases. Even the local Arab pilot who comes and plonks himself in an empty F class seat...turns on his monitor for the sake of turning it on - not even watching it! and reading light on during a night flight disturbing paying premium SLEEPING pax.....all while crew rest is empty! I've seen this on two occasions recently. GF has such great potential but need to adopt the QR EK and EY (to lesser extent) polices of sufficient western staff or capable local staff in key posts.
I have NO reason to doubt this same uselessness I speak of is present in the "pink palace" I often gawk at when put up in Movenpick while in transit...and wonder how many locals are waiting for their monthly check sitting idly at their desks...I'd also LOVE to record the amount of times the word 'enshallah' and 'mafi mushkilla' are used in that place!
My thoughts go out to those GF crew and staff members who rival those of any other 1st rate carrier...they are inevitably let down by the 'rotten apples' in the box. GF wake up and smell the roses....for the EXACT same reasons u employed a western CEO, those reasons must be adopted company wide and the locals have nobody to blame but themselves and their poor work ethic. I do acknowledge, however, there are a few local staff I have encountered who I take my hat off to. (Mostly Female)
Now it's reached the point of safety and something has to be done! Not only from crew and staff viewpoints but also from us loyal premium pax who keep those guys in the palace all employed. I'm seriously considering shifting to EK or EY. I'm actually in negotiation with both carriers to have my loyalty honored with either of the two, then I'm shifting if I see no improvement on GF's part....and for the first time of 12 years with GF I do feel my life is at risk not due to ability but due to choice (or lack thereof) and complacency,......sad but true. I hope the 'royalty' living in the 'palace' understand their mini empire can easily crumble if this 'management' style continues!
PS I'd be most delighted for a GF staff member to hand this post to someone who cares in the "palace"...wishful thinking it will cause at least a ripple?
I have NO reason to doubt this same uselessness I speak of is present in the "pink palace" I often gawk at when put up in Movenpick while in transit...and wonder how many locals are waiting for their monthly check sitting idly at their desks...I'd also LOVE to record the amount of times the word 'enshallah' and 'mafi mushkilla' are used in that place!
My thoughts go out to those GF crew and staff members who rival those of any other 1st rate carrier...they are inevitably let down by the 'rotten apples' in the box. GF wake up and smell the roses....for the EXACT same reasons u employed a western CEO, those reasons must be adopted company wide and the locals have nobody to blame but themselves and their poor work ethic. I do acknowledge, however, there are a few local staff I have encountered who I take my hat off to. (Mostly Female)
Now it's reached the point of safety and something has to be done! Not only from crew and staff viewpoints but also from us loyal premium pax who keep those guys in the palace all employed. I'm seriously considering shifting to EK or EY. I'm actually in negotiation with both carriers to have my loyalty honored with either of the two, then I'm shifting if I see no improvement on GF's part....and for the first time of 12 years with GF I do feel my life is at risk not due to ability but due to choice (or lack thereof) and complacency,......sad but true. I hope the 'royalty' living in the 'palace' understand their mini empire can easily crumble if this 'management' style continues!
PS I'd be most delighted for a GF staff member to hand this post to someone who cares in the "palace"...wishful thinking it will cause at least a ripple?
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what did you espect?
Imagine, you are a sheik. You have luxury yachts, assortment of vehicles from lunar rovers to Ferraris, beautiful sandy beaches with warm inviting waters. You never have to travel to Manama international airport because you have your own airfield with your own airline with aircraft to suit every occasion, including one dedicated to the ‘mile high club’ Aircraft to put some national fleets to shame.
Unfortunately the imperial leather was placed to many times the wrong way up and has been the cause of to many slippery forays. Now it’s time to pay the cost! Gulfair are pretty much the only thing that keeps Bahrain on the map. It’s made many a man rich and, your local fake watch seller in the souk would spit in his grave if he thought gulfair would disappear into obscurity. I will from now on refer to gulfair in lower case and gfa. So too, some of the best guys and crews in the company are looking at possible extinction. I will not the harbinger of doom but doom it will be for the poor sod that just joined the 767 fleet and doesn’t have the required hours to do contracting or other whoring work. For others it will be the opportunity they where looking for! The partying in the back of the aircraft has spoiled the fun for future slave traders.
It was made clear to gfa over 3 months ago that the corrosion on one of its aircraft was beyond limits and was grounded indefinitely, possibly written off for good on a ‘c’ check in Ireland, with only major airframe work returning to service, also that the rest of the fleet were probably in the same condition. Gfa have been trying to avoid the inevitable by sourcing out the c checks to other more ‘amiable’ engineering firms. Fortunately somebody blew the whistle and as a result the truth has now come out possibly saving the lives of at least 2 good men.
The little fat batard that kept throwing his die cast gfa 767 into the swimming pool has now realized that running an airline is no longer a sport. Rather than trade endurance horses, play desert golf, exchange Moroccan prostitutes, collect Falcons, be pimp to Saudi fun seeking royalty, and play ‘airline’ you should consider the effect of neglect and idleness that it has on thousands of lives in the kingdom. Your less than 100,000 barrels of oil a year just pays for you own private aircraft. The nation that started its well intentioned move into first world business 40 years ago ahead of other gulf states has seriously lost it’s impetuous in the last 15 years. It won’t matter about the fancy welcome to Bahrain propaganda videos you show on the flagship fleet if your modern office blocks remain empty. Manama is already disappearing into the filthy dust that no amount of landscaping can remove.
The only way to save gfa from becoming a small has been airline and keep growth stimulated in Bahrain is to stop playing God, realize your own failures and sell 51% to a western management team that will work efficiently to grow their wealth and values into the airline business. Values? Well that’s the question, stop interfering with the private lives of westerners, you can’t expect to attract investment into hypocrisy! And get a beach other than your own! It’s long term thinking, don’t let your sons become Saudi slaves!
yours,
Unfortunately the imperial leather was placed to many times the wrong way up and has been the cause of to many slippery forays. Now it’s time to pay the cost! Gulfair are pretty much the only thing that keeps Bahrain on the map. It’s made many a man rich and, your local fake watch seller in the souk would spit in his grave if he thought gulfair would disappear into obscurity. I will from now on refer to gulfair in lower case and gfa. So too, some of the best guys and crews in the company are looking at possible extinction. I will not the harbinger of doom but doom it will be for the poor sod that just joined the 767 fleet and doesn’t have the required hours to do contracting or other whoring work. For others it will be the opportunity they where looking for! The partying in the back of the aircraft has spoiled the fun for future slave traders.
It was made clear to gfa over 3 months ago that the corrosion on one of its aircraft was beyond limits and was grounded indefinitely, possibly written off for good on a ‘c’ check in Ireland, with only major airframe work returning to service, also that the rest of the fleet were probably in the same condition. Gfa have been trying to avoid the inevitable by sourcing out the c checks to other more ‘amiable’ engineering firms. Fortunately somebody blew the whistle and as a result the truth has now come out possibly saving the lives of at least 2 good men.
The little fat batard that kept throwing his die cast gfa 767 into the swimming pool has now realized that running an airline is no longer a sport. Rather than trade endurance horses, play desert golf, exchange Moroccan prostitutes, collect Falcons, be pimp to Saudi fun seeking royalty, and play ‘airline’ you should consider the effect of neglect and idleness that it has on thousands of lives in the kingdom. Your less than 100,000 barrels of oil a year just pays for you own private aircraft. The nation that started its well intentioned move into first world business 40 years ago ahead of other gulf states has seriously lost it’s impetuous in the last 15 years. It won’t matter about the fancy welcome to Bahrain propaganda videos you show on the flagship fleet if your modern office blocks remain empty. Manama is already disappearing into the filthy dust that no amount of landscaping can remove.
The only way to save gfa from becoming a small has been airline and keep growth stimulated in Bahrain is to stop playing God, realize your own failures and sell 51% to a western management team that will work efficiently to grow their wealth and values into the airline business. Values? Well that’s the question, stop interfering with the private lives of westerners, you can’t expect to attract investment into hypocrisy! And get a beach other than your own! It’s long term thinking, don’t let your sons become Saudi slaves!
yours,
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CG11......why you so high..... i do not have a problem.....i am a capt on A340/A330 for long, not a f/o . secondly we have to respect a sr people , not to let jr people jump ahead of que.......so calm down ..i did not ment the boys on 767 not deserve to fly A340/A330.....flying the machine it is not so difficault......so lean your language 