View Poll Results: EK Guys - would you work a day off?
Sure I would
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Who me? I don't even answer the phone
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79.80%
I'd work if 4HP asked me to
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1.01%
Voters: 198. This poll is closed
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Millerscourt.
Thanks for the back up. I was only trying to take some of the heat out of a 'high energy' thread. SecureID has a dry, almost sarcastic, sense of humour at the best of times. As 'Pinkie' hasn't 'corrected' his post, I shall delete mine as it caused such offence and showed me to be highly unprofessional. Once again thanks for the support.
SecureID.
You owe me a beer for that uneccessary broadside! Now go throw yourself off a barstool... again!!!
Back to the thread issues. The worsening pay and conditions 'rumour' at Emirates may be having an effect. I arrived back in DXB this morning to open my emails and found that yet another friend of mine has decided to stay in the UK and decline an offer of an interview with Emirates because of what he and the other 3 considers to be a 'crap package' coupled with poor Command prospects. This is the 4th guy in 6 weeks and they are for F/O positions. What next? 2nd Officers?
Thanks for the back up. I was only trying to take some of the heat out of a 'high energy' thread. SecureID has a dry, almost sarcastic, sense of humour at the best of times. As 'Pinkie' hasn't 'corrected' his post, I shall delete mine as it caused such offence and showed me to be highly unprofessional. Once again thanks for the support.
SecureID.
You owe me a beer for that uneccessary broadside! Now go throw yourself off a barstool... again!!!
Back to the thread issues. The worsening pay and conditions 'rumour' at Emirates may be having an effect. I arrived back in DXB this morning to open my emails and found that yet another friend of mine has decided to stay in the UK and decline an offer of an interview with Emirates because of what he and the other 3 considers to be a 'crap package' coupled with poor Command prospects. This is the 4th guy in 6 weeks and they are for F/O positions. What next? 2nd Officers?
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Interesting reading all the drivel about CENTS. So all you EK drivers are in Dubai to milk EK as much as possible. And when the management takes decisions based on prudent economics you selfish lot go overboard. When will you ungrateful lot say Thank You to Emirates for where you are today.....accelerated commands and so on. Has it ever crossed your mind where you would have been ( now in the left seats ) if you were not helped by the bias and prejudice of your compatriots in EK recruitment. Most of you are from bankrupt airlines ( charters etc.) and have made Emirates a cool retreat and by GOD you so jealously guard recruitment. If you are being meted unfair treatment by the management then why don't you leave, now that you have the experience provided by the opportunity given you by EK to get commands ( better & higher equipments in the case of ex-capts. and 1st timer Capts.) that you would have slogged for had you stayed in your previous employments.
And before you take turns to say that I am saying so because I did not make the grade, I turned down the offer after reading your mindset here on pprune. I don't want to be part of such a selfish fraternity. SHAME.
Happy Landings.
Interesting reading all the drivel about CENTS. So all you EK drivers are in Dubai to milk EK as much as possible. And when the management takes decisions based on prudent economics you selfish lot go overboard. When will you ungrateful lot say Thank You to Emirates for where you are today.....accelerated commands and so on. Has it ever crossed your mind where you would have been ( now in the left seats ) if you were not helped by the bias and prejudice of your compatriots in EK recruitment. Most of you are from bankrupt airlines ( charters etc.) and have made Emirates a cool retreat and by GOD you so jealously guard recruitment. If you are being meted unfair treatment by the management then why don't you leave, now that you have the experience provided by the opportunity given you by EK to get commands ( better & higher equipments in the case of ex-capts. and 1st timer Capts.) that you would have slogged for had you stayed in your previous employments.
And before you take turns to say that I am saying so because I did not make the grade, I turned down the offer after reading your mindset here on pprune. I don't want to be part of such a selfish fraternity. SHAME.
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What do you know - Albie's back and grinding that same old axe! For the uninitiated - Albatross2004 has on numerous occasions accused EK recruiting of racial bais (see previous threads on the subject).
As you can see, it doesn't matter what the topic of the thread is, he will get his soapbox out and hammer the recruiting process. Which makes his last paragraph not very believable. Vow.
As you can see, it doesn't matter what the topic of the thread is, he will get his soapbox out and hammer the recruiting process. Which makes his last paragraph not very believable. Vow.
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Firstly,thank you for telling us that you turned Emirates down. I imagine that most people who read your post would have thought otherwise due to the its bitter and spiteful tone.I'm sure i will not be the only one to reply,however,if you really are a professional pilot as you say you are,then i feel it necessary to make a response.
I don't think there is one single pilot here who is out to " MILK EK". We have all decided to work here for one reason or another,perhaps as you say,the lure of new big equipment , shorter time to commands, lifestyle,job security or whatever.The main concern of people here is when the T & C's are changed.You state that MOST of us come from now defunct charter Airlines.Wrong.Yes there were quite a few from Australia and from Canada3000 and ,yes ,a few from Swissair or Swiss or whatever it is/was!
MANY people joined here with the promise of accelerated command but this has since changed. Should we be grateful for that?MOST of us have given up good jobs ( already left seat). MOST of us came from very good Airlines that are still flying.
MOST of us can see with our own eyes that screwing Companies into the ground only screws us.Just ask our Australian friends here.Once bitten,twice shy.Unlike most other Airlines,Emirates is thriving.Our target this year is 50% greater than the previous and we made 10 weeks profit share on that.So,as for prudent economics, they're not a valid argument.If we don't make target but still make a thumping profit,we are entitled to nothing.Should we still be grateful?
Well,i'll be very disappointed if i don't get profit share but not ungrateful.You see,we have already received a letter from our EVP stating that they have reconsidered their policy on Deadheading productivity. They have assured us that we should not see any loss to our salary or lifestyle.Time will tell because if there is,people,as you say,should and WILL leave.
This forum may or may not have had an impact on that decision.
One decision it did have an impact on,however,was your decision not to come.Not because you didn't want to work for Emirates, but rather you didn't want to be a part of such a selfish fraternity.
SHAME.......i might have enjoyed flying with you,NOT!
Firstly,thank you for telling us that you turned Emirates down. I imagine that most people who read your post would have thought otherwise due to the its bitter and spiteful tone.I'm sure i will not be the only one to reply,however,if you really are a professional pilot as you say you are,then i feel it necessary to make a response.
I don't think there is one single pilot here who is out to " MILK EK". We have all decided to work here for one reason or another,perhaps as you say,the lure of new big equipment , shorter time to commands, lifestyle,job security or whatever.The main concern of people here is when the T & C's are changed.You state that MOST of us come from now defunct charter Airlines.Wrong.Yes there were quite a few from Australia and from Canada3000 and ,yes ,a few from Swissair or Swiss or whatever it is/was!
MANY people joined here with the promise of accelerated command but this has since changed. Should we be grateful for that?MOST of us have given up good jobs ( already left seat). MOST of us came from very good Airlines that are still flying.
MOST of us can see with our own eyes that screwing Companies into the ground only screws us.Just ask our Australian friends here.Once bitten,twice shy.Unlike most other Airlines,Emirates is thriving.Our target this year is 50% greater than the previous and we made 10 weeks profit share on that.So,as for prudent economics, they're not a valid argument.If we don't make target but still make a thumping profit,we are entitled to nothing.Should we still be grateful?
Well,i'll be very disappointed if i don't get profit share but not ungrateful.You see,we have already received a letter from our EVP stating that they have reconsidered their policy on Deadheading productivity. They have assured us that we should not see any loss to our salary or lifestyle.Time will tell because if there is,people,as you say,should and WILL leave.
This forum may or may not have had an impact on that decision.
One decision it did have an impact on,however,was your decision not to come.Not because you didn't want to work for Emirates, but rather you didn't want to be a part of such a selfish fraternity.
SHAME.......i might have enjoyed flying with you,NOT!
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The Bitter and Twisted (Albatoss0000) aside, there has been a back down of sorts re the origins of this thread. It still remains to be seen if, despite our strong opinions, how the changes will pan out in 'real life'.
It is strange how 'change' is more difficult for us the pilots than the management who instigate the change...I for one have not come across anyone who has 'welcomed' any of the recent changes, MOST do not like them...expect strong opinions to remain.
It is strange how 'change' is more difficult for us the pilots than the management who instigate the change...I for one have not come across anyone who has 'welcomed' any of the recent changes, MOST do not like them...expect strong opinions to remain.
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Albatross.
Are you certain,it wasnt you who designed,our latest Ts and Cs,that WE as EK pilots wish to discuss??You sound familiar??Do you own an anorak,and a set of binoculars??
You are a bitter and twisted soul,and Im afraid,I dont buy your "I didnt accept the job" nonsense.
Many,myself included gave up good jobs in stable airlines,I wasnt charter,but I think the charter lads are bloody good operators in general,and for you to believe otherwise shows you for the loser you obviously are.I can only assume you are above charter,in your present job,whatever that may be.As for those,who lost their jobs,well,how unfortunate,and I only hope Im not in that unenviable position.EK have provided,many,many pilots with a new start,but that doesnt mean to say we as a group cannot,discuss,our livelihoods,openly amongst ourselves.
Now,back to business,already a U turn on dead heading,which is a definite step in the right direction,for us all,at least there has been some positive reflection,on an otherwise grim set of conditions.Let the whining continue,its our only channel,and it does no harm.
Dune,unable to access your PM,mate.
Off for a few beers,having just added more "time" and "experience",for my CV.QB:
Are you certain,it wasnt you who designed,our latest Ts and Cs,that WE as EK pilots wish to discuss??You sound familiar??Do you own an anorak,and a set of binoculars??
You are a bitter and twisted soul,and Im afraid,I dont buy your "I didnt accept the job" nonsense.
Many,myself included gave up good jobs in stable airlines,I wasnt charter,but I think the charter lads are bloody good operators in general,and for you to believe otherwise shows you for the loser you obviously are.I can only assume you are above charter,in your present job,whatever that may be.As for those,who lost their jobs,well,how unfortunate,and I only hope Im not in that unenviable position.EK have provided,many,many pilots with a new start,but that doesnt mean to say we as a group cannot,discuss,our livelihoods,openly amongst ourselves.
Now,back to business,already a U turn on dead heading,which is a definite step in the right direction,for us all,at least there has been some positive reflection,on an otherwise grim set of conditions.Let the whining continue,its our only channel,and it does no harm.
Dune,unable to access your PM,mate.
Off for a few beers,having just added more "time" and "experience",for my CV.QB:
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Yep, good to see the turnaround on the Deadheading.
Just need to sort out the Classroom and Sim stuff now.
Have to agree that leave shouldn't count, as for Reserves...........hmmmm not sure about that one.
Actually thought the letter from A al R was quite good, however expect that TCAS had a large part in it.
It was nice to see a reasoned reply from the management, maybe a view of things to come?
Just need to sort out the Classroom and Sim stuff now.
Have to agree that leave shouldn't count, as for Reserves...........hmmmm not sure about that one.
Actually thought the letter from A al R was quite good, however expect that TCAS had a large part in it.
It was nice to see a reasoned reply from the management, maybe a view of things to come?
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It never fails to amaze me how individuals like you Albatross can make comments and inputs on a section of this forum where you dont even work or belong.
You dont work for EK by your own admission. You say that you turned the job down (Really?) Yet you still come on here and slag OUR company off. You obviously have some issues, or is it the basic psychology of an individual that is now kicking himself for his poor decision making. A decision based on comments made on this forum.
So tell me because I am maybe missing something here. What makes a person who doesnt work for EK or even work in the Middle East come on to this forum and start making comments and inputs on something they have no right to make comments on. The only thing this tells me is that you let other people make decisions for you. Therefore by right you should NOT be here. So maybe the recruitment dept did their job properly. As all people here are prospective capts and it seems you cant make decisions for yourself, you dont belong here. Should you even be flying aircraft? Now run along to your own forum !
You sad people !
You dont work for EK by your own admission. You say that you turned the job down (Really?) Yet you still come on here and slag OUR company off. You obviously have some issues, or is it the basic psychology of an individual that is now kicking himself for his poor decision making. A decision based on comments made on this forum.
So tell me because I am maybe missing something here. What makes a person who doesnt work for EK or even work in the Middle East come on to this forum and start making comments and inputs on something they have no right to make comments on. The only thing this tells me is that you let other people make decisions for you. Therefore by right you should NOT be here. So maybe the recruitment dept did their job properly. As all people here are prospective capts and it seems you cant make decisions for yourself, you dont belong here. Should you even be flying aircraft? Now run along to your own forum !
You sad people !
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So what's the general consensus.
Is this going to appease the masses or should there be more consessions.
I for one will not be working any days off, unless of course it benefits me to do so. Additionally, I am inclined not to be answering my phone on reserve days if I am not being paid for it.
dmf
Is this going to appease the masses or should there be more consessions.
I for one will not be working any days off, unless of course it benefits me to do so. Additionally, I am inclined not to be answering my phone on reserve days if I am not being paid for it.
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Pontius, Sorry about the delay in replying, I was down on the beach. Thanks for your concern, no I was not upset at all, in fact I had a good laugh. I thought I could do a short post without using the spell check. I now know better.
Guys lets not lose our sense of humor it's about all we have left.
The only person that upsets me on this forum is Desert-Knight.
DMF lets have some suggestions on what we can do (positive please)
Guys lets not lose our sense of humor it's about all we have left.
The only person that upsets me on this forum is Desert-Knight.
DMF lets have some suggestions on what we can do (positive please)
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We only have three ways to express our concern
1. Write to the managment and express your concerns in a constructive manner
2. Call in sick when you are rostered in a manner you believe to be prejudicial
3. Look for another job.
I can't think of any other ways to tackle the problem can you?
dmf
We only have three ways to express our concern
1. Write to the managment and express your concerns in a constructive manner
2. Call in sick when you are rostered in a manner you believe to be prejudicial
3. Look for another job.
I can't think of any other ways to tackle the problem can you?
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Open Dialogue
Gents I have recently gone into the office and met with the new boss. My impressions:
He is a gentleman who is very willing to engage in dialogue with all of our concerns.
Adel Al Redha is now trying to show a more positive side towards the pilots.
I know that the last two meetings were very frustrating for us. Maybe the meetings are something of the passed. Why dont we try a more personal approach by either writting in to either Stealey or Al Redha directly by email or post. Furthermore the option of going in and seeing the bosses may be even more beneficial.
Regards
Check Six
He is a gentleman who is very willing to engage in dialogue with all of our concerns.
Adel Al Redha is now trying to show a more positive side towards the pilots.
I know that the last two meetings were very frustrating for us. Maybe the meetings are something of the passed. Why dont we try a more personal approach by either writting in to either Stealey or Al Redha directly by email or post. Furthermore the option of going in and seeing the bosses may be even more beneficial.
Regards
Check Six
Fully agree with Six on this one. Witnessed AAR have a chat with one of the fellas in the CBC before a flight not long after the pay cut was announced, and then out came the letter addressing the topic of that conversation...the pay for deadheading. Think its time we get off our arses and politely voice our concerns.
The deadheading decision is a major step forward, but until the issue of reserve is taken care of, we are still facing an uncertain future re days off etc. As an example, my NOV roster has just shy of 100hrs credit, 8 days off, but still 3 reserve days!!! Hope this is not a sign of things to come!!!
As an amendment to one of the posts above, pay for leave was 2.5hrs per day, pay for SIM reserve etc, is/was 3.5hrs per day.
Don't be too quick to let this go. This was what you were told you were going to be payed when you decided to join EK. The removal of this from your credit towards pay, as well as the reduced credit towards pay for short sector flights (no longer 3.5hrs for MUC BAH etc) still means a pay cut. So far I have not heard of any other group of employees within the EK group taking a pay cut. It is all well and good for people like Desert Knight to say we should take in on the chin and stop complaining, but I wonder what he would think if it was him taking the cut to fund the bigger profit, while no one else in the company has to.
DON.
The deadheading decision is a major step forward, but until the issue of reserve is taken care of, we are still facing an uncertain future re days off etc. As an example, my NOV roster has just shy of 100hrs credit, 8 days off, but still 3 reserve days!!! Hope this is not a sign of things to come!!!
As an amendment to one of the posts above, pay for leave was 2.5hrs per day, pay for SIM reserve etc, is/was 3.5hrs per day.
Don't be too quick to let this go. This was what you were told you were going to be payed when you decided to join EK. The removal of this from your credit towards pay, as well as the reduced credit towards pay for short sector flights (no longer 3.5hrs for MUC BAH etc) still means a pay cut. So far I have not heard of any other group of employees within the EK group taking a pay cut. It is all well and good for people like Desert Knight to say we should take in on the chin and stop complaining, but I wonder what he would think if it was him taking the cut to fund the bigger profit, while no one else in the company has to.
DON.
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Guys,
Check Six is correct,we must open a DIALOGUE with Capt S,Im sure he wrote that letter,hes prepared to reasonI believe,it was conciliatory,in its tone,Ive not seen that lately.
Perhaps,the measures introduced were already in the "pipeline",before he joined??
If we ALL write an email/letter,politely,professionally and without venting anger,he will surely recognise,the level of concern,and he will have to address it,already this has happened,with DH??
My concern is Standby,and not being credited,fairly,I will lose all overtime this month,under the new system as I have reserve duties,and leave.Yet Im doing almost 100 hrs.
IF,and it remains IF,ADs and STBY are used to "pad" out,then thats bad news.Lets give our new boss a chance,but if no one complains,how can he react???
QB
Check Six is correct,we must open a DIALOGUE with Capt S,Im sure he wrote that letter,hes prepared to reasonI believe,it was conciliatory,in its tone,Ive not seen that lately.
Perhaps,the measures introduced were already in the "pipeline",before he joined??
If we ALL write an email/letter,politely,professionally and without venting anger,he will surely recognise,the level of concern,and he will have to address it,already this has happened,with DH??
My concern is Standby,and not being credited,fairly,I will lose all overtime this month,under the new system as I have reserve duties,and leave.Yet Im doing almost 100 hrs.
IF,and it remains IF,ADs and STBY are used to "pad" out,then thats bad news.Lets give our new boss a chance,but if no one complains,how can he react???
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At last, the discussion is heading in a sensible direction! Glad to see it moving on from the "If they screw me, I'm gonna screw everyone" mentality.
Despite what many of you might think, I do not want to see anyone in this company get a raw deal. However I do take exception to colleagues who would suggest that the hard work of others be wasted by deliberate excess fuel burn and such like.
Good luck in your endeavors to reach a sensible compromise.
Despite what many of you might think, I do not want to see anyone in this company get a raw deal. However I do take exception to colleagues who would suggest that the hard work of others be wasted by deliberate excess fuel burn and such like.
Good luck in your endeavors to reach a sensible compromise.