Working a day off in EK

[chinawladi]

RC: Helping under insufficient crewing is nothing more than giving hand to cover up incompetent planning. Good working relationship only function with adequate conditions, otherwise we're paying for some careless jerks.
As it is today, you're simply paying for your loved ones birthday off.......

(by the way: Just read Ed's post on the portal-mail. I'd love to believe that less and less pick up the phone and that this is a desperate measure to still cover all flights. But I'm sure, because it's now Super Ed calling, lots of Captain Americas in spe will hit the keys...........)

[critical winge]

Would like to add that crewing do a GREAT JOB with limited resources, well done, this is not a ploy to make your lives harder, far from it.
I wouldn't want to do your job with as few resources as we have in our job>
UPLOCK, really like the pic. For those in the know THAT IS BM Aka Captain America without a doubt. AWESOME pic. For those not in the know, look at previous threads to see the UNMASKED BM.

[harry the cod]

Zomp

You are correct. The 203 had no Captains until only several hours before with one of the skippers coming onto this straight after sick leave. So desperate are they that crewing agreed to a week off after the trip.

Okay, I will put up my hand and admit that I have worked on a day off before. Once, last year and that's been it. I did not, however, negotiate 7 days off after as I know that's screwing my mates. When people do things like that, they may well be helping short term but it's not until 'flagship' flights such as EK203 remain grounded that the Company will recruit the correct number of Pilots. Working on your day off and stating terms will, without doubt, involve roster changes for others and has a knock on effect which can last for days.

I'm NOT militant and want the best for Emirates BUT, it really is time for the management to get a grip and employ more Pilots. To do that involves offering salaries that will attract. When the Company appears to be focused as it is on more profit and productivity, it makes you wonder if the guys at the very top are being fed the truth. Current sham regarding upgrades that DON'T comply with the holy grail that is the FOM reflects the face saving that is crippling this Company.

Harry

[IronWalt]

The company pays you good money and provides good equipment and tools to help them make the business go forward. Sometimes people screw up in scheduling. Help them out people. It is not a sin to help out the people who provide you a salary and way of living. Quit thinking about yourselves all the time.

And I am speaking about any normally well run company. It is a BUSINESS. Not your personal flying club. Even though it seems like it sometimes.

Nuff said,

Walt

[Yossarian]

Good grief, Walt! You related to BM?

[IronWalt]

No I just remember when I had work ethic that got wittled down by working for the worst carrier here in the US and a union that did nothing for us. I am regaining that work ethic. It is what makes your career go forward.

[gj18457]

Originally Posted by IronWalt

No I just remember when I had work ethic that got wittled down by working for the worst carrier here in the US and a union that did nothing for us. I am regaining that work ethic. It is what makes your career go forward.

It was you pathetic yanks that put yourselves in the situation you now find yourselves in.Dont come to our neck of the woods with your HMG views.You are not welcome and never will be.

[Schnowzer]

Walt,

Scheduling have not screwed up! A systematic decisions was taken 3 years ago that it was cheaper to work the pilots to maximum hours in overtime than to employ more pilots. Sadly, they forgot that if you work people harder, on the type of flying we do, they get fatigued or sick.

Then the real rub, they had decided not to budget for long term sickness because it made the numbers look better. Now they are being caught with their pants down and are asking scheduling and the crews to fix it. 4 years ago guys would have helped out in a heartbeat. Now, because of the credit rule changes (training etc not counting for productivity) few people feel they have an incentive to help.

If they help they do not get paid for it quite often. A full months block in the remaining 2 weeks of a month without triggering overtime seems not to be uncommon. More importantly it allows the guy in charge of pilot resourcing to prove that he hasn't really screwed the pooch. Worse still, some of the guys that do help, ask scheduling to promise the earth for the swap and the knock on effect is that they screw their buddies.

[IXNAT]

Originally Posted by gj18457

It was you pathetic yanks that put yourselves in the situation you now find yourselves in.Dont come to our neck of the woods with your HMG views.You are not welcome and never will be.

Real Nice Alice. Let's see it was the pilots' fault that Braniff, Eastern, Ozark, TWA, People's Express, Continental, America West, United, Delta, Northwestern and more have either disappeared or entered into bankruptcy. At one point some of these were the most profitable in the world, but it was all the pilots' fault and especially because they were US pilots. So to follow your logic, these airlines' difficulties were the fault of the pilots, and if your logic continues to hold, perhaps you should be happy with the way management at EK is treating you, mismanaging staffing, covering up shortfalls in training, bringing in DECs. That way you will not have to go back to the little avaition world you came from and you can continue to play with the big boys in your shiney new jet. So be happy, the only way an airline can fail is by the pilots demanding what is fair and equitable, by your logic. So, if you don't want to be out a job and have to go back to your little homeland aviation world, you had better fly overtime, be happy with your lot, not complain about a 7% pay raise, fly over 900 hours a year, be happy that your upgrade will be delayed because some DECs come in on top of you. Or you might just be happy flying that ATR72.
IXNAT

[Fart Master]

whoop whoop BM alert

[gatvol2006]

WALT You are obviously one of the outcasts from the US, and most probably a DC as well. You have obviously not been through the EK mill. I'll give you a year or 2 and your tune will be changed, hang in the positive bro, Americans for money (otherwise you would'nt be here?!!)

[IronWalt]

Ummmmm,

Is it really as bad as that. Maybe I have been out of the game a little too long. I got screwed by a pathetic give away union that has allowed RJs to take all of our mainline flying thus screwing me out of recall so far. They have also given away our retirement and a host of other things.

I have been out of the cockpit for 3 years on furlough and maybe I have taken a too pollyanna view.

In my current job we either serve the client or we do not eat. That is the other extreme. And I am probably bringing it back with me to the cockpit.

[Alphaprot]

Walt the difference is
Record profits every year
More work every year, now up to and over the legal 900 hour limit
Less time off every year
Less communication by management every year
Rampant inflation every year
Cost of rental housing up 31% this year according to papers
Reduction in T&C's every year
Reduction in equivalent salary every year
Did I mention the record profits every year
Just as I have no idea what you are going through, neither do you have a clue what is going on here. Apples with apples, mate

[IronWalt]

What has REALLY screwed up the market are these RJ Jet Weenies. I am an experienced major carrrier guy with 10K hours and almost every type rating in the fleet. And because of these 20 something RJ kiddies, the employers think we should all work 20K USD a year and no benes.

That is one reason I have sat out

[click]

For whatever it's worth, we had a situation at Cheesy Airlines here in 2004 similar to what you guys are going through...however it was only for about a year and a half. The knock off effects are still being felt through the system now. What we learned...money isn't everything and you can't maintain this tempo indefinitely without side effects....including family life. We had one guy down for over a year with a near cardiac, now he's got a stent. Another sim instructor in hospital because of too many hours in the box being scheduled and no replacement, he went until he dropped. Off flying work for six months. It just ain't worth it. Now that we are back to normal and the guys are spending more time at home, all of a sudden, we've got a miniature baby boom. Lots of us are pushing baby carriages . And lots of us are also looking for other jobs, things are looking a little dicey with this fast and convoluted expansion. might have to go elsewhere to make a living but looking at all the contributions gives me the heeby jeebies and a wilting willy.

[tarjet fixated]

Click...Prague?CSA?I guess money is nothing in your case.....
http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/fact...j2x2r85zcav48y

[OLD MAN]

Offdays

Hello!
International definition regarding a day off: a day off, no one is requried to work. . We can fullfill our contract and that is what we are paid for. Off days is ours and nobody can touch them.
You can find the definition on manyweb sites. Mean while what are we doing, trying to help the company as much possible. and we are loosing, while companynisnaeachinw hen things(results)shows negative
I have no further commemts

[Alphaprot]

Tough about the record profits and not really being compensated about it.

That is the difference, if we were hemorrhaging money, then cuts and errosion of package could be understood, but we ain't. Its pure pharking Greed

[gj18457]

Alice Alice who the F*** is Alice.Sorry just reminded me of a song I used to sing while I was flying my ATR .Gee ixnat I dont recall you superstars of aviation complaining about your mismanagement when you used to get paid twice as much as anyone ellse.Whats happened ? Now you are in the middle east for 5 minutes and your an expert on how not to run a company and tell the rest of us how lucky we are.Now I'll just toddle of to my own little world back in GA.Where's my 401k statement.Shout as loud as you like on PPRUNE because in the real world nobody's listening.

[IXNAT]

Originally Posted by gj18457

Alice Alice who the F*** is Alice.Sorry just reminded me of a song I used to sing while I was flying my ATR .Gee ixnat I dont recall you superstars of aviation complaining about your mismanagement when you used to get paid twice as much as anyone ellse.Whats happened ? Now you are in the middle east for 5 minutes and your an expert on how not to run a company and tell the rest of us how lucky we are.Now I'll just toddle of to my own little world back in GA.Where's my 401k statement.Shout as loud as you like on PPRUNE because in the real world nobody's listening.

Just a term of endearment, there Alice. If you would get your head out of your third brown eye, then you would realize that the pilots of most of the majors in the US have been complaining about mismanegemnt for years. But probably in your little world of aviation you didn't pay much attention. My point is that the same complaints you have at EK are the same complaints that most of the US pilots have complained about for years. Never said I was an expert at how to run your company, just you are complaining about what you said ruined US aviation. Not shouting, just don't talk out of both sides of your face about an aviation world in the US you have no clue about. And if you did come from that US aviation world, and making the statements you did how the pilots ruined the companies, you are a bigger idiot than you previous statements proves you are.

IXNAT