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ruserious you can't be serious! You mean it's ok that if a highly experienced manager who is found unsuitable for the job he has held for a number of years, is being "removed" from his post to be given a similar position and grade in a field he might know next to nothing about? How does that make him or her a "better" manager? This is just another mess EK created by shooting from the hip, as usual. Sad, very sad indeed...
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nixisfix, I don't think you will find I said or alluded to anything like that. I do not think moving them elsewhere is a good idea.
These managers were promoted way beyond their abilities, this company has a habit of doing that. The love for seniority and cultural sensitivity, as opposed to competence will be its downfall.
Some of our most talented and qualified employees in this company are the most junior, but they are always treated as a threat by the senior incompetents. One of the many reasons why so many good staff leave.
These managers were promoted way beyond their abilities, this company has a habit of doing that. The love for seniority and cultural sensitivity, as opposed to competence will be its downfall.
Some of our most talented and qualified employees in this company are the most junior, but they are always treated as a threat by the senior incompetents. One of the many reasons why so many good staff leave.
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ruserious you're right. Also the promotion is based on how many sickness you have. So many freak here in the company who never called sick keep flying even when their ears are blcked and spread all the germs and automatically become the company's favourite to be promoted. Sadly, not all of them capable/suitable for the promotion. Just because they never call sick. That is sad... There are more people who actually capable/more fit for the promotion, but one thing led to another they were realy sick, but as usual the company don't care about it. Demotivated it is.
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Hello Boys and girlz, I am back only this time I am ready.
Sorry I was away this 10 day around the world jobbie did get the best of me couldn't focus on the PC during the whole layover.
Mind you, we went out and had a laugh and you know what, the F/D decided to stay in and do their own thing!
Yea! Party for the crew! And all the lebo stewards came out we met the crew that was allready en place and we had a ball!
Sorry guys but if you can't make it say so and don't brag about it on pprune saying how wonderfull flight deck are and how terrible lebo stewies are. I mean really if you can't do it just say so and don't give us this BS about no crew come out, poor little old me I wish I was back in Dubai in my ferrari (or porsche) cr@p!
Arrivedecci!
Scoprata testa di mingia!
Sorry I was away this 10 day around the world jobbie did get the best of me couldn't focus on the PC during the whole layover.
Mind you, we went out and had a laugh and you know what, the F/D decided to stay in and do their own thing!
Yea! Party for the crew! And all the lebo stewards came out we met the crew that was allready en place and we had a ball!
Sorry guys but if you can't make it say so and don't brag about it on pprune saying how wonderfull flight deck are and how terrible lebo stewies are. I mean really if you can't do it just say so and don't give us this BS about no crew come out, poor little old me I wish I was back in Dubai in my ferrari (or porsche) cr@p!
Arrivedecci!
Scoprata testa di mingia!
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A totally irrelevant post. As most readers will know, on SOME layovers, some of the crew come out. On SOME layovers, none of the crew come out. On SOME layovers no one goes out and on SOME layovers none of the flight deck go out.
Maybe on your particular flight, the flight deck were very tired having had tough rosters, or maybe they did not actually want to spend any time with you. After all, the maturity displayed from your last post would surely keep even the most childish of pilots away.
Or probably more realistically, there weren't any great looking girls...
Now how's that for honesty?
Maybe on your particular flight, the flight deck were very tired having had tough rosters, or maybe they did not actually want to spend any time with you. After all, the maturity displayed from your last post would surely keep even the most childish of pilots away.
Or probably more realistically, there weren't any great looking girls...
Now how's that for honesty?
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Oblaspop missed all the wonder boys while I was away!
They do say that distance makes the heart grow fonder.
And secur ID for once please sit still, the world does not revolve around F/D, the girls were gr8 as a matter of fact they had a few things to say about you lot and none of it was complimenting. apart from a few who stand out of course.
Ta
They do say that distance makes the heart grow fonder.
And secur ID for once please sit still, the world does not revolve around F/D, the girls were gr8 as a matter of fact they had a few things to say about you lot and none of it was complimenting. apart from a few who stand out of course.
Ta
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Cheesy Sleezy Leba Neezy.
I'm guessing you're one of the pimply slick-backs who tries too hard and blows your bolt as soon as you walk in and see a blondes in the briefing room.
Even the English girls seem to have woken up to the greesy swarthy Med types these days. You'll have to come up with some new lines about the stars in their eyes or maybe stick with your own ugly hairy women if they'll have you.
We had a successful night in Sydney last week. Managed to get 6 of the girls out to a private party a local lad knew about and convinced the two lecherous lebs that no one was going out!!
Classic!!!
I'm guessing you're one of the pimply slick-backs who tries too hard and blows your bolt as soon as you walk in and see a blondes in the briefing room.
Even the English girls seem to have woken up to the greesy swarthy Med types these days. You'll have to come up with some new lines about the stars in their eyes or maybe stick with your own ugly hairy women if they'll have you.
We had a successful night in Sydney last week. Managed to get 6 of the girls out to a private party a local lad knew about and convinced the two lecherous lebs that no one was going out!!
Classic!!!
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2nd hand material mate just in case you didn't know. But it's ok you would not know the difference anyway particularly from where you come from, your women are so loose and you are used to it.
thanks for looking after them while we were out, they did say they enjoyed the party and for once they were treated to a drink.
Not so sure about eating cheese and onion and chip botties in singapore though, should try to be more creative next time and maybe only maybe you might get a little shine.
take care desert whine, don't worry, we are watching over you and we will make sure you don't get any while we are here!
Byyyyyyye!
thanks for looking after them while we were out, they did say they enjoyed the party and for once they were treated to a drink.
Not so sure about eating cheese and onion and chip botties in singapore though, should try to be more creative next time and maybe only maybe you might get a little shine.
take care desert whine, don't worry, we are watching over you and we will make sure you don't get any while we are here!
Byyyyyyye!
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Don't be too despondent, cheese-boy. There are always new arrivals here although I'm told the supply of westerners is drying up rapidly.
Seems the word is spreading and chicks from UK, W. Europe, Aust, etc are less and less interested in coming here. Probably a lot of bad press in general leaking out so who would blame them but I have no doubt the image given by sleazy, lazy, greasy guys like you has contributed.
You and your mates tried SO HARD that you've helped convince women that living here is a less than pleasant experience. The amazing thing is you can never see it. Both the crew AND the pilots laugh about it (when they can) and you have absolutely no idea. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
Don't spend ALL your money on clothes and hair-gel. Save something for a new western personality...
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA.........
What a t**t........
Seems the word is spreading and chicks from UK, W. Europe, Aust, etc are less and less interested in coming here. Probably a lot of bad press in general leaking out so who would blame them but I have no doubt the image given by sleazy, lazy, greasy guys like you has contributed.
You and your mates tried SO HARD that you've helped convince women that living here is a less than pleasant experience. The amazing thing is you can never see it. Both the crew AND the pilots laugh about it (when they can) and you have absolutely no idea. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
Don't spend ALL your money on clothes and hair-gel. Save something for a new western personality...
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA.........
What a t**t........
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Well you said it yourself:
It would not happpen to be because of the low salaries F/D are onto these days, would it?
Don't need to spend much on clothes and hair gel, my cousin has a clothes shop in Deira, you know that part of town you daren't peek your nose at for fear of being eaten up by the pakies; my other cousin has a gent's salon, but I bet at 50 bob a cut its too dear for a little pilot like you. Always talk and no action.
Anyway got to go for lunch, my auntie has made Mlokhiya, bet you don't know what that is either considering the only lebanese thing you probably had was a shawarma.
Have you found yourself a russian wife? I hear a lot of you F/D go fishing at the cyclone these days out of despair!
Seems the word is spreading and chicks from UK, W. Europe, Aust, etc are less and less interested in coming here.
Don't need to spend much on clothes and hair gel, my cousin has a clothes shop in Deira, you know that part of town you daren't peek your nose at for fear of being eaten up by the pakies; my other cousin has a gent's salon, but I bet at 50 bob a cut its too dear for a little pilot like you. Always talk and no action.
Anyway got to go for lunch, my auntie has made Mlokhiya, bet you don't know what that is either considering the only lebanese thing you probably had was a shawarma.
Have you found yourself a russian wife? I hear a lot of you F/D go fishing at the cyclone these days out of despair!
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Once again this topic is receiving lots of posts and once again for the wrong reasons. Please don't give this person the platform he desires to highlight his over inflated ego and his poor English ( spelling and grammar!) Don't rise to the bait. No matter how tempting it is! 
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Seaman staynes I could not have said it better.
Apart from the direction this thread may take at times thanks to my poor English grammar; what you state is I beleive, the root cause of the problem.
Too many managers not willing to forego the glory of their post when things go right and readily glad to blame others when they are going wrong.
Somehow, and this has nothing to do with the qualities of my English, it seems to me that overall no one cares! Whether it be MF our sanctified OBE to all levels below the concern of EK managers seems to be about pushing papers and not going to the forefront of the actual problems.
This is the result of years of neglect in the processes used to select Managers to be, on the basis not of how best they fit company policies and development, but rather on their nodding ability.
What is yet more surprising about the recent firings, is that there are some notorious do nothings and worse probably do worsers like the Palestinian lot who are still seated happily behind their desks; this despite a history of poor management skills, interventionism (Wasta) etc....
Can anyone explain that with due respect to the variable opinions on the subject?
BYMONEK: Ever so sorry for the English, I do apologise! No really dear I do!
Buzz-off if that is the only thing you found in the substance of the posts, you are a sad case of get-homitis! Only one opinion counts: Yours! Typical of the stick managers everyone loves to call drivers!
The saying goes: Thy servants wait while their master Baits!
Apart from the direction this thread may take at times thanks to my poor English grammar; what you state is I beleive, the root cause of the problem.
Too many managers not willing to forego the glory of their post when things go right and readily glad to blame others when they are going wrong.
Somehow, and this has nothing to do with the qualities of my English, it seems to me that overall no one cares! Whether it be MF our sanctified OBE to all levels below the concern of EK managers seems to be about pushing papers and not going to the forefront of the actual problems.
This is the result of years of neglect in the processes used to select Managers to be, on the basis not of how best they fit company policies and development, but rather on their nodding ability.
What is yet more surprising about the recent firings, is that there are some notorious do nothings and worse probably do worsers like the Palestinian lot who are still seated happily behind their desks; this despite a history of poor management skills, interventionism (Wasta) etc....
Can anyone explain that with due respect to the variable opinions on the subject?
BYMONEK: Ever so sorry for the English, I do apologise! No really dear I do!
Buzz-off if that is the only thing you found in the substance of the posts, you are a sad case of get-homitis! Only one opinion counts: Yours! Typical of the stick managers everyone loves to call drivers!
The saying goes: Thy servants wait while their master Baits!
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A little story from the early days of EK:
The cabin crew had just won an award for best cabin crew in some poll or contest. At the awards ceremony, MF stood up and accepted the award, attributing the results to management's hard work and ground breaking processes, management's ability and management's management etc. etc.. As Richard Branson stood up to accept second place for Virgin's cabin crew, he graciously congratulated Emirates but said that MF had been remiss in not mentioning the people that had actually won the award, the cabin crew. He then congratulated them himself.
This story was told to me so I'm not actually certain that it's true but it does illustrate the mindset here at Emirates.
The cabin crew had just won an award for best cabin crew in some poll or contest. At the awards ceremony, MF stood up and accepted the award, attributing the results to management's hard work and ground breaking processes, management's ability and management's management etc. etc.. As Richard Branson stood up to accept second place for Virgin's cabin crew, he graciously congratulated Emirates but said that MF had been remiss in not mentioning the people that had actually won the award, the cabin crew. He then congratulated them himself.
This story was told to me so I'm not actually certain that it's true but it does illustrate the mindset here at Emirates.
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True story;
It was the Business traveler Award for best cabin crew, when we had to distribute the magazines to the passengers on-board inflight, we used to carry over 150 copies/flight.
EK operated 310's and Virgin was still operating their 74 classics out of LGW, but look at where EK is service wise and look at virgin. A whole world of difference.
I won't even mention the hosties.......
It was the Business traveler Award for best cabin crew, when we had to distribute the magazines to the passengers on-board inflight, we used to carry over 150 copies/flight.
EK operated 310's and Virgin was still operating their 74 classics out of LGW, but look at where EK is service wise and look at virgin. A whole world of difference.
I won't even mention the hosties.......
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Tiramisu, you're winding us up, aren't you? You're not an 'Easter Med' type at all, are you! You're command of English suddenly gets better when you want to discuss a serious topic. Well done though on getting a few people wound up!
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Cheese can't quite decide whether he's Lebbo or Greek. I've suspected for a while that he's neither and not a hosty either.
Just another bored pilot but it's amusing anyway and lets people get some grief off their chests.... and no one gets hurt - except Leb reputation!!
Classic!
Just another bored pilot but it's amusing anyway and lets people get some grief off their chests.... and no one gets hurt - except Leb reputation!!
Classic!
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EK policy to constantly replace crew
Which is why they dont care when good, mature, and experienced crew resign!
It makes sense, get em in young, keep em fresh, and once they are worn out and zapped a bit of initial enthusiam, put them out to pasture. Its very sexist, but ruthlessly logical from a business point of view. After 2 years, a big majority of crew are no longer brighte eyed and bushytailed about the job, in faxt they are jaded, so just keep the new ones coming in is one way to ensure customers are greeted with a smiling crew- not really possible if you have worked there for a long time!
As for MJ-she was a lovely lady, im surprised, but her hubby was always a ratbag.....TW was trouble, and is the notorious SN still there, god he made many a crews life a nightmare!!!
It makes sense, get em in young, keep em fresh, and once they are worn out and zapped a bit of initial enthusiam, put them out to pasture. Its very sexist, but ruthlessly logical from a business point of view. After 2 years, a big majority of crew are no longer brighte eyed and bushytailed about the job, in faxt they are jaded, so just keep the new ones coming in is one way to ensure customers are greeted with a smiling crew- not really possible if you have worked there for a long time!
As for MJ-she was a lovely lady, im surprised, but her hubby was always a ratbag.....TW was trouble, and is the notorious SN still there, god he made many a crews life a nightmare!!!