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i have an interview with ctc in a couple of weeks time for their cadets program. as i've nothing to secure a loan against, this seems to be my only hope of becoming a pilot so i'm really keen to do well.
my problem is this: i've absolutely no flying experience, and very little knowledge about the industry at all. i'm trying to expand my knowledge by reading lots of threads on this forum and other aviation based websites. however, it's really hard to understand a lot of what is being written. to someone completely inexperienced in this industry, a lot of the vocabulary used is really confusing. simple things, like certain acronyms keep getting mentioned, and i have way of finding out what they stand for
does anybody know of any way that i can help myself to understand what's being talked about? is there perhaps a website that can help explain the basics of the industry and perhaps even give me decriptions of what certain words mean?
i have an interview with ctc in a couple of weeks time for their cadets program. as i've nothing to secure a loan against, this seems to be my only hope of becoming a pilot so i'm really keen to do well.
my problem is this: i've absolutely no flying experience, and very little knowledge about the industry at all. i'm trying to expand my knowledge by reading lots of threads on this forum and other aviation based websites. however, it's really hard to understand a lot of what is being written. to someone completely inexperienced in this industry, a lot of the vocabulary used is really confusing. simple things, like certain acronyms keep getting mentioned, and i have way of finding out what they stand for
does anybody know of any way that i can help myself to understand what's being talked about? is there perhaps a website that can help explain the basics of the industry and perhaps even give me decriptions of what certain words mean?
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i've absolutely no flying experience, and very little knowledge about the industry at all
I need to ask why you didn't spend the time to learn about this industry before applying for the training scheme. Do you really know what your doing? Would you apply for an actors job whilst knowing that you're a shy git?
Go and have a few trial flying lessons (they cost £150 a shot). Brush up on your industry knowledge and about the airlines CTC work with because you will be quizzed at stage 3.
does anybody know of any way that i can help myself to understand what's being talked about?
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i've always wanted to do this more than anything. i'd never taken any lessons because i was always been under the impression that it was only a career open to wealthy people, or at least, that you or your family had to be homeowners. i'd also read that a lot of sposorship schemes didn't stay open for that long. perhaps i was little paranoid to think that the opportunity to apply wouldn't be around that long. i'm certain about my commitment, like i say, i've always wanted this. as this is my only way of meeting my ambition, there was little point in having lessons as they would've been a waste of time had i not passed phase 2.
i'll definitely have a lesson or two before phase 3. not because i doubt my ambition, but because it will aid my ability to confidently answer the questions i'll be asked in my interview.
i think i may see if i can push my interview back an extra week or two though so i can put some more work into preparing
i'll definitely have a lesson or two before phase 3. not because i doubt my ambition, but because it will aid my ability to confidently answer the questions i'll be asked in my interview.
i think i may see if i can push my interview back an extra week or two though so i can put some more work into preparing
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Eqinox,
You need to at least have a trial flight. Do you get airsick?? You will not know until you try? Sounds silly but it happens!!
Im a little concerned about you saying you have no knowledge of the industry at all. From your post your age shows 23. I would have thought that was more than enough time to have looked in to your life long ambition and soak up a fair amount of knowledge.
Were you in the Air Cadets? That would have gave you an insight in to aviation and gave you the opportunity to try flying out.
To be in avaition you have got to live, breath, and sleep it! Its got to flow in your veins! I say this because of the amount of work required and the money you have to borrow, and the amount of time and dedication it takes. It literally takes over your life especially in training. The ATPL exams are an example, nasty things, but they are more of a test of determination than knowledge, can you dedicate all day and all evening to study for exmaple, even when your knackard after a days work?
You will be constantly broke, have a crap car whilst your mates are mincing about in BMW;s and no social life as your always be in studying.
Just a few bits of food for thought
Best of luck
Now, wheres those manuals!!!
You need to at least have a trial flight. Do you get airsick?? You will not know until you try? Sounds silly but it happens!!
Im a little concerned about you saying you have no knowledge of the industry at all. From your post your age shows 23. I would have thought that was more than enough time to have looked in to your life long ambition and soak up a fair amount of knowledge.
Were you in the Air Cadets? That would have gave you an insight in to aviation and gave you the opportunity to try flying out.
To be in avaition you have got to live, breath, and sleep it! Its got to flow in your veins! I say this because of the amount of work required and the money you have to borrow, and the amount of time and dedication it takes. It literally takes over your life especially in training. The ATPL exams are an example, nasty things, but they are more of a test of determination than knowledge, can you dedicate all day and all evening to study for exmaple, even when your knackard after a days work?
You will be constantly broke, have a crap car whilst your mates are mincing about in BMW;s and no social life as your always be in studying.
Just a few bits of food for thought
Best of luck
Now, wheres those manuals!!!
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thing is, when i was about 14, i had a careers interview, i said i wanted to be a pilot, they said "pick something realistic", and that only very wealthy people could become pilots. i looked into the matter a little, and it seemed true. i only discovered the CTC course about 6 months ago, so obviously i had to give it a go. i know i'd make a fantastic pilot too. my hand eye co-ordination andf spacial awareness are phenomenal. i've built this up through years of gaming tournaments (no.1 in the world at pro evo last year, no.1 in th uk at goldeneye a while back, and in the top 10 for pgr3).
like i say, i have no experience. no air cadets or anything. i will definitely have a flying lesson before my next phase, but again, not to prove to myself that it's something i want to do. i know how much i want to do it. it's something i could do well, and something i know i'd enjoy. i'm sure there's a reason that CTC don't ask that their applicants have any experience, and that's becuase they want the people mwith the raw ability, and i do believe i have that.
overall, i know it's something i really waqnt to do. i've set my mind on it, and i'll get there in the end. enveryone was inexperienced at some point. what are the possibilities for someone like me if i don't get accepted for the CTC course? it's hard making sense of this forum when you're not familiar with the lexis
like i say, i have no experience. no air cadets or anything. i will definitely have a flying lesson before my next phase, but again, not to prove to myself that it's something i want to do. i know how much i want to do it. it's something i could do well, and something i know i'd enjoy. i'm sure there's a reason that CTC don't ask that their applicants have any experience, and that's becuase they want the people mwith the raw ability, and i do believe i have that.
overall, i know it's something i really waqnt to do. i've set my mind on it, and i'll get there in the end. enveryone was inexperienced at some point. what are the possibilities for someone like me if i don't get accepted for the CTC course? it's hard making sense of this forum when you're not familiar with the lexis
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Hi equinix_code...
I find it amazing that you were put off by some career interview, and the fact the it cost a lot of money...
I must emphasise that far from all in this business have been funded by their parents etc... Some people work hard to earn enough money, to be able borrow in the bank, other do their training bit by bit, while they work doing their training... Becoming a pilot is all about determination...
A quick search on google...
http://www.casa.gov.au/rules/abbrev.htm
http://www.aerofiles.com/glossary.html
http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationabbrevsandacros.html
http://www.avscholars.com/AvScholars...x/acronyms.htm
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I find it amazing that you were put off by some career interview, and the fact the it cost a lot of money...
I must emphasise that far from all in this business have been funded by their parents etc... Some people work hard to earn enough money, to be able borrow in the bank, other do their training bit by bit, while they work doing their training... Becoming a pilot is all about determination...
A quick search on google...
http://www.casa.gov.au/rules/abbrev.htm
http://www.aerofiles.com/glossary.html
http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationabbrevsandacros.html
http://www.avscholars.com/AvScholars...x/acronyms.htm
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One of the questions you WILL be asked for sure is what are your plans if you don't get the sponsorship....it's a test of your determination. You better have a good story
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thanks for the links.
paying your way through bit by bit is one area i'm not completely failiar with, though it's certainly something i would do if possible, or if i don't get accepted to the ctc course. if you don't mind me asking, what sort of salary were you on when you payed your way through training? after reading these forums, it seems that hard work and determination are not enough to guarantee you a job when you qualify, which is a concern.
ideally, i'd want to get on an integrated course. hsbc would only give me 25,000 max. does anyone know if another unsecured loan could be taken from another bank to pay for training.
i admit that i don't know much about the industry, and i regret not persuing this earlier in my life. but everyone has to start somewhere, and i can't turn back time. i'm determined to give myself the best possibility of being accepted from where i am now, which is why i'm putting in as much work as possible to try and catch up
paying your way through bit by bit is one area i'm not completely failiar with, though it's certainly something i would do if possible, or if i don't get accepted to the ctc course. if you don't mind me asking, what sort of salary were you on when you payed your way through training? after reading these forums, it seems that hard work and determination are not enough to guarantee you a job when you qualify, which is a concern.
ideally, i'd want to get on an integrated course. hsbc would only give me 25,000 max. does anyone know if another unsecured loan could be taken from another bank to pay for training.
i admit that i don't know much about the industry, and i regret not persuing this earlier in my life. but everyone has to start somewhere, and i can't turn back time. i'm determined to give myself the best possibility of being accepted from where i am now, which is why i'm putting in as much work as possible to try and catch up
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How can you sort out your loan/finance beforehand?
what bank are going to arrange finance with somone on the basis they may get onto a certain flying scheme?
And as the unsecured loan/bond is only available to people who are on the ctc surely they aren't going to sort it out with you until you are accepted onto that, it would be a waste of both yours and their time if they had to arrange a loan with every person who applied
what bank are going to arrange finance with somone on the basis they may get onto a certain flying scheme?
And as the unsecured loan/bond is only available to people who are on the ctc surely they aren't going to sort it out with you until you are accepted onto that, it would be a waste of both yours and their time if they had to arrange a loan with every person who applied
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And as the unsecured loan/bond is only available to people who are on the ctc surely they aren't going to sort it out with you until you are accepted onto that, it would be a waste of both yours and their time if they had to arrange a loan with every person who applied
I think it would be a very wise thing to pay your local bank a visit and present them with a budget, to see if it's possible to get a loan or not, and if not try, another bank... It will only take 15min to find out whether or not it's possible...
Why go through a screening and building up your hope, just to find out that you can't finance the scheme...
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equinox_code: The funding for CTC is a locally administered Professional Studies Loan from HSBC in Hythe. It is available to any successful applicant with a suitable credit score. This is explained at phase 2 and, I'm fairly certain, at least mentioned on the CTC site.
As you've been to phase 2, no doubt you are genned up on this now.
As you've been to phase 2, no doubt you are genned up on this now.
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Jargon and what it's about
Hi Equinox
Like you I know that flying is what I want to do-and CTC is an excellent way to go if you can meet the standards: best of luck to you!
For the jargon you can read books and manuals and that will help. I learnt a lot from the ITVV Cockpit video series. They are about £25 and if you watch one or two of them you will soon find you know a fair bit about the jargon as well as what pilots actually do during a flight, what they are looking for on the instruments/paperwork and all manner of good stuff.
If you have time before the interview they might just be well worth the investment.
Like you I know that flying is what I want to do-and CTC is an excellent way to go if you can meet the standards: best of luck to you!
For the jargon you can read books and manuals and that will help. I learnt a lot from the ITVV Cockpit video series. They are about £25 and if you watch one or two of them you will soon find you know a fair bit about the jargon as well as what pilots actually do during a flight, what they are looking for on the instruments/paperwork and all manner of good stuff.
If you have time before the interview they might just be well worth the investment.
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in the same boat...kind of
Hi there,
like Equinox i am in a similar situation however, i have not yet applied for any sponsorships. I was an Air Cadet for 2 years and have completed at least 13 hours of flight training in a light aricraft to the level where i was able to fly the plane solo. one of my proudest momets of my life. i have also flown in an airline flight training simulator for a 737 giving more of a taste for anting a career as a pilot.
i am looking for advice in continuing flying training, as a graduate i have little money and nothing of value to secure for a loan. I am a dedicated person and would value any help given towards achieving my goal. the CTC i know offer low houred pilot training sponsorships. so if anyone can give me some pointers where to start looking your help is greatly appreciated
Many thanks
like Equinox i am in a similar situation however, i have not yet applied for any sponsorships. I was an Air Cadet for 2 years and have completed at least 13 hours of flight training in a light aricraft to the level where i was able to fly the plane solo. one of my proudest momets of my life. i have also flown in an airline flight training simulator for a 737 giving more of a taste for anting a career as a pilot.
i am looking for advice in continuing flying training, as a graduate i have little money and nothing of value to secure for a loan. I am a dedicated person and would value any help given towards achieving my goal. the CTC i know offer low houred pilot training sponsorships. so if anyone can give me some pointers where to start looking your help is greatly appreciated
Many thanks
