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I think the point here, is that TheBeak went into the OAA course, and things haven't worked out as planned - this doesn't mean things won't in the future. TheBeak, some years later is now telling people not to make the mistakes he made, or at least, understand what you are doing when signing up for OAA/CTC/Cabair etc...
I don't disagree that TheBeaks comments can sometimes come across as repetitive and negative, but really, credibility on an internet forum? Does it exist?
However, there is nothing wrong in repeatedly telling people not to self fund type ratings and line training !
Now, maybe back to the thread anyone?
I don't disagree that TheBeaks comments can sometimes come across as repetitive and negative, but really, credibility on an internet forum? Does it exist?
However, there is nothing wrong in repeatedly telling people not to self fund type ratings and line training !
Now, maybe back to the thread anyone?
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It's become very hostile in here - more than the normal banter.
Although I'm not looking to enter RYR or a Brookfield contract, I do watch this thread as a source of information. I'm not defending TheBeak, but can we return to the subject; and not dwell on a RYR/Brook/Easy/CTC discussion?
What are the current intake dates? numbers? pass rates? new/bases? etc... etc...
Although I'm not looking to enter RYR or a Brookfield contract, I do watch this thread as a source of information. I'm not defending TheBeak, but can we return to the subject; and not dwell on a RYR/Brook/Easy/CTC discussion?
What are the current intake dates? numbers? pass rates? new/bases? etc... etc...
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Everyone should just ignore beak.
Everyone should refuse to fly until they have their type training provided, they are paid appropriately and they are given a permenant contract. If they needed you they'd commit to you and pay for you.
I am not trying to wind people up, I am giving the best advice I can, based upon my very real experiences.
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Everyone should refuse to fly until they have their type training provided, they are paid appropriately and they are given a permenant contract. If they needed you they'd commit to you and pay for you.
Ryanair TRs have been going for sometime now and will continue as long as they need staff(they wont just keep putting people through them, they froze them last year remember).
I genuinely dont believe that ryanair is the problem whatsover, looking over on the T+c's forum it would seem many out there believe EZY to be a big problem. I for one agree with them, Flexicrew and CTC is an utter disgrace and i blame them for the main decline in T's+C's. I see they are being offered work as CC now! Wont be long before they are asked to clean and Deice A/C's as well!
Brookfields been going a fair while, granted the % of BRK's against employees in the company has risen.
Lets not forget those companies like ATP that do that outrageous scheme with BMI whereby your paying around £150 per hour to fly passengers!!!! Any one paying for line training deserves to be shot in my opinion!
I fully understand your frustrating at having jet time and seeing lots of newbies slipping into Ryanair, but its not going to change. SSTRS have been around for decades, its these companies that have pushed it one step further are the ones that people need to be put off.
I genuinely wish you all the best and you WILL get back into the air again.
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It's funny reading your post about how you think a Ryanair interview works. Little Jonny this and little Jonny that. What kind of twoddle are you on about? How would you know anything about how things are done at Ryanair? You are just generalising about stuff that you want to believe in! Stop talking bollox! How the hell could anyone take you seriously when you can't even put a grammatically correct sentence together?
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Just read a couple of posts on the previous page and wanted to share my opinion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone getting financial help from their parents whether it be a security on a loan of even better, cash.
Some people are just luckier than others and it really isn't nice for people to envy.
Finally, as your probably thinking which category I fall in, I am one of the lucky few in the industry who has full financial and welfare supprt from his parents. I do not at all take this for granted and believe to be blessed by God and very very lucky.
You have two choice:
1. work hard and pay for it yourself.
2. have it paid for you if your parents are happy to do so.
Both options are morally and ethically right.
Some people are just luckier than others and it really isn't nice for people to envy.
Finally, as your probably thinking which category I fall in, I am one of the lucky few in the industry who has full financial and welfare supprt from his parents. I do not at all take this for granted and believe to be blessed by God and very very lucky.
You have two choice:
1. work hard and pay for it yourself.
2. have it paid for you if your parents are happy to do so.
Both options are morally and ethically right.
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Its amazing you can always spot when you have struck a nerve.....because mammys boy throws his toys out of the pram.
As for talking trash i really fail to see how, whoever is involved in a ryr interview/sim check and is sponsored by mummy and daddy in their early twenties is unlikely to have had to make their own way in life. Though i assume goaround flaps you are going to prove me wrong? i certainly hope so. Who wants to hear about the life of someone who need mum and dad to flash the cash so that they can make their way in their chosen career. Its hardly inspiring now is it?
Lets run a little survey of the people on this thread
Who has paid for their licences and 737 type rating in ryr without relying on the bank of mum and dad?
To answer your question goaround flaps I know quite a bit about the ryanair selection process. I've had quite a few mates go through it though i have never done it i must admit. Not an indepth knowledge but enough to know that your chequebook plays a significant role in the process, without this you are not going to be successfull. That says it all really doesn't it. You see i have NEVER had to buy a job. On principal i am not sure i could. i dont see why i should need to give my employers 33k and sign up for a pathetic contract just so i get a job.
There is a growing contigent across the industry who are sick of having the bank of mum and dad ruin this career.
As for my grammar and punctuation, its pretty poor i will admit. No worse than yours though my friend. Your missing the apostrophy in "cant". Now how can i be expected to take someone seriously who forgets an apostrophy.
Poor spelling,grammar or punctuation has very little to do with intelligence or the validity of ones opinion. Where as swearing in an attempt i think has alot to do with it, of this i too am also guilty. I'm entitled to mine you are entitled to yours.
PS Cexo I have two jet ratings paid for 2 different employers, my parents did not pay for my flight training, or instructors rating. Trust me i am in no way envious of your parents' helping you. Whatever i get in life i want to know i was the one that got it. I do not want to have to rely on my folks to help me. Again just my opinion
As for talking trash i really fail to see how, whoever is involved in a ryr interview/sim check and is sponsored by mummy and daddy in their early twenties is unlikely to have had to make their own way in life. Though i assume goaround flaps you are going to prove me wrong? i certainly hope so. Who wants to hear about the life of someone who need mum and dad to flash the cash so that they can make their way in their chosen career. Its hardly inspiring now is it?
Lets run a little survey of the people on this thread
Who has paid for their licences and 737 type rating in ryr without relying on the bank of mum and dad?
To answer your question goaround flaps I know quite a bit about the ryanair selection process. I've had quite a few mates go through it though i have never done it i must admit. Not an indepth knowledge but enough to know that your chequebook plays a significant role in the process, without this you are not going to be successfull. That says it all really doesn't it. You see i have NEVER had to buy a job. On principal i am not sure i could. i dont see why i should need to give my employers 33k and sign up for a pathetic contract just so i get a job.
There is a growing contigent across the industry who are sick of having the bank of mum and dad ruin this career.
As for my grammar and punctuation, its pretty poor i will admit. No worse than yours though my friend. Your missing the apostrophy in "cant". Now how can i be expected to take someone seriously who forgets an apostrophy.
Poor spelling,grammar or punctuation has very little to do with intelligence or the validity of ones opinion. Where as swearing in an attempt i think has alot to do with it, of this i too am also guilty. I'm entitled to mine you are entitled to yours.
PS Cexo I have two jet ratings paid for 2 different employers, my parents did not pay for my flight training, or instructors rating. Trust me i am in no way envious of your parents' helping you. Whatever i get in life i want to know i was the one that got it. I do not want to have to rely on my folks to help me. Again just my opinion
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Now you did get me with one mistake. Please do forgive me for that. As for "mummy and daddy", I never got a penny off them for my training or type rating. I paid for the whole lot myself. I have been working for Ryanair for a number of years, and I got to where I am because I worked hard for it. Do you expect me to apologise to you, and all the other unemployed 737 jockeys out there for where I am now?
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Did i ask you to apologise?
Did I say you got money from your parents?
PS It wasn't your only mistake because you missed the apostrophy in "its" also.
Did I say you got money from your parents?
PS It wasn't your only mistake because you missed the apostrophy in "its" also.
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SSTR's have been around for decades
If it weren't for companies such these with a caring approach to aviation this industry would be in a complete mess.
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No you did not ask me to apologise. But I asked the question to you. Do you expect me to? P.S. You don't work for Ryanair and you really know didly squat about them, their interview process or anything worth posting about Ryanair, apart from that they supposedly only employ little Jonnies who are bankrolled by "mummy and daddy". Thats all you have to offer.
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I seem to recall that you are in RYR for 3 years, i looked at your post history. Can i ask why did you pay for a type raing 3 years ago when the job market was at its peak?Was it the only job you could get at the time? Did you sign up to a BRK contract with the jobs market at its peak?if so why?Just curious
To answer your question, do i think you should apologise? It really depends on the terms you are on and how you feel about degrading terms for others. if you got a job three years ago with the market at its peak and found yourself paying for a TR, signing up to a BRK contract with the hopeless terms they offer then i think you have contributed to these crap terms we are faced with today. Again i dont really know enough about your personal circumstances to say whether or not you should apologise. Its really not for me to say. Other than i didnt ever sigh up to such a deal.
As for me knowing diddly squat about ryr and its recruitment let see. I know there is a MCC course in dublin where you pay way over and above the going rate to be placed on the top of the pile cv wise for ryr.
I also know that ryr charge for the sim check and interview about £300 i believe.Imagine that, they rate your skills that highly they want you to pay to be tested! I know the interview involves a few tech questions, then a bit of the hr stuff, then you are asked to specify your 3 base preferences. You then get a call if successfull saying pay the 33k and you do your course in east mids or amsterdam through cae.
On completion of line training you are offered 3 bases and you accept one,you may not be given very long to decide where you end up based. it can be a case of base offer friday morn, decide by lunch time and start there monday. Live the dream!
Pay rates 20 euro till safety pilot is gone, 35 till 750, then 75 euro thereafter approx.
BRK contract offers no sick pay,lol,pension,holiday pay, pay for your own lpc/opc, no crewfood, but free water yeehaaa! You are clearly a valued member of the team!
You have to set up a company with 3 other ryr pilots,you are only given a list with 3 accountant to choose from.....i wonder why!!?
One of these accountants charges 500 euro to setup the company then 3% of your gross salary per annum there after.
To get back to the recruitment process though you PAY for the assessment and PAY for your job so where is the risk for ryr. If you fail the TR who cares the next candidate can fill you seat at no cost to ryr. So where is the incentive for ryr to be stringent during the recruitment day. Infact i would imagine they make a tidy sum on the TR so devils advocate would say the more that gets through the more money they make! Let face it....its not quite the BA or even the EZY selection process!!
I will let you in on a secret, i did both within the last three years and they didnt charge me for the selection day or tell me to pay for my TR or ask me to setup my on company if i was successfull!
As for the comment i don't work for RYR, your dead right i don't and please god i hope i never will have to.No offence but if the only offer on the table was a BRK contract at RYR i think i rather pack it all in. And i mean that. While we are on the subject though technically neither does anyone on a BRK contract work for ryr, they work for BRK!!So by your logic even BRK contractors who fly ryr aircraft know nothing about ryr then!!
To answer your question, do i think you should apologise? It really depends on the terms you are on and how you feel about degrading terms for others. if you got a job three years ago with the market at its peak and found yourself paying for a TR, signing up to a BRK contract with the hopeless terms they offer then i think you have contributed to these crap terms we are faced with today. Again i dont really know enough about your personal circumstances to say whether or not you should apologise. Its really not for me to say. Other than i didnt ever sigh up to such a deal.
As for me knowing diddly squat about ryr and its recruitment let see. I know there is a MCC course in dublin where you pay way over and above the going rate to be placed on the top of the pile cv wise for ryr.
I also know that ryr charge for the sim check and interview about £300 i believe.Imagine that, they rate your skills that highly they want you to pay to be tested! I know the interview involves a few tech questions, then a bit of the hr stuff, then you are asked to specify your 3 base preferences. You then get a call if successfull saying pay the 33k and you do your course in east mids or amsterdam through cae.
On completion of line training you are offered 3 bases and you accept one,you may not be given very long to decide where you end up based. it can be a case of base offer friday morn, decide by lunch time and start there monday. Live the dream!
Pay rates 20 euro till safety pilot is gone, 35 till 750, then 75 euro thereafter approx.
BRK contract offers no sick pay,lol,pension,holiday pay, pay for your own lpc/opc, no crewfood, but free water yeehaaa! You are clearly a valued member of the team!
You have to set up a company with 3 other ryr pilots,you are only given a list with 3 accountant to choose from.....i wonder why!!?
One of these accountants charges 500 euro to setup the company then 3% of your gross salary per annum there after.
To get back to the recruitment process though you PAY for the assessment and PAY for your job so where is the risk for ryr. If you fail the TR who cares the next candidate can fill you seat at no cost to ryr. So where is the incentive for ryr to be stringent during the recruitment day. Infact i would imagine they make a tidy sum on the TR so devils advocate would say the more that gets through the more money they make! Let face it....its not quite the BA or even the EZY selection process!!
I will let you in on a secret, i did both within the last three years and they didnt charge me for the selection day or tell me to pay for my TR or ask me to setup my on company if i was successfull!
As for the comment i don't work for RYR, your dead right i don't and please god i hope i never will have to.No offence but if the only offer on the table was a BRK contract at RYR i think i rather pack it all in. And i mean that. While we are on the subject though technically neither does anyone on a BRK contract work for ryr, they work for BRK!!So by your logic even BRK contractors who fly ryr aircraft know nothing about ryr then!!
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Everyone seems to be complaining about RYR lowering T's & C's in the industry but is this really true?
A major European airline is seeking 120 FO's for their 320/737 fleet these days and said to be expanding pretty heavily. TR's are all paid for by that very company while a reduced salary is already paid during TR training. After line release new copilots are paid a full salary and are entitled to staff travel, benefits and LOL after one year with the company. Uniform is provided.
Life goes on despite RYR.
A major European airline is seeking 120 FO's for their 320/737 fleet these days and said to be expanding pretty heavily. TR's are all paid for by that very company while a reduced salary is already paid during TR training. After line release new copilots are paid a full salary and are entitled to staff travel, benefits and LOL after one year with the company. Uniform is provided.
Life goes on despite RYR.
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The caring approach?
Smith.....the caring approach to aviation that those companies have might just come from the millions they make!! don't kid yourself that's just bollocks mate!
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You have to set up a company with 3 other ryr pilots,you are only given a list with 3 accountant to choose from.....i wonder why!!?
One of these accountants charges 500 euro to setup the company then 3% of your gross salary per annum there after
Can someone explain this?
You have to set up a company with 3 other ryr pilots,you are only given a list with 3 accountant to choose from.....i wonder why!!?
One of these accountants charges 500 euro to setup the company then 3% of your gross salary per annum there after
Can someone explain this?
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No I am not on the Brookfield contract. I payed for the type rating because it was an offer, and it was my first offer, I had family working for Ryanair (still are) and Im Irish! I have not looked back. I have no training debts anymore I paid them all off. I love going to work, I love working with great people. Its that simple. I dont care about deteriorating terms and conditions, because I am happy with mine(how selfish-boo hoo). Ryanair are selecting the best of the best at the moment because they can afford to. Its the only gig in town at the moment. Just because you can pay for your type rating does not mean you will get a start. Its true believe it or not. They interview 16 cadets a week, on some weeks they have only taken 2 from the 16. You belittle the selection process but they have a couple of ex Aer Lingus guys that say yay or nay on every cadet that walks through the door(if you dont perform to a very high standard flying that sim raw data its most definitely a nay). For most cadets it is that. P.S. The pay rates you posted about the brookfield contract are wrong.
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Im not sure its the only gig in town but at least your happy.Enjoy.After the money you have spent to be there, you deserve to.
Are you on a fulltime RYR employee on a RYR contract with pension, lol, sick pay, holiday pay, basic salary etc. Im just curious because i know a few people that entered at a similar time that are on BRK contracts. When/if you get an upgrade will you have to switch to BRK contract?
Also the quality of candidate, i have no idea of as i have never been involved in RYR selection. My only issue is that no matter how good or bad the individual is if they don't have the funds they don't get a job. That is dangerous in my opinion.I imagine RYR make a nice sum on the TR so the temptation must be to TR as many as possible. We all know how much MOL loves a healthy profit
PS this might make you laugh....after i posted my rant on how crap the terms at ryr are someone sent me a PM asking me where they should send their CV and how could they get in contact with the people who run the MCC i mentioned and telling me that they don't care how much it costs, they are desperate to sign up!!!i kid you not. I give up!
For some odd reason it seems they think i am involved in ryr rrecruitment
Are you on a fulltime RYR employee on a RYR contract with pension, lol, sick pay, holiday pay, basic salary etc. Im just curious because i know a few people that entered at a similar time that are on BRK contracts. When/if you get an upgrade will you have to switch to BRK contract?
Also the quality of candidate, i have no idea of as i have never been involved in RYR selection. My only issue is that no matter how good or bad the individual is if they don't have the funds they don't get a job. That is dangerous in my opinion.I imagine RYR make a nice sum on the TR so the temptation must be to TR as many as possible. We all know how much MOL loves a healthy profit
PS this might make you laugh....after i posted my rant on how crap the terms at ryr are someone sent me a PM asking me where they should send their CV and how could they get in contact with the people who run the MCC i mentioned and telling me that they don't care how much it costs, they are desperate to sign up!!!i kid you not. I give up!
For some odd reason it seems they think i am involved in ryr rrecruitment
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Yes I am full time. So who do you work for blackred? I have given you some insight in my world, a world that you belittle on a daily basis pretty much. So tell me a bit about your world ? How do you find it? What do you fly? When did you join? Where did you train? Will you stay there? When are you up for command or are you LHS? Im just interested and curious.