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After each crisis O’Leary is usually the first to move & take advantage, 9/11, buy new planes, MAX crash, bag a discount, COVID, buy more MAX planes & dance on Norwegians grave, and while at it, get some self funded zero risk new cheap pilots. Its why Ryanair have been so successful.
Time will tell what happens, Ryanair have made the first move, if some other airlines open up cadet recruitment expect Ryanairs offer might change somewhat, lot I think depends on Norwegian, if that survives great, if it fails, well, you know what will happen
Just trying to make sense of this mess, halfway through training wondering if I should take a Ryanair Mentored Gateway CPL, a generic CPL or ditch the dream & do something else. Not a decision I need to make though for a few months & theory doesn't cost much.
Good luck all.
After each crisis O’Leary is usually the first to move & take advantage, 9/11, buy new planes, MAX crash, bag a discount, COVID, buy more MAX planes & dance on Norwegians grave, and while at it, get some self funded zero risk new cheap pilots. Its why Ryanair have been so successful.
Time will tell what happens, Ryanair have made the first move, if some other airlines open up cadet recruitment expect Ryanairs offer might change somewhat, lot I think depends on Norwegian, if that survives great, if it fails, well, you know what will happen
Just trying to make sense of this mess, halfway through training wondering if I should take a Ryanair Mentored Gateway CPL, a generic CPL or ditch the dream & do something else. Not a decision I need to make though for a few months & theory doesn't cost much.
Good luck all.
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Slow your training down until you see signs of recovery, go with the generic as Ryr is taking everyone they can, they say they care about mentored but it’s rubbish, it may get you to an interview a week or two sooner but that’s about it.
Get to the stage where you have completed your ATPL exams. The CPL ME IR/MCC part of the training can be completed over the course of 3-4 months. You have 3 years from passing your last ATPL exam to get the IR done so plenty of time.
Skills will fade especially with someone who has circa 210 hours, you want to be as fresh as possible when things eventually pick up properly.
Get to the stage where you have completed your ATPL exams. The CPL ME IR/MCC part of the training can be completed over the course of 3-4 months. You have 3 years from passing your last ATPL exam to get the IR done so plenty of time.
Skills will fade especially with someone who has circa 210 hours, you want to be as fresh as possible when things eventually pick up properly.
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Let's try to be quantitative, despite the unknowns.
For the next 3 years until 2024, RYR expect to grow by circa 115 aircraft. That's data from their official website, taken at face value. Just what you would expect, given the almost sealed fate of some of their infirm competitors. It will be survival of the fittest - and RYR are in a position to take advantage of the failure of many other airlines.
For a LCC, the usual ratio is 6 crews per aircraft. 115×6=690 new FOs needed over 3 years for expansion purposes only. Possibly more as some of the existing ones will move onto command, while others will swap companies (this one towards the end of the period though, right now nobody is going anywhere and won't be for another year or two).
And here comes the hardest part... How many people are in the pipeline now? Without any good estimate of that, we won't be able to figure out the rest.
For the next 3 years until 2024, RYR expect to grow by circa 115 aircraft. That's data from their official website, taken at face value. Just what you would expect, given the almost sealed fate of some of their infirm competitors. It will be survival of the fittest - and RYR are in a position to take advantage of the failure of many other airlines.
For a LCC, the usual ratio is 6 crews per aircraft. 115×6=690 new FOs needed over 3 years for expansion purposes only. Possibly more as some of the existing ones will move onto command, while others will swap companies (this one towards the end of the period though, right now nobody is going anywhere and won't be for another year or two).
And here comes the hardest part... How many people are in the pipeline now? Without any good estimate of that, we won't be able to figure out the rest.
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Finally, a fine slice of reality with your meal sir? The guys starting TR in March are in for a shock when they’ve paid their 30k and start the ticking clock. Flying isn’t recovering this year no matter how much you pay.
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Keeping within the nature of what this thread is for-
Assessment feedback:
Used U pilot for sim prep, thoroughly worth the money and I cannot recommend them enough!
Interview was pretty straight forward, as long as you do your study on tech stuff you'll be fine.
SIM, Trent departure from EMA RW27 into GH, a non-normal then vectors to land.
Pretty standard stuff.
Hope this helps people attending assessments, rather than the large amounts of drivel clogging this thread.
Assessment feedback:
Used U pilot for sim prep, thoroughly worth the money and I cannot recommend them enough!
Interview was pretty straight forward, as long as you do your study on tech stuff you'll be fine.
SIM, Trent departure from EMA RW27 into GH, a non-normal then vectors to land.
Pretty standard stuff.
Hope this helps people attending assessments, rather than the large amounts of drivel clogging this thread.
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Ryanair has not called back the recently type rated pilots dismissed at the outbreak of covid back in March. Why would you be interested in any kind of assessment that is not going to offer you any job?
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Considering this ‘drivel’ is coming from experienced pilots, many of whom work/have worked for Ryanair, there are perhaps a few things which have changed with this new scheme you should consider.
Why are Ryanair suddenly outsourcing their type ratings? For years they were churning out upto 1000 cadets a year (yes really) in their own training centres with their own TRIs. Why would they now want these type ratings to not be associated with Ryanair?
Why do they now say that you are signing ONLY a fixed term ‘training contract’ when this wasn’t the case previously?
Why do they now say they’re not responsible for funding/renewing your LPC if there is no work available after your training contract finishes?
Considering this ‘drivel’ is coming from experienced pilots, many of whom work/have worked for Ryanair, there are perhaps a few things which have changed with this new scheme you should consider.
Why are Ryanair suddenly outsourcing their type ratings? For years they were churning out upto 1000 cadets a year (yes really) in their own training centres with their own TRIs. Why would they now want these type ratings to not be associated with Ryanair?
Why do they now say that you are signing ONLY a fixed term ‘training contract’ when this wasn’t the case previously?
Why do they now say they’re not responsible for funding/renewing your LPC if there is no work available after your training contract finishes?
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The Foss,
Let's just say:
Head in the sand
Grasping at straws
Come hell or high water
Cross that bridge when we come to it
An elephant in the room
A necessary evil
Teething problems
Ultimately its:
A vicious circle.
and:
When it goes pear shaped
they are left:
Hung out to dry
It's been going on for years now.
A thorny issue some might say.
Let's just say:
Head in the sand
Grasping at straws
Come hell or high water
Cross that bridge when we come to it
An elephant in the room
A necessary evil
Teething problems
Ultimately its:
A vicious circle.
and:
When it goes pear shaped
they are left:
Hung out to dry
It's been going on for years now.
A thorny issue some might say.
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Just some points:
If Ryanair have not called back the type rated students pre pandemic, why is this, especially given these guys were the 10k euro batch, so Ryanair have put monies on those, while there may be profit on type ratings at 29k euros there defiantly is not at 10k.
There is huge customer pent up demand, coupled with the MAX delays suggests Ryanairs recovery will be stronger than most (as their growth pre pandemic was stunted owing to no MAX planes), unless another MAX does a nose dive somewhere.
Not defending Ryanair at all, a 29k type rating with no job guarantee is garbage, hoping the situation has recovered somewhat when I graduate in about 12 months (will be able to see what happens to this lot first), can stomach the type rating cost but only if there is a guaranteed job or the rating is valid somewhere else (it is not). Ultimately O'Leary is responding to supply & demand, pilot shortage pre pandemic (hence 10k type ratings, O'Leary gives nothing away for free), they might change their mind if other airlines open recruitment, anyone heard if Jet2 are restarting that apprenticeship at all? EasyJet unceremoniously shot their MPL golden goose, so any recovery there they would have to recruit out the same modular pile as Ryanair.
Good luck all, what a mess
If Ryanair have not called back the type rated students pre pandemic, why is this, especially given these guys were the 10k euro batch, so Ryanair have put monies on those, while there may be profit on type ratings at 29k euros there defiantly is not at 10k.
There is huge customer pent up demand, coupled with the MAX delays suggests Ryanairs recovery will be stronger than most (as their growth pre pandemic was stunted owing to no MAX planes), unless another MAX does a nose dive somewhere.
Not defending Ryanair at all, a 29k type rating with no job guarantee is garbage, hoping the situation has recovered somewhat when I graduate in about 12 months (will be able to see what happens to this lot first), can stomach the type rating cost but only if there is a guaranteed job or the rating is valid somewhere else (it is not). Ultimately O'Leary is responding to supply & demand, pilot shortage pre pandemic (hence 10k type ratings, O'Leary gives nothing away for free), they might change their mind if other airlines open recruitment, anyone heard if Jet2 are restarting that apprenticeship at all? EasyJet unceremoniously shot their MPL golden goose, so any recovery there they would have to recruit out the same modular pile as Ryanair.
Good luck all, what a mess
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There is no demand that is why, there won’t be for sometime yet. All of us trainers are sat at home twiddling our thumbs, posting here on pprune.
Also, contrary to popular belief, there hasn’t been a shortage of suitable pilots for many moons now, if ever in my lifetime. You’d be the first to know if there was because you wouldn’t be paying 100k for licences...
Also, contrary to popular belief, there hasn’t been a shortage of suitable pilots for many moons now, if ever in my lifetime. You’d be the first to know if there was because you wouldn’t be paying 100k for licences...
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I hear what you say, though if there was no pilot shortage why were Ryanair subsidizing type ratings pre pandemic, they cannot seriously cost 10k euros!!! Ryanairs own guff regarding their mentored scheme was venting frustration at the high failure rate on the pre type rating assessments (50% failure non mentored), so yes, no pilot shortage, maybe only shortage of good pilots. There are CPL's & CPL's. As for the pre pandemic class, if Ryanair have paid into their training why not call them back, genuine question?
Just trying to make sense of this mess, good luck anyone reading this
Just trying to make sense of this mess, good luck anyone reading this
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Chances are they weren’t with AFA but CAE.
They need their new cash cow to make money, they might call those students who spent £10k but would Ryr really want to spend additional money on getting rid of 18/24months of rust?
The internal recruiters on LinkedIn are spamming almost daily with stories about how great it is etc, I wonder why? Almost sounds like a sales pitch?
Anybody committing any funds to any type rating right now is absolutely insane, there’s no other way to describe it.
The entire U.K. aviation industry is begging the government for help and these 20 something genius ‘skygods’ believe they’re going to be flying next year, not begging mummy and daddy to pay for their LPC.
Probably the same idiots that celebrate getting epaulettes during their flight training and have to show everyone on social media.
Forget about a recovery this year, the U.K. is further ahead than the rest of Europe and even we won’t have everyone jabbed until the end of the summer.
Chances are they weren’t with AFA but CAE.
They need their new cash cow to make money, they might call those students who spent £10k but would Ryr really want to spend additional money on getting rid of 18/24months of rust?
The internal recruiters on LinkedIn are spamming almost daily with stories about how great it is etc, I wonder why? Almost sounds like a sales pitch?
Anybody committing any funds to any type rating right now is absolutely insane, there’s no other way to describe it.
The entire U.K. aviation industry is begging the government for help and these 20 something genius ‘skygods’ believe they’re going to be flying next year, not begging mummy and daddy to pay for their LPC.
Probably the same idiots that celebrate getting epaulettes during their flight training and have to show everyone on social media.
Forget about a recovery this year, the U.K. is further ahead than the rest of Europe and even we won’t have everyone jabbed until the end of the summer.
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I agree, if Ryanair was so confident then they would give job guarantees.
Just hoping this is temporary, though listening to our glorious leaders and the EU disgraceful vaccination efforts I am not holding much hope for this summer 😔
I agree, if Ryanair was so confident then they would give job guarantees.
Just hoping this is temporary, though listening to our glorious leaders and the EU disgraceful vaccination efforts I am not holding much hope for this summer 😔
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Any help
Hi all, I've done the Ryanair assessment and missed my shot end of 2019 but have reapplied just before Christmas, I'm pretty clued in to the whole process so happy to help anyone I can. But I am looking for any feedback regarding the current interview questions that are coming up as if I get another go I'm going to need all the help I can get. And to anyone reading these blogs who is trying anything they can to break into the business don't be too discouraged by all the negatively. I'm an aircraft refueler in one of the largest airports and all I do is talk to pilots and they are never happy with what they have so keep the chin up. But please any help with interview questions would be great. Thanks all.
I do not see any connection of UK aviation and Ryanair.
Its fairly obvious that Ryanair are an entity entirely different to other operators. They have fuelled their expansion and profitability by utilising a cadet conveyor based pilot supply. We all, or should, know that they train their guys in a way which suits them and need to maintain this supply chain in order to maintain their expansionist policies.
Again we all know that Ryanair has a loss of trained and reasonably experienced pilots due to more lucrative positions becoming available. This present situation is not of anyone's making but the present conveyor of cadets was disrupted as were flight and passenger loads and so with a future which is more difficult to figure the management of Ryanair are running a recruitment policy which many believe is a revenue scam. My own belief is that is so far from reality it's crazy. The revenue from cadet front payments doesn't scratch the surface of Ryanair. Give me a break just do the maths.
As normal the guys at Ryan are judicious in the appraisal of the marketplace and are running a business as it should be. I along with many long in the tooth pilots see exactly the what they are doing.
No risk business, just like their philosophy, no risk flying, solid and immovable SOP's with good training levels. Say what you want about Ryanair guys, sone may like them but they are trained in a way which is conducive to safe flying, limited maybe, but no the less solid guys.
My own view of pilot shortages is we have many UK licenced guys about but any shortages will be in the EASA scene. They idea of positions in China, India etc aren't for new guys but for very experienced crew.
Of course it's a gamble to be paying for a TR without any guarantees is a risk, would I take it now, not so sure.
Don't want to put anyone off going for it but just as long as they give it a serious amount is consideration before one jumps on to the conveyor.
Its fairly obvious that Ryanair are an entity entirely different to other operators. They have fuelled their expansion and profitability by utilising a cadet conveyor based pilot supply. We all, or should, know that they train their guys in a way which suits them and need to maintain this supply chain in order to maintain their expansionist policies.
Again we all know that Ryanair has a loss of trained and reasonably experienced pilots due to more lucrative positions becoming available. This present situation is not of anyone's making but the present conveyor of cadets was disrupted as were flight and passenger loads and so with a future which is more difficult to figure the management of Ryanair are running a recruitment policy which many believe is a revenue scam. My own belief is that is so far from reality it's crazy. The revenue from cadet front payments doesn't scratch the surface of Ryanair. Give me a break just do the maths.
As normal the guys at Ryan are judicious in the appraisal of the marketplace and are running a business as it should be. I along with many long in the tooth pilots see exactly the what they are doing.
No risk business, just like their philosophy, no risk flying, solid and immovable SOP's with good training levels. Say what you want about Ryanair guys, sone may like them but they are trained in a way which is conducive to safe flying, limited maybe, but no the less solid guys.
My own view of pilot shortages is we have many UK licenced guys about but any shortages will be in the EASA scene. They idea of positions in China, India etc aren't for new guys but for very experienced crew.
Of course it's a gamble to be paying for a TR without any guarantees is a risk, would I take it now, not so sure.
Don't want to put anyone off going for it but just as long as they give it a serious amount is consideration before one jumps on to the conveyor.