Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)
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1) most of those on here urging caution are not bullies, they are using their own experiences and mistakes made to try and help others avoid the same.
2) ‘spend their money and chance it’ the majority of these kids are not spending their own money but their parents/family money and undoubtably are misleading them as to what the opportunity is just so they can ‘fly a 737’
3) Selling BigMacs will earn you more money over the next year/18 months than you’ll earn flying for Ryr as a cadet.
2) ‘spend their money and chance it’ the majority of these kids are not spending their own money but their parents/family money and undoubtably are misleading them as to what the opportunity is just so they can ‘fly a 737’
3) Selling BigMacs will earn you more money over the next year/18 months than you’ll earn flying for Ryr as a cadet.
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iome
"Everyone gets offended nowadays if they see something they disagree with and feel the need to butt in." Yet... here we are, you taking offence over something you admit it doesn't affect you directly, and you're having total meltdowns over your defence of the indefensible, the irony...
I believe that there is a significant difference between telling the cadets the full picture and calling for caution, and demanding them not to do it. I certainly wouldnt tell them to, however I did advise to proceed with caution with the added note that once the assessment is passed, that they should ask for a much later course date as it buys them time.
Step off the keyboard, have a drink and watch a good series as you are completely misguided.
"Everyone gets offended nowadays if they see something they disagree with and feel the need to butt in." Yet... here we are, you taking offence over something you admit it doesn't affect you directly, and you're having total meltdowns over your defence of the indefensible, the irony...
I believe that there is a significant difference between telling the cadets the full picture and calling for caution, and demanding them not to do it. I certainly wouldnt tell them to, however I did advise to proceed with caution with the added note that once the assessment is passed, that they should ask for a much later course date as it buys them time.
Step off the keyboard, have a drink and watch a good series as you are completely misguided.
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BC's ? Base Captains again.... It's not a qualification, it doesn't appear on your licence, it doesn't require any additional aviation skill, and it's an irrelevant inclusion.
BC's ? Base Captains again.... It's not a qualification, it doesn't appear on your licence, it doesn't require any additional aviation skill, and it's an irrelevant inclusion.
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Because I care about protecting our Industry, rights, working conditions and the welfare of those entering it. I'm a professional pilot, i've put in the hard work, i'm well trained and I have self worth. I therefore would be reluctant to pay 30k to accept being paid less than i would at Maccys for flying commercial airliners, particularly when the majority of airliners are grounded until further notice and my earnings depended on how many hours i flew.
It's called perspective.
The guys who finished TR before Covid were here all not so long ago with the same rhetoric... they have since been made redundant. This isn't dissimilar to the P2F schemes we saw not so long ago, they're definitely trying their best!
Again, it's called perspective.
CURRENT RYANAIR REQUIREMENTS
CURRENT 2021 RYANAIR ASSESSMENT DETAILS & PREP
Candidates who are selected will be required to do an online pre-assessment test. If you then get shortlisted to the next stage, the below steps will follow:
Prep: https://airlineassessmentprep.com/ir...t-preparation/
2021 COURSE OUTLINE
Phase 1: Six-day introduction course
Phase 2: Ground Training
CURRENT 2021 CADET PROGRAMME T&CS
- TR course start dates run from 1st March and costs 30k.
- Cadets are to cover additional costs such as assessments and interviews, security passes, uniform, living costs during TR in EMA, food.
- No remuneration for Cadets during TR.
- A training contract between yourself AFA and a contractor called Blue Sky Aviation exists to provide only TR, base and LT.
- Cadets are paid pro rata 16K by Blue Sky Aviation for the period of LT - 4 - 6 months - roughly 1K per month - from Base Training stage.
- Total earnings at best 6K.
- Cadets are expected to relocate to any Ryr base at their own expense for LT.
- No further agreements stand between the cadet and any party after LT.
- No flying is guaranteed after finishing LT. Expect little to no hours over winter, contract potentially from April 2022. Note this is UNPAID time off.
- Further employment is subject to individual performance (no sick days) and business demand and will be on a zero hours basis with a ryr contractor.
- Cadets would have to cover the cost of their own 737 LPC if necessary after LT if there isn't sufficient market recovery
- Cadets sign their training contract on day 1 and are unable to see it before paying the full TR fee.
Finally from Ryanair themselves:
While XXX and its approved XXX XXX Agencies currently have positions available at bases throughout Europe, you must clearly understand that the training contract does not constitute an offer of employment nor a guarantee of an offer of employment at any time. Upon successful completion of your training you may be offered an employment contract with XXX or one of our XXX XXXXX Providers subject to your satisfactory performance during the term of this training contract and the requirements of the business at the prevailing time.
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Because I care about protecting our Industry, rights, working conditions and the welfare of those entering it. I'm a professional pilot, i've put in the hard work, i'm well trained and I have self worth. I therefore would be reluctant to pay 30k to accept being paid less than i would at Maccys for flying commercial airliners, particularly when the majority of airliners are grounded until further notice and my earnings depended on how many hours i flew.
It's called perspective.
The guys who finished TR before Covid were here all not so long ago with the same rhetoric... they have since been made redundant. This isn't dissimilar to the P2F schemes we saw not so long ago, they're definitely trying their best!
Again, it's called perspective.
CURRENT RYANAIR REQUIREMENTS
- Hold a valid EU / EEA passport with the unrestricted right to live and work in the EU or hold a valid UK passport
- Date of Birth – (Not over 65)
- Licence Type – must have a valid EASA (CPL) Frozen ATPL (Air Transport Pilots License)
- Validity of Medical – Must hold a valid EU (Part-MED) issued Class 1 medical certificate.
- Hold a valid multi-engine instrument rating
- Hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of Advanced Upset Prevention and Recovery Training (AUPRT) in accordance with FCL.745.A.
- Hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of multi-crew co-operation (MCC) in accordance with AMC1 FCL.735.A.
- Applicants holding a CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION OF APS MCC-TRAINING in accordance with AMC2 FCL.735.A
- Will be given preference during initial selection
- Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process.
- Must have a flight school report
- Your FLIGHT SCHOOL REPORT must be written in English. The document MUST also be signed by your Flight School’s HOT (Head of Training). This requirement applies to both Integrated and Modular students. This report MUST also contain ALL ATPL results (detailing any repeats), CPL & MEIR series passes, and information relating to your performance throughout training.
- Cadets who have conducted a modular course need to have 100 hours as Pilot-in-Command (PIC), or 70 hours as PIC if completed during a course of integrated flying training as set out in Appendix 3 A, C & D to Part-FCL and AMC1 to Appendix 3 A, C & D.
- English Language Proficiency –minimum required proficiency Level is Operational Level (Level 4). (Written proficiency is required at Operational level).
CURRENT 2021 RYANAIR ASSESSMENT DETAILS & PREP
Candidates who are selected will be required to do an online pre-assessment test. If you then get shortlisted to the next stage, the below steps will follow:
- The selection procedure takes place in Dublin (Ireland) or any other training centres used by the airline. The day begins with an introduction to Ryanair and the recruitment team. Pilots can expect:
- Pre-simulator briefing
- Company presentation
- Simulator assessment in a B737-800 simulator – 45 minutes as both pilot flying and PNF. Basic handling skills, CRM and flight management will be assessed
- English language test
- Technical assessment – 30 minutes assessing your technical knowledge on your current/previous aircraft type(s)
- Personnel interview – Approximately 30 minutes to convince us of your suitability to join the team, and to prove that you are the sort of person who will thrive in an environment where hard work and effort are rewarded.
- Those who emerge successfully from the selection process will be offered a place on a type-rating course at East Midlands Training Center.
- Within 7 working days after the selection day, applicants will be contacted by phone or e-mail with their assessment results, be it positive or negative
Prep: https://airlineassessmentprep.com/ir...t-preparation/
2021 COURSE OUTLINE
Phase 1: Six-day introduction course
Phase 2: Ground Training
- Computer-based training on systems and equipment
- Instructor support for CBT
- Stand-up instruction on performance, weight and balance
- Fixed-base simulator sessions
- Flight management system sessions
- Standard operating procedure training
- Pre-examination
- Written theoretical knowledge examination including results and evaluation
- 9 4-hour sessions per crew
- 1 crew skills test session per crew
- 1 preliminary simulator circuit training of 1 hour per trainee
- After successful completion of the training qualification course, circuits will be flown on a Ryanair B737-800
- Line training will take place from one of our many bases. The number of sectors required to complete Line Training varies with the experience level of the pilot.
CURRENT 2021 CADET PROGRAMME T&CS
- TR course start dates run from 1st March and costs 30k.
- Cadets are to cover additional costs such as assessments and interviews, security passes, uniform, living costs during TR in EMA, food.
- No remuneration for Cadets during TR.
- A training contract between yourself AFA and a contractor called Blue Sky Aviation exists to provide only TR, base and LT.
- Cadets are paid pro rata 16K by Blue Sky Aviation for the period of LT - 4 - 6 months - roughly 1K per month - from Base Training stage.
- Total earnings at best 6K.
- Cadets are expected to relocate to any Ryr base at their own expense for LT.
- No further agreements stand between the cadet and any party after LT.
- No flying is guaranteed after finishing LT. Expect little to no hours over winter, contract potentially from April 2022. Note this is UNPAID time off.
- Further employment is subject to individual performance (no sick days) and business demand and will be on a zero hours basis with a ryr contractor.
- Cadets would have to cover the cost of their own 737 LPC if necessary after LT if there isn't sufficient market recovery
- Cadets sign their training contract on day 1 and are unable to see it before paying the full TR fee.
Finally from Ryanair themselves:
While XXX and its approved XXX XXX Agencies currently have positions available at bases throughout Europe, you must clearly understand that the training contract does not constitute an offer of employment nor a guarantee of an offer of employment at any time. Upon successful completion of your training you may be offered an employment contract with XXX or one of our XXX XXXXX Providers subject to your satisfactory performance during the term of this training contract and the requirements of the business at the prevailing time.
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I’m going to echo the others, this thread is for the sim assessment and interview so, to the same 4 or 5 of you who are still arguing about Ryanair and your opinions on the TR, why not go make your own thread?
Any feedback on the HR and technical interview would be much appreciated!
Any feedback on the HR and technical interview would be much appreciated!
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SID PLATE
No its not a qualification but no one said it was. Its a position and the money and time off is not bad. The last couple of Chief Pilots are ex BCs. In fact some of the most senior management pilots and Chief Pilots that I know of in other airlines were ex BCs and Base Pilot managers. It only seems irrelevant to you but clearly within the senior management structures of airlines it isnt irrelevant. That might be of interest to some people. Is that so hard to understand?
Most of the BCs are alright guys. There are exceptions... like everywhere. I presume you are not a fan of your current BC. Sorry to hear that!
No its not a qualification but no one said it was. Its a position and the money and time off is not bad. The last couple of Chief Pilots are ex BCs. In fact some of the most senior management pilots and Chief Pilots that I know of in other airlines were ex BCs and Base Pilot managers. It only seems irrelevant to you but clearly within the senior management structures of airlines it isnt irrelevant. That might be of interest to some people. Is that so hard to understand?
Most of the BCs are alright guys. There are exceptions... like everywhere. I presume you are not a fan of your current BC. Sorry to hear that!
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I’ve no idea if that’s even possible, you’d be terrified to even ask if you paid £30k, get to day 1 read a contract you’re not happy with and choose to pull out.
Potentially a legal issue but I think they avoid this by using other companies and not ryr directly.
I’ve no idea if that’s even possible, you’d be terrified to even ask if you paid £30k, get to day 1 read a contract you’re not happy with and choose to pull out.
Potentially a legal issue but I think they avoid this by using other companies and not ryr directly.
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Contact Approach,
Can I ask you, where did you find the Terms and Conditions for the 2021 Cadet Program, because as long as I know, it has not been released yet, including the salary conditions.
Look forward to hearing from you!
Can I ask you, where did you find the Terms and Conditions for the 2021 Cadet Program, because as long as I know, it has not been released yet, including the salary conditions.
Look forward to hearing from you!
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Plan very long term and cautiously. And I'd be pissed if I had to be grounded and not paid because a cadet has to do a line training that will take their into unpaid leave.
I hope this will not be confirmed. This might be pure bs, because Ryanair is the company that many love to hate.
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What I don't understand is why many MCC/JOC and APS providers are posting on LinkedIn : "Congrats to XXX on being hired by Ryanair etc..." when we all know that there is no contract between students and Ryanair but AFA Type Rating contract... (+ Blue Sky Aviation).
Even the pilot recruitment manager himself is reposting !
Did I miss something ?
Even the pilot recruitment manager himself is reposting !
Did I miss something ?
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I wouldn’t take Contact Approaches predicted ‘T’s & C’s’ as gospel.
If you’re going to be accurate, be accurate.
Training contract pay is: £16,800 (21k - 20%) + £12.80 per BH (£16 - 20% (once safety pilot released)).
If you’re going to be accurate, be accurate.
Training contract pay is: £16,800 (21k - 20%) + £12.80 per BH (£16 - 20% (once safety pilot released)).
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Your + per BH during line training won't amount to very much whatsoever... you are being paid 16k to fly a commercial airliner then nothing after LT. Get real! You are paid more and receive better working conditions at Mcdonalds as a server:
