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trancada 16th Dec 2015 14:26

By Alex Lennane 16/12/2015
After a further 48 hours of talks, Cargolux and its unions have finally come to an agreement.

“There will be no strike at Cargolux,” said a very tired Dirk Becker, executive secretary of Luxembourg’s Pilot Association. “We have reached an acceptable agreement.”

The management and OGBL, CLSC and LCGB unions have agreed a new Collective Work Agreement, which will be valid for three years.

“I am extremely pleased to have come to a common understanding with our social partners,” said Cargolux CEO Dirk Reich.

“With the agreement, we achieve a significant improvement in the flexibility and economic efficiency of Cargolux, and send a strong signal for the job security at Cargolux and increased competitiveness of Luxembourg as a leading logistic hub in Europe.”

The deal essentially is that which had been agreed on December 1, but then cancelled after the LCGB queried details in the final text.

“This is based on the principles of the first agreement – but the devil was in the detail,” said Mr Becker. “Those issue have now been dealt with.”

He added: “It is regrettable, when looking at what we have agreed, that this could all have been achieved at the beginning of the year. But it is common for negotiations to drag on. It has placed a huge burden on Cargolux. Time will tell how long it will take to get the airline back to where it was.”

In separate news, Cargolux today welcomed a decision by the EU General Court, annulling articles 1 to 5 of the Commission’s 2010 decision in the alleged air freight cartel. The decision means a €79.9m fine previously levied on Cargolux has also been annulled.

Airbusguy320 16th Dec 2015 15:20

So still no details?

Loader1 17th Dec 2015 11:35

Media Release

Cargolux begins hiring process for 100 new pilots

Luxembourg, 17 December 2015 – Cargolux Airlines continues on the path of growth and begins the hiring and training process for 100 new pilots in Luxembourg. 52 candidates have already been selected and Cargolux plans to begin the training process for 8 candidates per month from January until July 2016.

Candidates for the remaining 48 open positions are expected to begin their training between July and December 2016; the selection process for these positions is still open. The next selection of applicants will take place in February, March and April 2016. All training courses are expected to be filled by September.

Cargolux has earlier announced the hiring of the new pilots as part of the introduction of a new collective work agreement (CWA) that offers attractive conditions and upgrades for its current crew population, as well as new positions to guarantee roster stability and a satisfying work-life balance for pilots.

The announcement has met with huge demand and a great number of applications under the terms of the new CWA against the limited open capacity that Cargolux has for next year. All candidates are eager to join the Cargolux family and are happy with the new condition the airline offers for entrant First Officers. They appreciate that Cargolux rewards long-term loyalty in the new pay scale and benefits package under the new CWA and they take it as a positive sign for a long-term career opportunity at the airline.

The Cargolux Crew Training Department notes that, all in all, 170 Cargolux students will acquire a promotion or a new type rating on the airline’s 747 freighters. This represents the biggest ever volume of training in the history of the company. To cope with the workload, Cargolux also looks to appoint additional instructors and trainers.

In addition to the extensive training schedule for the new pilots during 2016, Cargolux also offers its skilled training resources to external customers that need to fulfill their training requirements in 2016. These include, among others, guaranteed simulator capacity for recurrent training, type ratings, differences and recurrent training for 747-8 operators and more specialized training.

“Finally, the so-called Luxembourgish model will continue to exist. This CWA is a win-win situation for everybody and especially a gain for the social dialogue and democracy.” Hubert Hollerich, Secrétaire Central de l’OGBL

“The hiring of 100 additional pilots marks a strong sign in guaranteeing growth in Luxembourg and reinforcing Luxembourg as a logistics hub. This will further help preventing fatigue of Cargolux pilots; which is an important step for enhancing the safety of flight operations”, says Patrick Dury, President of the LCGB.

“We are pleased that the new CWA will allow us to bring in 100 new-generation pilots to fly our 747s, the ‘Queen Of The Skies’,” says Dirk Reich, Cargolux President and CEO. “Our new colleagues will enable us to offer additional upgrades and more part time opportunities for our existing crews.”

flyingmed 17th Dec 2015 13:00

How is the new agreement compared to the previous agreement at Cargolux?

16down2togo 17th Dec 2015 14:00

Worse, but not as bad as originally proposed by the company

youri1988 17th Dec 2015 20:30

Anyone with any details of whats in the new contract yet?

737pilot9 19th Dec 2015 14:38

How about moving up approximately 900euro in salary after flying 600 hours in the company, is that still in the new contracts?

737pilot9 19th Dec 2015 15:43

do you know what the difference is than between Junior FO and FO salary after 12 months?

youri1988 19th Dec 2015 18:03

What about the 13th month, has it been adjusted as well?

TheRednosedReindeer 20th Dec 2015 09:29

About the money, everyone has to figure out for himself if it's worthwhile or not.

But please bear in mind also, that this is a type of operation where fatigue builds up almost inevitably on most trips. It's not flying A to B, Min.rest at hotel, and back B - A, followed by 3 days off (some 10% of the trips are like that). It's usually A - B - C - D - A, maybe one stop more, maybe one less. Hardly ever a chance to adjust to a timezone, time of the day for a duty is completely random and can change significantly on very short notice.

Afterwards, you therefore NEED adequate time OFF to recover. Under the old conditions, that works out just about. IMHO, it is already very unhealthy, but ok, we get good money in return.

Unfortunately, our CEO (tirelessly stressing that he's a pilot himself!) still seems to think this is as easy or better as flying 500km in a glider in Namibia.

With the new conditions, I personally don't think the rest time provided is sufficient anymore to recover properly during time off.
It also turns the job from "tough on your family" into a rapid-divorce-deal.

Find out for yourself, if you in your individual situation will be able to hold out 4 years until at least the Rest day before Off is yours. To me, it looks like an exciting deal for people want a "livin'-for-a-workin'".

(I would also not count too much on part-time, although they are currently promising the moon about it - it'll go by seniority, and it's blocked for the first 4 years with the company)

final06 20th Dec 2015 10:48

Rednose is 100% right.

The massive wear and tear on your health and private life shows up after a couple of years only.

The rotations which used to be mostly good, occasionally even great, when we had 10 aircraft look much different today with 25+ aircraft.

CV is still a good company compared to others, but please keep in mind that our profession in general has been going down the drain rapidly in the last 20 years.

Good luck to all of you who will join in 2016, but please: I do not want to hear any complaints and discussions about your working conditions when we sit in the same cockpit!

I remember one junior colleague stating some time ago: why do I fly longhaul around the world if I don't see anything anymore?

Ethiopia 21st Jan 2016 06:27

Cargolux China is on the way!

Cargolux BOD approves Cargolux China investment

HURZ 1st Feb 2016 15:16

End of a Great Company
This is the reason why people are leaving after 20+ years. It ll be the new Ryan or Easy, hallo Mr. Holt, in the Cargo Business.
Stay away if you have a job...

trancada 27th Feb 2016 21:50

They are starting the recruitment for Cargolux CHINA .
Base is Zhengzhou.
Anyone has inputs about salaries and working conditions?

Catalina31 16th Mar 2016 09:24

If you have time, I need some informations for Cargolux selection. My application is "in progress" since january 21 and I have no news. When did you apply ? Do you have informations for de selection ? Thank you
Best regards.

Catalina31 16th Mar 2016 13:16

thanks for your answer. I imagine that all the CBT test must be pratice in DLR office ? Do you upload software on internet to training you ? Do you receive quickly an answer after your send your application ?
Whatis your experience ? I am a pilot on b1900 with 5000 hours.

JumboJet1999 16th Mar 2016 13:53

Since when did Cargolux use the DLR test for pilot recruitment?

trancada 18th Mar 2016 09:43

With start-up of Cargolux China, base in CGO, chinese registration aircraft, how does the company will prevent this polemical issue with chines doctors?


htgd 18th Mar 2016 09:57

Originally Posted by Hank Moody (Post 9307967)
Hi All,

I have the DLR test at the end of this month.
was wondering if anyone was going there as well or has been there already.
there is a test called MEK(visuel Memory). seems they change that one. and it its now even harder! cant get more than 50% on MEK test.
anyone wanna share there experience?


I've got my dlr in april. MEK and RMS are the most difficult to me. I get 75% at MEK but no more than 25% on RMS. Any suggestion how to improve? Good luck to you....

fda747 21st Mar 2016 15:02

In response to 30N30W:
I don't think so the wingwaveman failed the DLR test many years ago.

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