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Originally Posted by diesel862
PS two flight plans for JEM were in CFMU ex EGHH-EGJJ today is this the fault with the flight planning system.
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Originally Posted by diesel862
Thanks Germstone,
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PS two flight plans for JEM were in CFMU ex EGHH-EGJJ today is this the fault with the flight planning system.
diesel862
PS two flight plans for JEM were in CFMU ex EGHH-EGJJ today is this the fault with the flight planning system.
Does anybody know if the JEM offices are closed at the moment?
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I would assume you're all still being paid. The company has lost it's AOC, not been declared insolvent. (Yet.....)
From what I've been told, the reason for the AOC suspension is because of a lack of crew training, specifically after the 748 over-run incident and the fact that an ops inspector was on a flight when there was a problem and the crew didn't use the manuals to deal with it.
(Probably something that happened so regularily, that everyone knew the drills off by heart without reference to a QRH. If there was one on-board.)
Who's the mobster? Only the biggest t*sser I've ever met (and that really is saying something!) He knows full well who I am, so all I have to say to him is: You can't talk the talk, or walk the walk. Bully boy tactics are a total non-starter, but you were too stupid to realise it. Told you so...
He has a pathelogical hatred of Pprune and used to spend a lot of time trying to find out who posts here. Didn't do him much good in the end though!!
Chin up all, believe me in a few months time, you'll realise this is probably the best thing that ever happened to you. It certainly was for me, despite the ar*e ache at the time.
From what I've been told, the reason for the AOC suspension is because of a lack of crew training, specifically after the 748 over-run incident and the fact that an ops inspector was on a flight when there was a problem and the crew didn't use the manuals to deal with it.
(Probably something that happened so regularily, that everyone knew the drills off by heart without reference to a QRH. If there was one on-board.)
Who's the mobster? Only the biggest t*sser I've ever met (and that really is saying something!) He knows full well who I am, so all I have to say to him is: You can't talk the talk, or walk the walk. Bully boy tactics are a total non-starter, but you were too stupid to realise it. Told you so...
He has a pathelogical hatred of Pprune and used to spend a lot of time trying to find out who posts here. Didn't do him much good in the end though!!
Chin up all, believe me in a few months time, you'll realise this is probably the best thing that ever happened to you. It certainly was for me, despite the ar*e ache at the time.
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my lasting impression and memory of the Mob was a total morale boosting session he had with one of the office girls...he reduced her to tears in a very short space of time over something that was mere trivia in the scheme of things.
I thought you C**T
I would like to see you try that on someone who would be willing to defend themselves both verbally and physically if required.
total bully boy though only willing to pick on people he knew he could
I thought you C**T
I would like to see you try that on someone who would be willing to defend themselves both verbally and physically if required.
total bully boy though only willing to pick on people he knew he could
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Originally Posted by Say again s l o w l y
I would assume you're all still being paid. The company has lost it's AOC, not been declared insolvent. (Yet.....)
From what I've been told, the reason for the AOC suspension is because of a lack of crew training, specifically after the 748 over-run incident and the fact that an ops inspector was on a flight when there was a problem and the crew didn't use the manuals to deal with it.
(Probably something that happened so regularily, that everyone knew the drills off by heart without reference to a QRH. If there was one on-board.)
Who's the mobster? Only the biggest t*sser I've ever met (and that really is saying something!) He knows full well who I am, so all I have to say to him is: You can't talk the talk, or walk the walk. Bully boy tactics are a total non-starter, but you were too stupid to realise it. Told you so...
He has a pathelogical hatred of Pprune and used to spend a lot of time trying to find out who posts here. Didn't do him much good in the end though!!
Chin up all, believe me in a few months time, you'll realise this is probably the best thing that ever happened to you. It certainly was for me, despite the ar*e ache at the time.
From what I've been told, the reason for the AOC suspension is because of a lack of crew training, specifically after the 748 over-run incident and the fact that an ops inspector was on a flight when there was a problem and the crew didn't use the manuals to deal with it.
(Probably something that happened so regularily, that everyone knew the drills off by heart without reference to a QRH. If there was one on-board.)
Who's the mobster? Only the biggest t*sser I've ever met (and that really is saying something!) He knows full well who I am, so all I have to say to him is: You can't talk the talk, or walk the walk. Bully boy tactics are a total non-starter, but you were too stupid to realise it. Told you so...
He has a pathelogical hatred of Pprune and used to spend a lot of time trying to find out who posts here. Didn't do him much good in the end though!!
Chin up all, believe me in a few months time, you'll realise this is probably the best thing that ever happened to you. It certainly was for me, despite the ar*e ache at the time.
The situation is terrible for those who are involved, people can argue about who did this wrong and who did that wrong but at the end of the day all we care about is who/what is going to pay the mortgage.
Baring in mind that you have moved onto greater things please keep thoughts where someone may apprecaite them...
Funnily enough you hardly left here in a blaze of glory yourself did you??? So if you don't mind can you go and rain on someone else's parade.
Much obliged!
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I take no joy from the downfall of Emerald. How could you? There are a lot of very worried people and I have every sympathy for them.
The only thing I'll enjoy is if MOB gets a kick in the ar*e and the show carries on rolling without him, but I very much doubt that'll happen.
I didn't leave under the best of circumstances, but at least I had the balls to stand up for myself and not give in to the enforced mediocrity at JEM. I thought the place was a hole, so I made my feelings clear.
To be honest I hated working there and didn't feel my life was worth risking for people like MOB.
Getting into knackered and usually unservicable a/c, going into poor weather with extremely poor training, no support, exhausted crews, engineers not allowed to buy parts and very harrassed head office staff. It's a miracle there weren't any disasters.
It's a testament to the quality of pilots that you did get home at the end of the day. (I am not being melodramatic, I actually did start to fear getting into some of the machines since you would never know what would go wrong next.)
The final straw for me was being handed a piece of paper from the fleet manager who'd flown the a/c before stating that it'd taken 5 attempts to get the gear down, but not to write it into the techlog as the schedule needed to be kept on track........ The next day I completed my last flight for Emerald.
I wasn't ever going to be put in that situation again. (Yes, the signed note was passed on the the FOI.)
I decided to do something about it and that was to get out whilst I still could.
It was however, refreshing to see the support from all my colleagues at the time......
There were some notable exceptions, all of whom have left JEM and gone on to far better things.
So don't preach to me lagerlout. I got out with my record clean, a cheque in my hand and my conscience clear.
When I left over a year ago, the writing was very clearly written on the wall. I have expected this news for a long time and I don't even work there anymore.
What I'm saying on here is no secret, so take the time whilst you aren't working (but continuing to be paid) to go out and find another job. I did it without all the fanfare or tears. Sh*t happens and you just have to deal with it. It isn't pretty or nice and it definately isn't fair, but whinging won't help pay the bills.
Good luck all of you. (except MOB and AJ of course!)
The only thing I'll enjoy is if MOB gets a kick in the ar*e and the show carries on rolling without him, but I very much doubt that'll happen.
I didn't leave under the best of circumstances, but at least I had the balls to stand up for myself and not give in to the enforced mediocrity at JEM. I thought the place was a hole, so I made my feelings clear.
To be honest I hated working there and didn't feel my life was worth risking for people like MOB.
Getting into knackered and usually unservicable a/c, going into poor weather with extremely poor training, no support, exhausted crews, engineers not allowed to buy parts and very harrassed head office staff. It's a miracle there weren't any disasters.
It's a testament to the quality of pilots that you did get home at the end of the day. (I am not being melodramatic, I actually did start to fear getting into some of the machines since you would never know what would go wrong next.)
The final straw for me was being handed a piece of paper from the fleet manager who'd flown the a/c before stating that it'd taken 5 attempts to get the gear down, but not to write it into the techlog as the schedule needed to be kept on track........ The next day I completed my last flight for Emerald.
I wasn't ever going to be put in that situation again. (Yes, the signed note was passed on the the FOI.)
I decided to do something about it and that was to get out whilst I still could.
It was however, refreshing to see the support from all my colleagues at the time......
There were some notable exceptions, all of whom have left JEM and gone on to far better things.
So don't preach to me lagerlout. I got out with my record clean, a cheque in my hand and my conscience clear.
When I left over a year ago, the writing was very clearly written on the wall. I have expected this news for a long time and I don't even work there anymore.
What I'm saying on here is no secret, so take the time whilst you aren't working (but continuing to be paid) to go out and find another job. I did it without all the fanfare or tears. Sh*t happens and you just have to deal with it. It isn't pretty or nice and it definately isn't fair, but whinging won't help pay the bills.
Good luck all of you. (except MOB and AJ of course!)
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Originally Posted by well hung ops gimp
No one is taking pleasure out of this and we all understand what the implications are for those involved .But you know why your in this position point your anger at him go on let it out .Yes many people have moved on and its then you realise exactly how bad this company is run and how bad you are treated .While working there you get a little imune to it so accept the sh-- .No is your chance as a company to oust him if you do get your AOC back then all staff should refuse to work until the mob is removed ? what do you have to lose
What i do have a problem with is the likes of say again coming on with his two penneth worth... he has not earnt the right to bitch and moan. he was no sooner in the door than he was out of it when he had been figured out.
For those that have done their time i respect all that you have to say, without necessarily agreeing with it and we all apprecaite your support. But say again has not got a leg to to stand on, marched out before he even got wet behind the ears, yet of course he knows emerald best.?????
Like i say he is only here to say i told you so, unfortunately we all stopped listening too him along time ago!
peace out!
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I left Emerald, the first time around, on the very best of terms, my time there, pre MOB days, had been thoroughly enjoyable but that time had merely been a stopgap in my career however I left with very happy memories.
The second time around, a number of years later, I was welcomed back with open arms, the first few months went fine but then the idiot of an OM, he that was accused of stealing milk by MOB and he that was more interested in surrounding himself with pretty girlies than running an Ops department, decided to start treating me like a kid and without due respect.
That was when I called it a day and despite the latter 'bad taste in one's mouth, I remain with some fond memories and I for one am not enjoying or indeed relishing the current state of affairs.
Good luck to all.
The second time around, a number of years later, I was welcomed back with open arms, the first few months went fine but then the idiot of an OM, he that was accused of stealing milk by MOB and he that was more interested in surrounding himself with pretty girlies than running an Ops department, decided to start treating me like a kid and without due respect.
That was when I called it a day and despite the latter 'bad taste in one's mouth, I remain with some fond memories and I for one am not enjoying or indeed relishing the current state of affairs.
Good luck to all.
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Originally Posted by Night Freight 1
Yipeeeeeeeee what a great statement well worth waiting 3 days for
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I didn't earn the right!!.......
I'm sorry I'll just stop laughing at that one. How was I "found out"?
I made it very obvious what I thought was going on and what my opinion was. If you can't do that, then I don't want to be part of it. I would never keep silent when there are issues that need addressing. Working in a climate of fear is not what life in this industry is supposed to be about. If things are unsafe, then it is your duty to speak up.
If you don't, then you are as bad as the person who put you in the pooh in the first place.
I earnt the right a thousand times over by going face to face with MOB and sticking to my principles as a professional.
I stayed for a short time (thank god) and was smart enough to realise that an extended stay somewhere like Emerald is actually a detriment to your career rather than a benefit.
The standards at JEM are well known in the industry and other companies take note of this. I myself couldn't believe the difference when I started doing other things. If you actually think that the standards shown in Emerald are acceptable elsewhere, then you've got a shock coming.
LL, I don't think you realise that if the company survives, then you will have to do something about the management. Otherwise this will start again. An employee buyout would be a possibility, but with everyone so fractured this would be very hard to sort out.
"I told you so" is not what I came on here to say, more it was a wish to (try) and offer my ex-colleagues some words of support. If you are too bitter towards me for whatever reason (I cannot imagine why?) to read what I have written properly, then I cannot be held accountable for your misunderstanding.
All I have posted is the truth as I see it. It may be unpalatable, but the reality is even less appealing. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
I really hope it does all work out for everyone, but I can't see it, but even if it goes t*ts up tomorrow, there are lots of jobs in all sectors of the industry at the moment. In 6 months time this will just be something to chalk up to experience.
I hope the e-mail is worth the wait!
I'm sorry I'll just stop laughing at that one. How was I "found out"?
I made it very obvious what I thought was going on and what my opinion was. If you can't do that, then I don't want to be part of it. I would never keep silent when there are issues that need addressing. Working in a climate of fear is not what life in this industry is supposed to be about. If things are unsafe, then it is your duty to speak up.
If you don't, then you are as bad as the person who put you in the pooh in the first place.
I earnt the right a thousand times over by going face to face with MOB and sticking to my principles as a professional.
I stayed for a short time (thank god) and was smart enough to realise that an extended stay somewhere like Emerald is actually a detriment to your career rather than a benefit.
The standards at JEM are well known in the industry and other companies take note of this. I myself couldn't believe the difference when I started doing other things. If you actually think that the standards shown in Emerald are acceptable elsewhere, then you've got a shock coming.
LL, I don't think you realise that if the company survives, then you will have to do something about the management. Otherwise this will start again. An employee buyout would be a possibility, but with everyone so fractured this would be very hard to sort out.
"I told you so" is not what I came on here to say, more it was a wish to (try) and offer my ex-colleagues some words of support. If you are too bitter towards me for whatever reason (I cannot imagine why?) to read what I have written properly, then I cannot be held accountable for your misunderstanding.
All I have posted is the truth as I see it. It may be unpalatable, but the reality is even less appealing. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
I really hope it does all work out for everyone, but I can't see it, but even if it goes t*ts up tomorrow, there are lots of jobs in all sectors of the industry at the moment. In 6 months time this will just be something to chalk up to experience.
I hope the e-mail is worth the wait!
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Originally Posted by well hung ops gimp
Do you want to share what the e-mail says with the rest of us?
