Emerald and the CAA
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From: England
Originally Posted by EI-CGO
Interesting to read that KH is back in the frame is there a possibility that money still owed for the Streamline takeover (alledgedly there are payments outstanding) could actually be Emeralds saviour ?
Oh incidently I fully expect Emerald to be back in the skies tonight or at the very latest tomorrow with a new Accountable manager at the helm.
You heard it here first
Oh incidently I fully expect Emerald to be back in the skies tonight or at the very latest tomorrow with a new Accountable manager at the helm.
You heard it here first
I was hoping to hear the dulcet drones of aircraft tonight .. dont think it's going to happen now !
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Originally Posted by jethro15
Not quite. As of Sunday last:-
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...ld_airways.htm
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...ld_airways.htm
Heard the ATP in IOM & other aircraft parked away from BLK have been impounded by the relevant airport authorities for non-payment of fees, hence the reason that everything is not at BLK as yet.
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From: UK
The CAA have ordered BLK airport authorities to slap official 'do not use this aircraft' type notices on all JEM a/c a BLK.
BLK are also looking at the lease details of JEMs hangar there.
Not looking good !
As an ex-JEM employee, good luck to all those still there.
Any truth in the rumured MOBs departure ?
BLK are also looking at the lease details of JEMs hangar there.
Not looking good !
As an ex-JEM employee, good luck to all those still there.
Any truth in the rumured MOBs departure ?
I heard a rumour that MOB was on site today????Joined: Aug 2003
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From: The Jack Fairman
Originally Posted by sufferingspouse
Anything more to add from yesterdays post ?
I was hoping to hear the dulcet drones of aircraft tonight .. dont think it's going to happen now !
I was hoping to hear the dulcet drones of aircraft tonight .. dont think it's going to happen now !
Looks like the RM may be forced into sticking with them on a reduced basis due to a lack of availability and more importantly suitability, but there will be contracts taken back and then put out to tender as punishment for the whole sorry affair which JEM will just have to accept or loose the whole lot.
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From: England
Originally Posted by Phileas Fogg
There ain't nothing dulcet about the drone of a Dart engine 
I think it sounds nice
So EI-CGO any more news when staff and spouses will be put out of their misery ? such as which fleet/fleets will be back up and running
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From: Uncertain of position
Originally Posted by perky percy
He cant be as bad as people make out or surely he wouldnt be the Ceo of what has been and im sure will be once again be a sucessfull airline??????
Everyone with a choice eventually left. MOB no doubt explaining to AJ that the recently departed was the cause of all the trouble, (But not explaining that he made their function impossible to carry out) but MOB would sort it all out. Those with no choice gave up trying.(Don't they call what MOB suffers from by the syndrome name of Munchausen by Proxy?) AJ is to blame and yes, it's his money that MOB has wasted yet again, but in doing so he screwed up yet another batch of genuine people along the way.
The fallout may continue even if the company manages a restart with less A/c and crews. If MOB has been sacked i am relieved beyond expression and i hope a way forward is found, whatever it is they don't need MOB.
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From: U.K.
Originally Posted by jethro15
Not quite. As of Sunday last:-
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...ld_airways.htm
That's a depressing website, seeing how many of the Sheds are for disposal or being broken for spares.
Any flying happening tonight or tomorrow?
Not quite. As of Sunday last:-
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fl...ld_airways.htm
That's a depressing website, seeing how many of the Sheds are for disposal or being broken for spares.
Any flying happening tonight or tomorrow?
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From: Stockport MAN/EGCC
Its been mentioned several times in this thread that it is unusual for the CAA to pull an airlines AOC like this. Who was the last to lose one this way rather than go bust. Has a UK carrier ever had their AOC suspended and succesfully got it back?
Be lucky
David
Be lucky
David
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From: Cloud 9
It all depends on the precise reasons for pulling the AOC.
After I last left Emerald in 2001 I joined another cargo (and pax) operator and some 10 months into that job we had a situation whereas the crewing department should have consisted of 3 but one was on maternatity leave, the guy who did the crew records and indeed the only one that knew how to enter the info into the machine was indefinately sick thus I was left on my lonesome basically working 12 hours a day and 7 days a week. I was a walking zombie but the overtime at the end of each month was great and management aware of what I was going through allowed me a wide berth.
Anyway, it reached the stage whereas the crew records were some weeks out of date and the Flight Ops Inspector, known less than affectionally as 'Swampy' (the b@stard wouldn't stop digging) decided that unless the crew records were up to date that evening then we wouldn't be flying, he would pull the AOC.
Well it was down to the old fashioned way of doing things, by the time I may have learnt how to use the crew records machine we would have been grounded thus out with the pencil & paper, I got them up to date somewhere around midnight but had reported them up to date to Swampy an hour earlier, OK so I lied, but at least we could operate the night freight.
A matter of some 2 weeks later, late afternoon/early evening, the DFO came to me looking for the OM who had already gone home. The DFO exclaimed 'he's going to pull the AOC, help me Phileas' thus I wandered downstairs with my pencil & papers in hand. Swampy had decided that our crew records were so far out of date that he was pulling the AOC. 'Give me a name' I asked and I proved to him that that person, and another, and another etc. were all up to date allbeit in a pencil & paper format, the little
sh1t didn't know where to put himself!
The moral of this story, well for the afflicted it's taken your mind of more serious matters if only for a few moments and it serves to prove that the Campaign Against Aviation can be mistaken, presumptuous, indeed wrong on occasions.
Good Luck
After I last left Emerald in 2001 I joined another cargo (and pax) operator and some 10 months into that job we had a situation whereas the crewing department should have consisted of 3 but one was on maternatity leave, the guy who did the crew records and indeed the only one that knew how to enter the info into the machine was indefinately sick thus I was left on my lonesome basically working 12 hours a day and 7 days a week. I was a walking zombie but the overtime at the end of each month was great and management aware of what I was going through allowed me a wide berth.
Anyway, it reached the stage whereas the crew records were some weeks out of date and the Flight Ops Inspector, known less than affectionally as 'Swampy' (the b@stard wouldn't stop digging) decided that unless the crew records were up to date that evening then we wouldn't be flying, he would pull the AOC.
Well it was down to the old fashioned way of doing things, by the time I may have learnt how to use the crew records machine we would have been grounded thus out with the pencil & paper, I got them up to date somewhere around midnight but had reported them up to date to Swampy an hour earlier, OK so I lied, but at least we could operate the night freight.
A matter of some 2 weeks later, late afternoon/early evening, the DFO came to me looking for the OM who had already gone home. The DFO exclaimed 'he's going to pull the AOC, help me Phileas' thus I wandered downstairs with my pencil & papers in hand. Swampy had decided that our crew records were so far out of date that he was pulling the AOC. 'Give me a name' I asked and I proved to him that that person, and another, and another etc. were all up to date allbeit in a pencil & paper format, the little
sh1t didn't know where to put himself!
The moral of this story, well for the afflicted it's taken your mind of more serious matters if only for a few moments and it serves to prove that the Campaign Against Aviation can be mistaken, presumptuous, indeed wrong on occasions.
Good Luck
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From: Liverpool
Having worked? for Emerald for 6 years I think that i might have a few words about the c.e.o.
(not meant to be funny)i feel for all the staff who are waiting for news but as an ex jem whipping boy all I can say is "dont hold your breath" getting information out of them is difficult to say the least.I know he ops gimp and worked and banged heads with him for a few years and trust me he left when he could take no more of the sh1t.Let me say this twice,emerald went into pax and it placed a huge financial burden on the company all as far as im concerned just to flatter one mans ego.Maybe aj knew what was going on maybe he didnt ,but when one man?makes sure nothing goes on without his approval the word meglamaniac springs to mind.most of the people who still work there do so not because they cant get a job somewhere else its because they care about the people they work with NOT who they work for
(not meant to be funny)i feel for all the staff who are waiting for news but as an ex jem whipping boy all I can say is "dont hold your breath" getting information out of them is difficult to say the least.I know he ops gimp and worked and banged heads with him for a few years and trust me he left when he could take no more of the sh1t.Let me say this twice,emerald went into pax and it placed a huge financial burden on the company all as far as im concerned just to flatter one mans ego.Maybe aj knew what was going on maybe he didnt ,but when one man?makes sure nothing goes on without his approval the word meglamaniac springs to mind.most of the people who still work there do so not because they cant get a job somewhere else its because they care about the people they work with NOT who they work for
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From: Dublin,Ireland
Hi all
Commiserations to all concerned.Best thing to do now is make sure the toolbox/flightbag is out of the hangar/flightdeck and safely in the boot of the car and get the CV out and in circulation.Don't just sit there like a dummy waiting for something to turn up.If you haven't been paid, well,get in before the liquidator does
regards
TDD
Commiserations to all concerned.Best thing to do now is make sure the toolbox/flightbag is out of the hangar/flightdeck and safely in the boot of the car and get the CV out and in circulation.Don't just sit there like a dummy waiting for something to turn up.If you haven't been paid, well,get in before the liquidator does
regards
TDD
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Originally Posted by exloadie
Having worked? for Emerald for 6 years I think that i might have a few words about the c.e.o. (not meant to be funny)i feel for all the staff who are waiting for news but as an ex jem whipping boy all I can say is "dont hold your breath" getting information out of them is difficult to say the least.I know he ops gimp and worked and banged heads with him for a few years and trust me he left when he could take no more of the sh1t.Let me say this twice,emerald went into pax and it placed a huge financial burden on the company all as far as im concerned just to flatter one mans ego.Maybe aj knew what was going on maybe he didnt ,but when one man?makes sure nothing goes on without his approval the word meglamaniac springs to mind.most of the people who still work there do so not because they cant get a job somewhere else its because they care about the people they work with NOT who they work for
(not meant to be funny)i feel for all the staff who are waiting for news but as an ex jem whipping boy all I can say is "dont hold your breath" getting information out of them is difficult to say the least.I know he ops gimp and worked and banged heads with him for a few years and trust me he left when he could take no more of the sh1t.Let me say this twice,emerald went into pax and it placed a huge financial burden on the company all as far as im concerned just to flatter one mans ego.Maybe aj knew what was going on maybe he didnt ,but when one man?makes sure nothing goes on without his approval the word meglamaniac springs to mind.most of the people who still work there do so not because they cant get a job somewhere else its because they care about the people they work with NOT who they work forJoined: May 2006
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From: U.K.
Nearly se7en days on a knife edge!!!
Originally Posted by TwoDeadDogs
Hi all
Commiserations to all concerned.Best thing to do now is make sure the toolbox/flightbag is out of the hangar/flightdeck and safely in the boot of the car and get the CV out and in circulation.Don't just sit there like a dummy waiting for something to turn up.If you haven't been paid, well,get in before the liquidator does
regards
TDD
Commiserations to all concerned.Best thing to do now is make sure the toolbox/flightbag is out of the hangar/flightdeck and safely in the boot of the car and get the CV out and in circulation.Don't just sit there like a dummy waiting for something to turn up.If you haven't been paid, well,get in before the liquidator does
regards
TDD
It's easyer to get a job while you have one, and while you still have one (if you all still do) get a new one!
I don't want to see the end of EA, but when the managment 'aint talking, self preservation has got to kick in.
Everyone I know at Emerald has work Balls out for years to keep the 'show' on the road.
And to what ends?????
To not be told ANYTHING of any USE for nearly SEVEN DAYS!!!!!!!
17 aircraft not in service for nearly a week - what WILL the bank manager say?
To all the great people who are employed at LPL/CVT/BLK/IOM & all the other Emerald posts, I wish you all the best for the future, whatever the out come.
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From: Scouseland
Originally Posted by Trill_Flyer
Checking company e-mail still nothing. Has anyone managed to speak to any Management/opps to see what officially is going on who actually does know. Is MOB really RIP?