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Nothing much that nobody doesnt really know already but here is a link from the BBC ref Euromanx's flights from LPL to IOM. Euromanxs first flight from LPL on Saturday has been cancelled i assume because of the JEM's ATP not available to operate the flight.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...an/4978210.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...an/4978210.stm
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Emerald have been on the go for years, so the more experienced staff don't need my advice.
But just in case, it's very obvious that the company will not fly again, there are many vacancies for both pilots and engineers at the moment, so get the CVs off to whoever you'd like to work for and even to those you don't.
Speculitive applications often lead to unexpected offers.
All the best to everyone.
But just in case, it's very obvious that the company will not fly again, there are many vacancies for both pilots and engineers at the moment, so get the CVs off to whoever you'd like to work for and even to those you don't.
Speculitive applications often lead to unexpected offers.
All the best to everyone.
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good luck
Evening all,
I'm not going to claim to be personally privvy to the goings on at Emerald, but as someone who has been through the whole airline shutdown mill on a previous occasion (and I know of someone at Emerald for whom this would be turn number 3), I wish you all the very best of luck.
well hung ops gimp (god, feels disturbing actually typing that out
) while I realise you have previous experience of this company, and I have heard many things similar to what you mention, please understand there are a bunch of staff, many of whom will be your former colleagues, not knowing for sure where the next paycheque is coming from, who at least for now, really dont want to be part of the whole "who is to blame" arguement. There will be plenty of time for that later!
I say this not as a criticism of you mate, but just from personal experience of working for an airline that many in the industry knew would fail and despite us coming so close to success, eventually did. That didnt stop me or my colleagues from putting in 110% every day to make it work and the last thing you want to hear on the day it all ends is that your efforts were doomed from the start.
Again, best of luck to you all: a bunch that have been through so many operational "challenges" will surely be snapped up by other airlines!
And finally: a big shout out to that babduck........
I'm not going to claim to be personally privvy to the goings on at Emerald, but as someone who has been through the whole airline shutdown mill on a previous occasion (and I know of someone at Emerald for whom this would be turn number 3), I wish you all the very best of luck.
well hung ops gimp (god, feels disturbing actually typing that out
) while I realise you have previous experience of this company, and I have heard many things similar to what you mention, please understand there are a bunch of staff, many of whom will be your former colleagues, not knowing for sure where the next paycheque is coming from, who at least for now, really dont want to be part of the whole "who is to blame" arguement. There will be plenty of time for that later! I say this not as a criticism of you mate, but just from personal experience of working for an airline that many in the industry knew would fail and despite us coming so close to success, eventually did. That didnt stop me or my colleagues from putting in 110% every day to make it work and the last thing you want to hear on the day it all ends is that your efforts were doomed from the start.
Again, best of luck to you all: a bunch that have been through so many operational "challenges" will surely be snapped up by other airlines!
And finally: a big shout out to that babduck........
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Hi Guys,
I come in peace from the mil forum. Sad news for the guys and gals at Emerald. Its always ashame to see an old airline die, hope you guys all find work again real soon.
Best of luck!
Fantaman
I come in peace from the mil forum. Sad news for the guys and gals at Emerald. Its always ashame to see an old airline die, hope you guys all find work again real soon.
Best of luck!
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People have every right to be angry but when this sort of thing happens the fault can only be put at the door of the Accountable Manager.
Any operator that has a proper Quality Auditing system and hold both Management Evaluation and Flight Safety Meetings on a regular basis (Neither involing any expense to the operator providing they employ both Flight Safety Officer and a Quality Manager) should be able to spot flaws in training or engineering resulting in non conformaties being dealt with before the Authority ever need to be involved, in fact if you follow this process you stand in better shape with the authority because they see that you are self regulating yourself.
In my experience of the Authority and FOI's I have always found them to be helpful and responsive if you follow the basic principles that you yourself set out in your Part A and Quality Manual, after all these are a statement of intent from the operator (not the authority) and if you do not follow your own manuals you really cannot blame the Authority for any action they may take.
At every stage of a Quality process and any audit carried out by the authority direct feedback to the Accountable Manager is undertaken so there is no excuse for action that has not been taken, if those under the AM cannot complete the tasks then others must be brought in to do it and if not that again is the responsibility of the AM.
No one is gloating over this whole issue, but Emerald employees should be asking serious questions of why the Accountable Manager of an organisation of this size has allowed his AOC to be revoked, it is fairly unpresidented in recent times and can only be as a result of the basic principles of holding an AOC being seriously neglected.
Any operator that has a proper Quality Auditing system and hold both Management Evaluation and Flight Safety Meetings on a regular basis (Neither involing any expense to the operator providing they employ both Flight Safety Officer and a Quality Manager) should be able to spot flaws in training or engineering resulting in non conformaties being dealt with before the Authority ever need to be involved, in fact if you follow this process you stand in better shape with the authority because they see that you are self regulating yourself.
In my experience of the Authority and FOI's I have always found them to be helpful and responsive if you follow the basic principles that you yourself set out in your Part A and Quality Manual, after all these are a statement of intent from the operator (not the authority) and if you do not follow your own manuals you really cannot blame the Authority for any action they may take.
At every stage of a Quality process and any audit carried out by the authority direct feedback to the Accountable Manager is undertaken so there is no excuse for action that has not been taken, if those under the AM cannot complete the tasks then others must be brought in to do it and if not that again is the responsibility of the AM.
No one is gloating over this whole issue, but Emerald employees should be asking serious questions of why the Accountable Manager of an organisation of this size has allowed his AOC to be revoked, it is fairly unpresidented in recent times and can only be as a result of the basic principles of holding an AOC being seriously neglected.
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MOB - Do the workers some justise
MOB need's to let the men and women, who have strived to try and keep this Airline going, in on what's going on... It' what a good manager would do!!!!
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Originally Posted by Maintrol Muppet
MOB need's to let the men and women, who have strived to try and keep this Airline going, in on what's going on... It' what a good manager would do!!!!
see thats where it falls down...you said GOOD manager didnt you
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Originally Posted by Sensible Bod
Well my first post, a short military experience should tell me how it should be run, but guys come on this is the real world. Where should I start:
Not only the sky jockeys (perhaps the guys that the gov. paid to train and then bailed out to go commercial) work long hours, but what about crewing and ops the abused and used, who have kept emerald going for many years, these people are the backbone of any company. I know that without fast intelligent ex fighter pilots the freight business would be at a loss. So all the back stabbers who have left because they can't hack it or have been sacked give it a rest and get on with what you're supposed to be doing at work, keep the shed you're working for alive it will pay your mortgage.
Regards
Sensible Bod ex 33 Sqd.
Not only the sky jockeys (perhaps the guys that the gov. paid to train and then bailed out to go commercial) work long hours, but what about crewing and ops the abused and used, who have kept emerald going for many years, these people are the backbone of any company. I know that without fast intelligent ex fighter pilots the freight business would be at a loss. So all the back stabbers who have left because they can't hack it or have been sacked give it a rest and get on with what you're supposed to be doing at work, keep the shed you're working for alive it will pay your mortgage.
Regards
Sensible Bod ex 33 Sqd.
In the military, under the official secrets act, one is not allowed to talk about their duties or the nature of their business and everything is funded by the tax payer. Perhaps that is the card that JEM are playing, let's keep everything a secret, that's how the military do it!
Fast intelligent ex fighter pilots and the freight business would be at a loss without them, mmmm, I'll reserve judgement on that one
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does anyone have a clue if we have jobs.?? cabin crew have been told we're off till further notice but will still get paid. how true that is i dont know! I find it shameful that none of the management have issued any sort of notice. as usual we're left to worry about what the future holds at emerald.I haven.t slept for 2 nights. MOB stop treating us like mushrooms!........ Kept in the dark and fed a load of sh..t! We deserve better. 
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As long as I´ve been in the freight game they have said that Emerald is going down any time now (started in freight 5 years ago)...
Hope things will turn out good have friends there right now who dont´t know what to do....
Hope things will turn out good have friends there right now who dont´t know what to do....
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there was a AN-12 in at ncl yesterday working on behalf of aircontractors it was noted as turning north after take off, may be she was been used to cover the gap left by emerald.
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Welcome to the real world, I have had three airlines close on me during my time and they never gave me any information before, during or after.
I pitched up for work at one of them and found the doors locked and all the aircraft gone. If any of you think A.J and Mob give a flying **** about any of you, you need you’re heads testing. Doesn’t the way you have been treated during the time you worked there tell you that? It’s all about making money, and not for you.
All they will be doing is damage limitation and making sure that if they can’t save Emerald they will not have to worry how they pay their mortgages or where the next meal comes from, and what is the absolute minimum they can get away with paying you.
Mind you I doubt they have mortgages, all you’re, and for a few years, my hard work has seen to that. I could rant on about what I think about MOB and how he is the most detestable person I have ever met and that he hasn’t got the slightest inkling about person management or human communication skills but you all know that for yourselves. Believe me, if it is gone for good, while you are all upset at the moment, in six months time you will all be saying that it was the best thing that ever happened to you, and when you are working for a proper Airline you will look back on how that piece of sh** treated you and wonder how the hell you put up with it. As for some of the **** some of you ex military farts are spewing out, I will be glad when you lot are all gone from this industry. I am ex 85 squadron, but I made damn sure I didn’t turn into one of you lot you pompous arrogant asses. What the hell have intelligent fast fighter pilots got to do with what these people are going through? The one person saying it as it is and talking sense is well hung ops gimp.
I pitched up for work at one of them and found the doors locked and all the aircraft gone. If any of you think A.J and Mob give a flying **** about any of you, you need you’re heads testing. Doesn’t the way you have been treated during the time you worked there tell you that? It’s all about making money, and not for you.
All they will be doing is damage limitation and making sure that if they can’t save Emerald they will not have to worry how they pay their mortgages or where the next meal comes from, and what is the absolute minimum they can get away with paying you.
Mind you I doubt they have mortgages, all you’re, and for a few years, my hard work has seen to that. I could rant on about what I think about MOB and how he is the most detestable person I have ever met and that he hasn’t got the slightest inkling about person management or human communication skills but you all know that for yourselves. Believe me, if it is gone for good, while you are all upset at the moment, in six months time you will all be saying that it was the best thing that ever happened to you, and when you are working for a proper Airline you will look back on how that piece of sh** treated you and wonder how the hell you put up with it. As for some of the **** some of you ex military farts are spewing out, I will be glad when you lot are all gone from this industry. I am ex 85 squadron, but I made damn sure I didn’t turn into one of you lot you pompous arrogant asses. What the hell have intelligent fast fighter pilots got to do with what these people are going through? The one person saying it as it is and talking sense is well hung ops gimp.
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Originally Posted by Germstone
see thats where it falls down...you said GOOD manager didnt you
I hope all the good people there go on to bigger and better things, if indeed this is the end of what could have been a good thing.
Good luck y'all!!!!
Wedgehog
What did you fly? The Bristol Ferranti Bloodhound, or something even older?
Having been through all this recently, I think it's fair to assume the jobs have gone and you need to file against Emerald for unfair dismissal and claim for pay in lieu of notice which is paid by the Government. Get the union involved, they will claim on your behalf.
Get the CVs out, don't waste any time.
Good Luck! Once you've flown in daylight, you won't want to go back!
Having been through all this recently, I think it's fair to assume the jobs have gone and you need to file against Emerald for unfair dismissal and claim for pay in lieu of notice which is paid by the Government. Get the union involved, they will claim on your behalf.
Get the CVs out, don't waste any time.
Good Luck! Once you've flown in daylight, you won't want to go back!
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HE7OR WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR NOT IN A UNION. NONE OF THE GIRLS HAVE BEEN IN TH IS POSITION BEFORE AND DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO TURN! ANYONE NEED A CLEANER? LEAST I'VE STILL GOT A SENSE OF HUMOUR. JUST!!!!!!! 