Cathay Pacific imploding.
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No way Hose! We´ll hang around here to spread bitterness into your naïve faces and remind you of the glorious world outside Cathay Pathetic. Deal with it.
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A valid point, a swing to recruit from China is possible. The political risks you mention are fair as well, one would have to make a balanced evaluation depending on the individual alternatives, e.g. compared to Middle East or South Aftica.
Whether a lifetime career still exists in aviation at all is debatable, I am convinced In 15-20 years AI and automation in association with demographic pressure especially in China will change everything. Growth of technology will be exponential and faster than expected. Just imagine the potential savings, no FTLs, no hotel cost, no recurrent training, no leave, no sick days, no recruitment issues. You would not "only" save the cost of crew, but many more, sim instructors, dispatch, admin, etc etc. The saving potential is enormous, which is it why it will be implemented. Entering this line of work today at age 20-30 is mad in my opinion. You will end up at age 40-50 with non-transferrable skills in an obsolete profession.Best you can hope for is a job scope compared to a lonely MTR driver with corresponding pay and social status.
It's not Cathay that is imploding, its our profession.
Whether a lifetime career still exists in aviation at all is debatable, I am convinced In 15-20 years AI and automation in association with demographic pressure especially in China will change everything. Growth of technology will be exponential and faster than expected. Just imagine the potential savings, no FTLs, no hotel cost, no recurrent training, no leave, no sick days, no recruitment issues. You would not "only" save the cost of crew, but many more, sim instructors, dispatch, admin, etc etc. The saving potential is enormous, which is it why it will be implemented. Entering this line of work today at age 20-30 is mad in my opinion. You will end up at age 40-50 with non-transferrable skills in an obsolete profession.Best you can hope for is a job scope compared to a lonely MTR driver with corresponding pay and social status.
It's not Cathay that is imploding, its our profession.
However, this transition will eventually result in us all being replaced . We will see a ULR that typically requires a four-person crew, reduced to two, then one, and ultimately, no human pilots at all, maybe with some sort "pilot" overseeing multiple aircraft missions from a single location, stepping in only when intervention is necessary, and who will probably only have a theoretical understanding of how to fly an aeroplane - much like a 10 year old playing with flight sim on their PC.
I firmly believe we are witnessing the final phase of the traditional aviator era. It's quite possible that the last conventional pilot, as we understand the role today, has already been born.
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This is the amazing part. The number of guys who love COS 18 ,who cling to the notion that CX is better than ever. We need to work at least 21-27 hrs a month more to make up for the pay cut under COS18 and guys are begging and praying the CAD lift the 900 hr max so they can work more 110 hr months to make the same money. And they're happy to do it. Many have lost a weeks leave under COS18, no problem! I doubt the company realised just how many would probably work for nothing just to be a CX pilot. Were losing a huge bunch of 777s back to the lessors? Well that's a good thing because freights dropping off. We're losing London slots? Well that's a good thing because we burn extra gas now getting there. If you thought the Koolaid drinking was impressive in the past, try nowadays......
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Team, sadly this will get much worse unless the pilot community rallies as a global and unified entity, such as an International ALPA, where ICAO licences are recognised as such. There is a great need to standardise licences and type ratings since, post covid, the demand to fill seats is pushing the training machine to its limits. Multinational cockpits are not the thing of the past but low hour pilots from South America, India, Russian Federation etc are now coming aboard with only basic experience and often with previous types pretty much unsuited for transition to jet equipment. In an effort to be less profligate with resources, Corporate Execs have reduced conversion times to below the bare minimum, inside ridiculously tight windows with no time to synthesise and often with unsuited cockpit pairings. This will eventually bring standards on the line to having little skin on the bone and the mantra.." safety is our greatest concern"..will become even more of a cliche than it currently is.
The pilot's associations and Unions have lost all their teeth outside the USA. Unless there is a cohesive effort to confront the machinations of ..not just the Legacy Airlines but the Low costs too, those current rosters, monthly hours and salaries will go the same way as the Maritime Industry..and that is severely south. The various Pilot Unions now have to regroup and send the strongest of messages to all the Airline Execs, that our Profession can no longer suffer the corporate tampering that has pushed post covid levels so blatantly into the banks of the shareholders and the Executive bonuses..
The pilot's associations and Unions have lost all their teeth outside the USA. Unless there is a cohesive effort to confront the machinations of ..not just the Legacy Airlines but the Low costs too, those current rosters, monthly hours and salaries will go the same way as the Maritime Industry..and that is severely south. The various Pilot Unions now have to regroup and send the strongest of messages to all the Airline Execs, that our Profession can no longer suffer the corporate tampering that has pushed post covid levels so blatantly into the banks of the shareholders and the Executive bonuses..
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This is the amazing part. The number of guys who love COS 18 ,who cling to the notion that CX is better than ever. We need to work at least 21-27 hrs a month more to make up for the pay cut under COS18 and guys are begging and praying the CAD lift the 900 hr max so they can work more 110 hr months to make the same money. And they're happy to do it. Many have lost a weeks leave under COS18, no problem! I doubt the company realised just how many would probably work for nothing just to be a CX pilot. Were losing a huge bunch of 777s back to the lessors? Well that's a good thing because freights dropping off. We're losing London slots? Well that's a good thing because we burn extra gas now getting there. If you thought the Koolaid drinking was impressive in the past, try nowadays......
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This is the amazing part. The number of guys who love COS 18 ,who cling to the notion that CX is better than ever. We need to work at least 21-27 hrs a month more to make up for the pay cut under COS18 and guys are begging and praying the CAD lift the 900 hr max so they can work more 110 hr months to make the same money. And they're happy to do it. Many have lost a weeks leave under COS18, no problem! I doubt the company realised just how many would probably work for nothing just to be a CX pilot. Were losing a huge bunch of 777s back to the lessors? Well that's a good thing because freights dropping off. We're losing London slots? Well that's a good thing because we burn extra gas now getting there. If you thought the Koolaid drinking was impressive in the past, try nowadays......
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Team, sadly this will get much worse unless the pilot community rallies as a global and unified entity, such as an International ALPA, where ICAO licences are recognised as such. There is a great need to standardise licences and type ratings since, post covid, the demand to fill seats is pushing the training machine to its limits. Multinational cockpits are not the thing of the past but low hour pilots from South America, India, Russian Federation etc are now coming aboard with only basic experience and often with previous types pretty much unsuited for transition to jet equipment. In an effort to be less profligate with resources, Corporate Execs have reduced conversion times to below the bare minimum, inside ridiculously tight windows with no time to synthesise and often with unsuited cockpit pairings. This will eventually bring standards on the line to having little skin on the bone and the mantra.." safety is our greatest concern"..will become even more of a cliche than it currently is.
The pilot's associations and Unions have lost all their teeth outside the USA. Unless there is a cohesive effort to confront the machinations of ..not just the Legacy Airlines but the Low costs too, those current rosters, monthly hours and salaries will go the same way as the Maritime Industry..and that is severely south. The various Pilot Unions now have to regroup and send the strongest of messages to all the Airline Execs, that our Profession can no longer suffer the corporate tampering that has pushed post covid levels so blatantly into the banks of the shareholders and the Executive bonuses..
The pilot's associations and Unions have lost all their teeth outside the USA. Unless there is a cohesive effort to confront the machinations of ..not just the Legacy Airlines but the Low costs too, those current rosters, monthly hours and salaries will go the same way as the Maritime Industry..and that is severely south. The various Pilot Unions now have to regroup and send the strongest of messages to all the Airline Execs, that our Profession can no longer suffer the corporate tampering that has pushed post covid levels so blatantly into the banks of the shareholders and the Executive bonuses..
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From: Utopia
Team, sadly this will get much worse unless the pilot community rallies as a global and unified entity, such as an International ALPA, where ICAO licences are recognised as such. There is a great need to standardise licences and type ratings since, post covid, the demand to fill seats is pushing the training machine to its limits. Multinational cockpits are not the thing of the past but low hour pilots from South America, India, Russian Federation etc are now coming aboard with only basic experience and often with previous types pretty much unsuited for transition to jet equipment. In an effort to be less profligate with resources, Corporate Execs have reduced conversion times to below the bare minimum, inside ridiculously tight windows with no time to synthesise and often with unsuited cockpit pairings. This will eventually bring standards on the line to having little skin on the bone and the mantra.." safety is our greatest concern"..will become even more of a cliche than it currently is.
The pilot's associations and Unions have lost all their teeth outside the USA. Unless there is a cohesive effort to confront the machinations of ..not just the Legacy Airlines but the Low costs too, those current rosters, monthly hours and salaries will go the same way as the Maritime Industry..and that is severely south. The various Pilot Unions now have to regroup and send the strongest of messages to all the Airline Execs, that our Profession can no longer suffer the corporate tampering that has pushed post covid levels so blatantly into the banks of the shareholders and the Executive bonuses..
The pilot's associations and Unions have lost all their teeth outside the USA. Unless there is a cohesive effort to confront the machinations of ..not just the Legacy Airlines but the Low costs too, those current rosters, monthly hours and salaries will go the same way as the Maritime Industry..and that is severely south. The various Pilot Unions now have to regroup and send the strongest of messages to all the Airline Execs, that our Profession can no longer suffer the corporate tampering that has pushed post covid levels so blatantly into the banks of the shareholders and the Executive bonuses..
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From: Utopia
swissair did that building up crossair and ignored the warnings until an ex aeroflot pilot having been trained on Russian artificial horizons which indicate the opposite way than Western ones rolled upside down and made a smoking hole in Rumlang..Good luck ..I won't be flying with your lot again.
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