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Old 14th Dec 2023, 21:03
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Implosion, explosion, what is it now? 😂
Brother of a different MOFO. Are you still with CX, after all these years? or are you like myself someone who actually let go of these circus clowns?
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 00:25
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Originally Posted by Klimax
Brother of a different MOFO. Are you still with CX, after all these years? or are you like myself someone who actually let go of these circus clowns?
Doesn't look like you did let go to me.

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Old 7th Jan 2024, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Klimax
Yes, the consequences are to become reality very, soon, and the bizav community is seeing that right now as well. Nobody is bringing the truth to the table just yet, but soon enough after claiming some more lives that will all change. The same will happen with commercial airline operations, where we are already seeing a substantial increase in incidents and close to accident occurrences. Bring out the popcorns and watch - it´s going to be a nasty 1-3 years ahead of "why did "we" allow this to happen!. You have been warned - clowns.
Staistically, no we're not seeing a 'substantial' increase'. In fact, ICAO's accident and fatality trend is distcinctly down on pre-COVID levels.
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Old 7th Jan 2024, 06:48
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In fact, ICAO's accident and fatality trend is distcinctly down on pre-COVID levels.
I reckon it’s because nobody is listening to their managers harp on about fuel savings anymore and just adds whatever they want.
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Old 7th Jan 2024, 08:12
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More cancellations to save CNY.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nd-of-february
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Old 8th Jan 2024, 05:50
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Just think how much profit we would be making if we actually had pilots to fly all those extra flights?
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Old 8th Jan 2024, 11:09
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Is it lack of pilots ? Is it cabin crew ? Or is it both ?
Or maybe we have enough pilots but in the wrong places !
Or maybe they recalled people too late to save a penny ! Who knows ?!
Now at times where you would expect to make money we cancel !
Once again no heads rolling down the stairs from upper floors.

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Old 8th Jan 2024, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Zi Peng
Is it lack of pilots ? Is it cabin crew ? Or is it both ?
Or maybe we have enough pilots but in the wrong places !
Or maybe they recalled people too late to save a penny ! Who knows ?!
Now at times where you would expect to make money we cancel !
Once gain no heads rolling down the stairs from upper floors.
nothing will happen to upper management, two left without any care in the world believing they made the right decision, while the DFO is scrambling to sell a handbook to the masses.

the board is very negative towards a cost increase in front line operations, they WILL NOT APPROVE any substantial increase.

This leaves lower ranks pedalling a sub-standard contract that will only attract sub standard candidates.

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Old 9th Jan 2024, 11:58
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soon they will take ALL the pilots applying to CX. good news for a lot of ppl. congrats ......
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 13:08
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https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...tensive-flight

Wow, did senior management not advise the government board appointees that closing the bases would be short-sighted? I'm not laughing.... really.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 15:54
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Originally Posted by Goldeye
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...tensive-flight

Wow, did senior management not advise the government board appointees that closing the bases would be short-sighted? I'm not laughing.... really.
There so much to unpack here, but what I foresee is, as the government is cracking down on the company, the company will further crack down on front line staff. Happened during covid, will happen again now.

I will not be surprised if I get an email tomorrow announcing the new sickness management policy. Which no doubt will have the screws further tightened.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 23:59
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Instead you received an email from Head of Flying Training wondering why online courses aren’t being completed, when it was the HFT himself who removed the duty times from your rosters which had allowed these courses to be completed within the AFTL limits.

At a time when the company publicly acknowledges crew are hitting flight and duty time limits, thereby making it more difficult to legally complete online courses, the company simultaneously removes the excess hours added to the RT, making it more difficult still.

Does he actually wonder why these courses aren’t being done, or are these emails a smokescreen and distraction to show the adults in the room he’s proactively doing something, when in reality it’s his actions that have contributed to the undesirable outcome.
i am assuming the HFT isn’t so clueless as to not understand the additional hours on the RT was not an RP issue, but an AFTL mitigation to ensure crew were legal to fly their published roster.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 01:22
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Originally Posted by Progress Wanchai
Instead you received an email from Head of Flying Training wondering why online courses aren’t being completed, when it was the HFT himself who removed the duty times from your rosters which had allowed these courses to be completed within the AFTL limits.

At a time when the company publicly acknowledges crew are hitting flight and duty time limits, thereby making it more difficult to legally complete online courses, the company simultaneously removes the excess hours added to the RT, making it more difficult still.

Does he actually wonder why these courses aren’t being done, or are these emails a smokescreen and distraction to show the adults in the room he’s proactively doing something, when in reality it’s his actions that have contributed to the undesirable outcome.
i am assuming the HFT isn’t so clueless as to not understand the additional hours on the RT was not an RP issue, but an AFTL mitigation to ensure crew were legal to fly their published roster.
Since when were these hours ever counted for AFTLs? It was only ever a duty time limit, and it was interfering with the rostering of minimum rest. Sims aren't counted for the 900 limit.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 04:29
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Perfect time to be arranging some coordinated action. Pity the union is weaker than my granny carrying her shopping.

I hope plenty of people catch COVID or become stressed in the next 2 months.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 05:09
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Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to set up task force over extensive flight cancellations, as airline apologises and says worst passed for latest cuts

This is truly priceless, a taskforce to identify why they have no pilots.

Looking forward to all the reasons apart from contract terms, as that's not what a taskforce is about. It will have to have a major technical reason that can justify a task force.

What a muppet show....


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Old 10th Jan 2024, 08:02
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I wonder if being a lifestyle brand has gotten in the way of being an airline? The beauty of having quietly quit is that I couldn't care less either way.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Bekol delay
Since when were these hours ever counted for AFTLs? It was only ever a duty time limit, and it was interfering with the rostering of minimum rest. Sims aren't counted for the 900 limit.
Since the day the additional hours were added to the RT sessions. Both sims and regulatory online courses count towards cumulative duty time. How is your duty time spent doing online courses now calculated by the company?
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 10:40
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An issue anyone on the line saw coming 12 months ago yet it requires a special taskforce to figure out. How on earth are these managers still in jobs, let alone making still making decisions about how to fix the problem going forward.
Truly laughable, all of it.

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Old 10th Jan 2024, 11:05
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None of us believed they would do it because for sure this would be the result. They can't be that stupid, can they? When they did it it was a shocking surprise. They cut their own throat, and proudly displayed the bloody knife.

Not just cathay but hk in general was so hateful towards expats making good money. They were openly saying let them go, we don't need these expats.
Now they're f'ed because so many expats left.

What made them think if they took away what had to be done for decades to get qualified expats to hk to do jobs hk itself didn't have enough qualified people for, they would still stay or be attracted to keep coming?

Half empty high rises and half staffed airlines.
More brand new high rises and new airplanes they have coming online soon will be making this even worse. The worst has yet to come.

hk government now demanding to know what the f caused this is hilariously comical. They should have protected themselves from unscrupulous employers such as cathay by having laws and regulations preventing what cathay did to its employees with impunity, at least in short term. Long term result is here and it's damaging cathay AND hk and they still don't want to admit to the glaring mistake that caused all this. They can't even take the first step to fix this sh!t show by admitting their mistake, their miscalculation. Therefore it won't get fixed yet.

it's going to get worse for cathay and hk and it's well deserved. It's amusing to watch.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Progress Wanchai
Since the day the additional hours were added to the RT sessions. Both sims and regulatory online courses count towards cumulative duty time. How is your duty time spent doing online courses now calculated by the company?
The duty time is counted for the cumulative duty hour limits; 55 in 7, 95 in 14, and 190 in 28.
These sim and online course hours do not apply to the 28-day 100-hour, and 12-month 900-hour limits which are solely defined by flight time.
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