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Displaced Local Crew

Old 5th Nov 2020, 22:12
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Originally Posted by WeelardPassord View Post
In 2 years time when the transition agreement is over. There will be an exodus of pilots. Terms and conditions will be increased to try to maintain pilots.
Good luck with that
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 22:35
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I am with you on this Eddy and I'd be curious to know who is doing the lobbying for us.

I raised the issue with the president and 1 Comitee member of our union but I could see no interest in going for a fight or using our lawyers for anything alse than explaining the termination documents we received.

Hope you can get a voice with Legco, news outlets and force every of our PR pilot back in the flight deck. What worries me though is that HKG government new CX plans and they did nothing to stop it.
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 22:49
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You might be talking to one of our local pilot who's been in Dragon more than 20 years: He would teach you how to fly,

When sacked we were told leave your details and we might call you for interview: no promise of rehiring or anything else as you suggest.

Locals are not throwing expats under the bus: CX pushed KA under the bus and now KA PR pilots challenge the legality of using contract pilots in Hong Kong.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 01:32
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Bacou, my gripe started last year when the sewer rats from HKA started laying off PR pilots while retaining the @#$! mafia on work permits. Now the KA pilots have suffered a similar plight while being displaced by these same sewer rats in both HKA and Express.

If you are a PR or Passport Holder now is time to get in touch with LEGCO member and former airline pilot Jeremy Tam, you can find his details online.

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Old 6th Nov 2020, 01:58
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"brown mafia" wow a racist as well.
You do know those sewer rats as you put it joined in 2010-2012 so all hold PR. so what's the plan? fire them all to create jobs for the dragon guys?

HKA is hanging by a thread and still not renewing guys coming up to their 3 year renewals. Dragons demise is nothing to do with HKA.

Keep banging your drum!
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 02:12
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How Hong Kong is this thread.? me me me. Use anything and everything to get some advantage over ones colleagues, lest of all, merit. Better if HK had just remained a barren shitty rock on the coast of China.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by cabbages View Post
Steady on Eddy.......icemankk2001 is from Malaysia and he's your biggest fan
good try.... try again next time.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 02:53
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Funny thing is that not a small number of western pilots are usually quite anti-migration, passionately support brexit and nationalism etc.

Maybe a time to contemplate.

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Old 6th Nov 2020, 05:34
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One little problem with ditching all the expats - there aren't enough locals to safely fly the aeroplanes, even with the reduced flights. Not the locals fault, just the way it is. I actually wish the locals luck, as it would piss me off to see a round eye turn up and keep a job when a local is fired, but until there is a way for locals to gain meaningful experience expats will be required.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 05:34
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Eddy

wind your neck in, “Brown mafia”, “sewer rats”, you sound like a bitter and twisted angry racist.

With that attitude you wouldn’t have a snowflakes chance in hell in passing selection at either HKA or HKE.

Good luck
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 06:02
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I think Eddy sees the aforementioned demographic as an easy target to be thrown to the trash pile. As if immigration are going to come steaming in to get rid of the Phillipines, Indonesians and Malaysians, irrespective of the fact that they hold PR, have mortgages and families here as well.
The DFO, you know approved by the CAD , is Malaysian by the way and a PR.

Eddy all your previous 15 or so posts stink of a lawyer looking for your next quick buck at the expense of others misfortune. My comment to keep chasing those ambulances remains valid.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 06:02
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You're right Ecam321 edited for being a bit harsh, but sewer rats YES there have been plenty over the years in HKA feathering their own nests treating everyone like $h!t.

Controlledrest there are a few hundred expat KA guys and ex HKA guys with permanent residence status who are qualified and meet the local workforce criteria.

SW1 any PR holder regardless of their demographic has the right of abode and unrestricted employment that is what this thread is about and they deserve to be here. Red white green brown from Mars if you're on a work permit you are displacing unemployed locally qualified crew.

Best of luck.
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Old 6th Nov 2020, 06:10
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And once again. The ones that were let go at HKA with PR status were let go for a reason. Some had personnel file issues. To be honest the longer you've been in a company the more probability you've taken the piss with sick leave, missed duty, unavailable during standby. Then there's the negligence cases: If you're going to have a Vr of 194 knots instead of 149 and only realize at 180 knots on the runway, then you don't deserve a seat up front regardless of immigration status!

keep fighting the good fight


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Old 6th Nov 2020, 07:58
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Controlledrest there are a few hundred expat KA guys and ex HKA guys with permanent residence status who are qualified and meet the local workforce criteria.
Your point? I said that if you get rid of the expat pilots there aren't enough good local pilots to safely operate the schedule. The few hundred you mention aren't enough. CX still needs expat aircrew (even though they now pretend we are all locals). If you want to start stacking airframes (Lion Air etc) then get rid of the skilled expats. Current path will result in needless deaths, no need to accelerate it.
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 08:10
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
Funny thing is that not a small number of western pilots are usually quite anti-migration, passionately support brexit and nationalism etc.

Maybe a time to contemplate.
Anti immigration?, WTF, point out one western pilot who is migrating to HK. LOL
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 08:13
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South africans?
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 09:51
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Really, well they are a bit different I guess. Is it successfully happening though? And would fast Eddy accept them as equals?
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 10:02
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White people like to call themselves expats, but they are still migrants, like it or not.

Ironically, a many "expats" are quite often strongly opposed to migration of labor ( e.g. Brexit) to their own country.

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Old 8th Nov 2020, 10:45
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migrate-"to permanently relocate", look it up, some basic education required.
Yeah, normally in the past "white people" have temporarily relocated to isolated barren s$^tholes, built something worthwhile there, created refuge and opportunities to the natives, even teach them to manipulate computer controlled machines and the way of the world, then bugger off happily. They have never been shown any gratitude by said local inhabitants but are content to take their pot of Gold and never look back, worked for me.
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 10:47
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How many of these have P1 type ratings on 777/747/A350 and hours on type? None! These are the arguments that would be made in response.

The idea that you should remove employees many whom are highly qualified in their roles and been there for many years to make way for someone else just because they happen to be a local is ludicrous. Whilst I fully support your conviction that new hires should wherever possible assuming the correct qualifications come from the local populace not just here in Hong Kong but in every sovereign nation, I just find your notion of kicking out current employees ludicrous and overtly racist!
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