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Old 12th Nov 2020, 13:03
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Originally Posted by fly1981 View Post
Stupid question. How does PR work for an expat? Is it guaranteed once you hit the 7year mark( I believe thatís the number? ) or is it applied for and left up to the discretion of the immigration department?
Itís applied for and left up to the discretion of the Immigration Department (aka Xi and his thugs up north), so better start deleting all those social media accounts, youíre being monitored.

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 13:04
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anyone whose been here more than 3 years has a permanent contract(contingent on holding a valid work visa) but its 7 years to achieve PR.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 13:11
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Ah, ok. So for the expats that are approaching the PR requirement, it could possibly be rejected...not ideal. I still think having a permanent contract you will be ok, fixed term, not so much.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 13:43
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As far as I am aware when you get your PR status your employment doesn't come into it. When I attained my PR a few years ago they weren't interested in my job but guess as my employment visa was valid that was covered, they just wanted proof I had lived in Hong Kong continuously for 7 years, had no outstanding Hong Kong tax liability and had to make a declaration that I had taken Hong Kong as my permanent home!

Interestingly enough you can obtain a permanent Hong Kong work visa not limited to a particular company after 7 years in Hong Kong if you aren't able to make a declaration that you have taken Hong Kong as your permanent home! (Your a commuter or something) only restriction is you must be present in Hong Kong once a year! It's called unconditional stay and you get a new ID card and stamp in your passport similar to PR, just a little more restrictive as PR for a non Chinese National expires if you are gone from Hong Kong for 3 years or more where as Unconditional stay status expires after 1.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:07
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It's unfortunate for anyone that loses a job and If I was in that boat I would be shattered but let's not forget that if this were any other place i.e USA, UK, Brazil, mainland China, or anywhere, the first to go would be the visa holders. Airlines in Hong Kong cant justify employing overseas pilots with hundreds of unemployed in Hong Kong.

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:17
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Not wanting to split hairs here but, you do understand that Hong Kong ,although marginally less xenophobic than the rest, is part of China?
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:18
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well then the airline that fired them should be accountable. not a local competitor that had nothing to do with it. at the end of the day who cares? these people will fick off with big tax bills if they're fired. good luck tracking them down in sao Paulo.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:21
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Sorry but that is just nonsense. In the UK anyway, as much as certain people would probably want to do that it wouldn't happen as it is racist, derogatory, illegal & just plain wrong. BA & Virgin made British citizens redundant and there are many British airline pilots currently unemployed with non British nationals in the cockpit at BA & Virgin, I can guarantee that not a single pilot in those airlines would condone terminating their employment to make way for a native British citizen, it is just ludicrous and offensive! Once you have attained the right to land your in, doesn't matter your creed, colour, religion or background. If you have a work permit then you are legal and as far as I am concerned welcome.

I have found the racial undertones of this thread quite revealing but then after more than a decade in Hong Kong I am not surprised in the slightest.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:24
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hk world city my arse
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:35
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I believe the intent of the Immigration law is not to employ NEW hires from overseas if there is a suitably qualified local workforce. This would be the same as most countries as discussed previously.

Then there are the visa renewals. A company must declare something like "I am requesting this visa to be renewed because there are no qualified pilots locally"

By declaring this in this current environment would be fraudulent and that person and company could find themself in a world of hurt if this was proven otherwise.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 14:58
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This is one of those "told you so" moments. The Hong Kong immigration department is doing exactly what is should do, protecting and promoting local employment. This would be exactly the same in your home country, it's a shock to the system because we have been living in an ever expanding aviation bubble. Hong Kong will no longer be the place where work permits are handed out like cheap crew meals on a busy flight.

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 15:22
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well then Eddy. hong kong will be seeing an unprecedented fly by night departures from guys(and their families ) whose jobs have just been stolen from them to make way for your boys. immigration don't stop you to ask if you've paid youre tax before you leave. There you go "I've told you so" I'm counting 300 guys in the next 2 months.

These guys can't legally exceed their stay so will be gone. like guys djd in the arab states. no extradition treaties thanks to Carrie.I'm sure you'll be lobbying jeremy tam when they're gone. mpf for less than 5 years is nothing
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Its tax month in January...oh wait

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 15:35
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SW1, you must be on a work visa with those under tones. If you had been here long enough to understand the system correctly you would know that after year one of employment provisional tax is paid in advance for the following year to prevent that above from happening. Your final pay notice goes to the IRD and they will with hold taxes owing and pay the difference from your provisional payment.

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 15:40
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**** off eddy. been here long enough and paid enough tax to know. your contract invalidates so they don't have to pay you anything you're talking about year 1. yes you get charged double. what about year 5?

how long have you been here? just quoting crap from the immigration website. inland revenue. youre a lawyer.

And we pay the tax ********. not the company. if jobs are stolen-hk will just be a bad dream for people. who the hell will gladly stay here on an expired visa with no possibility of work. we all came here for the job. remove that and its nothing

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 17:06
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just curious ,do BA and Virgin hire EU nationals and do EU airlines hire U.K. Nationals?

ps nothing meant by this !

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 23:33
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Yes to both. Language requirements (Dutch / French etc ) an obvious requirement in certain cases. However they have done so for years. And up until recently UK citizens were EU nationals.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 00:07
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well then the airline that fired them should be accountable. not a local competitor that had nothing to do with it. at the end of the day who cares? these people will fick off with big tax bills if they're fired. good luck tracking them down in sao Paulo.
what local competitor are you referring to?
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 00:25
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I'm referring to HKA
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 01:32
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robbing peter to pay paul
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 02:07
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They were hired because HK had a pilot shortage and were eligible for a work visa. There is no longer a pilot shortage so there are no grounds for renewal or issuance of a work visa.
It really isn’t difficult to understand.
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