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Displaced Local Crew

Old 8th Nov 2020, 11:21
  #41 (permalink)  
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deja vu

Maybe let me give you some basic education:

migrate = temporary
immigrate = permanent


We are all migrants. And now maybe not so needed anymore. As I said, maybe a time for contemplation on the hardships of migrants and the merits of nationalism. But reading your comments I expect you are not open for that kind of reflection just yet.

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Old 8th Nov 2020, 14:50
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Oh and how about the 500 people with 330/320 ratings of which 1/2 are locals, many of whom are captains or training captains?
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Old 8th Nov 2020, 18:36
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And what exactly does that have to do with the price of tea in China? In the original comments the OP condoned kicking out SOs and JFOs who aren't yet PR from their jobs in Cathay to make way for PR holders from KA! As of yet Cathay doesn't operate 320s. It's just silly to suggest existing cathay employees should make way for redundant PR holders in Hong Kong from other airlines! Imagine the message that this would send, Hong Kong would see a mass exodus of jobs as corporations move to places such as Singapore out of fear they would have to sack their experienced employees and hire PR holders every time someone in their respective industry was unemployed!

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Old 9th Nov 2020, 01:33
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What about them?
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 09:23
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Sam Ting Wong

Nice try but no second prizes in the adult world.

The one thing you and your treacherous mates forget is that market forces will probably decide who gets to stay or go, despite your desperate attempts to climb over anyone and everyone.

Blind Freddy can see why CX and the late KA were so popular in HKG and it was what differentiated them from just another mainland carrier. Lets see, was it those awful migrants?
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 12:02
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Its all about training. One that basis you condem the incumbents for not doing a decent job then from start to finish.
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 12:10
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Not at all, not casting aspersions on anyone or standards. What I'm saying is its all about perception and how the paying customer sees it.
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 15:46
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Customers don’t give a
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 19:29
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To be more precise, they don’t give two hoots about who is sitting up front picking their noses and punching buttons.
What they do care about is the quality of cabin service, for the most part, little of which is delivered by “migrants”.
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 22:17
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Some of my local (Chinese) friends have told me they fly CX because of who's up front. They told me they want to be flown by westerners. Small sample of the population, I know. In general the majority will follow the cheapest ticket, but if CX where smart they would chase the premium market with a premium product. In normal times there are plenty of pax to be had, but our mis-managers chose to cut costs and safety in a race to the bottom. CX managers are after numbers not margins.
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 22:22
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Originally Posted by EddyTemple View Post

If you are a PR or Passport Holder now is time to get in touch with LEGCO member and former airline pilot Jeremy Tam, you can find his details online.
Good luck with that.

LEGGO is controlled by business owners and the Red Scum to the north. They aren't going to help the worker. We are just a commodity to them. The board has spent months with advisers, lawyers and the government working on the game plan. They don't give a about you, fairness, your contract or your rights.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 01:19
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I joined CX in 1988. Shortly thereafter they implemented the SO cadet program. Over 32 years, I have had the pleasure to fly with some of the best local pilots HK could have ever asked for. The difference from then to now is this: Back in 1988, CX hired the very best candidates. They genuinely wished to be involved in aviation, and CX. The early SO cadre have proven to be amongst the best pilots in CX. I would happily fly my family with nearly all of them as the Captain. However, over the past 15 years or so, the standards have dropped. Although many of the local pilots trained and hired in that period are very good, there is certainly evidence that a portion of them should never be let near an aircraft (and to be fair...quite a few of the expats fall in that category as well). The simple fact is that the company has dumbed down their standards year on year. That is the simple fact of the matter. My main point is that the early local pilots are deserving of our respect and courtesy. They have earned their place.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 02:16
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Mngmt, you are claiming there is "evidence" for your allegation that lately the quality of cadets has decreased.


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Old 10th Nov 2020, 02:52
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It's an opinion STW. The evidence is my experience as a C and T over the years. You are of course welcome to refute. You might want to take note that I mentioned that there were questionable expats in the mix as well.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 03:12
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
Customers donít give a
I presume you have discussed this with the marketing people, yeah!. CX and KA for years have exploited the gweilo angle in every advertisement featuring cockpit crew at every opportunity. Might be a nice shot of a happy cohesive team but the boss guy with all the stripes will be grey haired migrant. Why would you think thats what the customer wanted ?
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 03:20
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mngmt mole

Similar experience over at KA, the difference at KA was that there were no SO's, these guys/girls went straight to the RHS of a 320 or 330 with around 300 hours total after line training. I had previously thought my single pilot IFR days were behind me. To give credit were its due, many did very well, others nit so much. Not sure its what the pax signed on for though!
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 12:24
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It's already started, friends. This week several pilots from 3 different airlines have had the crew work visa renewal rejected. If you are here on a work visa, prepare to lose your job on your next work visa renewal. Locals can now claim what is rightfully theirs. A job in their home country. Don't complain about it. It's the same back in your home country. The local workforce has priority over foreign visa holders. There is no denying that there is "local talent" available to perform the task. Work visa holders = taking Hong Kongers jobs. Don't cry about it. It's a fact of life.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 12:35
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Good news too.girls!
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 12:46
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and then what? you think the local airlines have to pass you because you're a local. immigration doesn't set the bar. stop gloating you sound like a dick.

Hope you're treated the same when you one day decide to get out of here. 2 girls one cup a notoriously disgusting scene. fits you aptly.

and dragon pacific and the rest of you arseholes that relish this. enjoy your 60% paycut till March. 58000 for the next 4 months. or should you be paid full salary as you're local?

do you think the local girls working in HR will love you as they're on reduced salary as well? This isn't the Russian army of 1945. you're not coming in to save anyone.

Youre a new joiner so that might be your COS. food for thought

Last edited by SW1; 12th Nov 2020 at 13:59.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 12:57
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That was to be expected. I doubt it will affect many expat cx pilots, they are not on fixed term contracts, your work visa depends on you having a contract to work in hk? So if you are already here, and your contract is in place, I doubt they would cancel your work visa based on the fact their are Ďlocalí pilots available. Hke on the other hand as far as I know are on fixed term contracts, which are renewable, they are not obligated to renew those contracts, hka has done that to plenty of pilots recently.
Stupid question. How does PR work for an expat? Is it guaranteed once you hit the 7year mark( I believe thatís the number? ) or is it applied for and left up to the discretion of the immigration department?
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