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Old 14th Nov 2020, 12:53
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Originally Posted by fly1981 View Post
The same hr department that announced no more redundancies on Monday,however, half of fop disappeared on Thursday? A word of wise to the new kid on the block, don’t trust a word they say.
I'm sorry but you are not the only airline in HK. despite Danny only reporting on you when times are good. Or making sure its known other airlines are really doing bad. Loved his great news HKE flights to nowhere article(smallprint HKA did it first ) he's got shares in CX by the way. There are other airlines with their own HR departments.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:08
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🤣’you are not the only airline in hk’, who is the ‘you’, you are referring to SW1?
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:15
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I presume YOU are at CX or affiliates or am I talking with SCMPs own aviation expert?I am honored sir. I put you around 38 years old
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:20
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If you refer to the post I was commenting on, exam321 is at hke...( from what I gather) hke is now cx owned. Which means the hr department that ULTIMATELY controls hke is cx...cx announced on Monday there would be no further redundancies, but yet Thursday half of FOP disappeared...?
no no, the honor is all mine, clearly, you must be a genius!
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:26
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and I'm at HKA. you want to tell me what they did on monday? oh no. nothing. There are other HR departments. outside of your bubble. the fact you asked before what local competition there was speaks dividends
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:30
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Good on you mate, it’s a place I would much rather be. Nobody really cares what hka did on Monday. In hk, there is cx, there was ka, and now there is hke. Hka is but a small drop in the ocean amongst the swire built empire. If you think hka is competition to this empire, you dreaming.

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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:41
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I find your assumptions on the id91 form comical. Just because you were issued a work visa under the 990B, doesn't automatically give you endless extensions because you filed the id91 request. The id 91 requires immigration approval if it didn't need approval then why create the form. Considering the current circumstances these extensions should be and will be denied to protect the local market.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 13:42
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all hail. you didn't even ascertain which HR ECAM321 was referring too. as the swire reich owns everyone in your mind MATE.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 14:00
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swire owns everyone in hk that matters😉besides greater bay, which could pose a risk in the future. However, this is irrelevant in terms of the topic being discussed. Back to the topic...
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 14:18
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Eddy prove it. Youre all talk at the moment. at least back your claims up with immigration or labor ordinance.You know 600 unemployed pilots can still come at you with lawyers etc quoting unfair dismissal. Or is it just thats life sorry kids just dissappear.it works both ways. You want a fight, you will have it.

You think HK wants multiple bankruptcies as guys have been terminated immediately, can't pay tax etc. had loans, mortgages. you'll get your fee im sure. if not back to injury lawyers for you or whatever hole you crawled out of
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 14:45
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yeah back peddle genius
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 14:52
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Because it expires after two years, if you don't renew it you will overstaying and risk the associated penalties. 2 years / 2 years / 3 years then PR.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 14:57
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which means you have to submit an ID91 form. that ultimately has to be approved.Do you know how much buracracy and redtape there is in HK? I'm surprised the forms and photocopies are so few.

And its 2,3,3. now. Youre welcome
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 16:28
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Iím not sure how you are justifying that just because you have a PR and a HK CaD license makes you entitled to have a pilot job with a Hongkong based airline.

so what you are saying is donít renew expats visa and hope that the local force can pass the interview process , training , and all the hoops to replace a current online pilot? Does that make any sense to

I understand if they are rehiring for new positions then your argument is justified.


what Iím saying is just because you have a license and PR does not make you qualified to be immediately replacing a work force alrdy in place.

when rehiring happens, which will be sooner than expected. I definitely agree locals PR should have the priority and opportunity to interview before looking outside talents.

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Old 15th Nov 2020, 06:38
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In the eyes of the government, will there be a difference between PR and a HK passport holder?

Or will a PR be seen as just another expat, albeit one who’s passed a longevity test?
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 07:23
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No difference. But for KA pilots being interviewed for Loong Air it is being done in Mandarin which leaves the expats at a bit of a disadvantage. I imagine the same kind of filter will apply here.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 11:27
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so Cantonese speakers only? good luck. Its the airlines equipment at the end of the day. They will Ultimately decide who flies that. They can put ELP level 6 requirements if they want, higher hours, experience in 2 airlines etc. despite what eddy says. Give it a rest.

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Old 15th Nov 2020, 12:43
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Originally Posted by EddyTemple View Post
This is one of those "told you so" moments. The Hong Kong immigration department is doing exactly what is should do, protecting and promoting local employment. This would be exactly the same in your home country, it's a shock to the system because we have been living in an ever expanding aviation bubble. Hong Kong will no longer be the place where work permits are handed out like cheap crew meals on a busy flight.

Best of luck.
this may be the case, however, experience still needs to be considered. Whether you like it or not, the experience required to run the cx group airlines entirely does not exist in the local population. Yes, there are local pilots available, but very few with extensive experience. Besides, if you are considering the ka local pilots, most were cadets, they have been to Shanghai and Beijing a couple of thousand times, but thatís it. As far as Ďexperienceí goes, they are very inexperienced in terms of the overall cx network. Throw them into anchorage/New York/Chicago on a rough winters evening and you will realize just what experience they have. I am not undermining their ability, but one has to be realistic. This is by no means the end of expats at cx, donít get too excited, there are only 200-300 local pilots looking for work, they will be absorbed quick enough.

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Old 15th Nov 2020, 15:28
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so superhero, how many times have you had rough winter evenings? Seriously. The number of rough approaches I’ve had with CX in 20 years (admittedly I don’t get as phased as the antipodeans) can be counted on one hand. The worst approaches I have witnessed were from the RHS to the expat arrogant skippers who would not make the grade today.

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Old 15th Nov 2020, 15:54
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Spot on Hugo , same here! Some pilots love to claim WB flying is so difficult compared to NB .
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