COS18
Joined: Aug 2017
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From: Hong Kong
Nobody is forced to accept COS 18, and no one was forced to accept HKPA.
The real problem is that people join believing there will be improvements later in the career.
It appears some on HKPA haven't understood that.
The real problem is that people join believing there will be improvements later in the career.
It appears some on HKPA haven't understood that.
Joined: Jul 2018
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From: uk
KA have not stated the current leave scheme is changing. They advised the DPA that it was CX who wanted rid of it. We are all quite happy with it. It's worked fine for years. Not a good idea to get rid of it if they want industrial peace and roster stability. There have to be reasons to stay. The leave scheme definitely affects pilot retention in KA.
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3
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From: UK London
Is DPA planning to do anything about this? Is DPA doing anything to protect our future members?
The KA cadets training in FTA and L3, resigned their previous job, only half way in training to find their salary in the future is 30% less, with potentially none of the leave scheme promised...
The KA cadets training in FTA and L3, resigned their previous job, only half way in training to find their salary in the future is 30% less, with potentially none of the leave scheme promised...
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 29
Likes: 1
From: Asia
Pathetic
No 13th month.
No pay/HKPA deal.
4 years of ineffective industrial action.
Now COS18... The current crop of cadets in Adelaide have already accepted the new deal.
Trainers are still training.
The same sycophants will help out during the typhoon.
We are a sorry and pathetic bunch who deserve everything we get.
Or will we grow some balls for once?
Yeah, right.
I’m done. I can’t wait to get out of here.
No pay/HKPA deal.
4 years of ineffective industrial action.
Now COS18... The current crop of cadets in Adelaide have already accepted the new deal.
Trainers are still training.
The same sycophants will help out during the typhoon.
We are a sorry and pathetic bunch who deserve everything we get.
Or will we grow some balls for once?
Yeah, right.
I’m done. I can’t wait to get out of here.
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
From: UK
KA FOP management ( such as it is ) doesn't call the shots anymore. It was the CX DFO who announced the new COS18 for the group and it is the CX DFO who will try to merge the seniority lits and it will be the CX DFO who changes the leave system for the Cathay GROUP airlines. Don't you get it. The KA and CX days are over. It's GROUP airlines now.
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 68
Likes: 8
From: FL310
What Tyson said well done!
So many losers on here always wanting someone else AKA KA to make a stand.
STW says it how it is. Kudos to him most of you don’t want to hear it
Anyone concidering joining please please do your homework. I now have absolutely no passion for flying aeroplanes my moral is in the toilet and my work ethic sucks arse. It’s not my character and I’m not proud of it, that’s what you have to
look forward to.
It’s no secret a combined seniority list has been on the cards for years probably should have happened years ago IMHO
Social media is probably the most powerful tool in the shed in today’s world
just sayin
So many losers on here always wanting someone else AKA KA to make a stand.
STW says it how it is. Kudos to him most of you don’t want to hear it
Anyone concidering joining please please do your homework. I now have absolutely no passion for flying aeroplanes my moral is in the toilet and my work ethic sucks arse. It’s not my character and I’m not proud of it, that’s what you have to
look forward to.
It’s no secret a combined seniority list has been on the cards for years probably should have happened years ago IMHO
Social media is probably the most powerful tool in the shed in today’s world
just sayin
Last edited by BubbaJ; 13th September 2018 at 16:32.
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 601
Likes: 0
From: England
What Tyson said well done!
So many losers on here always wanting someone else AKA KA to make a stand.
STW says it how it is. Kudos to him most of you don’t want to hear it
Anyone concidering joining please please do your homework. I now have absolutely no passion for flying aeroplanes my moral is in the toilet and my work ethic sucks arse. It’s not my character and I’m not proud of it, that’s what you have to
look forward to.
It’s no secret a combined seniority list has been on the cards for years probably should have happened years ago IMHO
Social media is probably the most powerful tool in the shed in today’s world
just sayin
So many losers on here always wanting someone else AKA KA to make a stand.
STW says it how it is. Kudos to him most of you don’t want to hear it
Anyone concidering joining please please do your homework. I now have absolutely no passion for flying aeroplanes my moral is in the toilet and my work ethic sucks arse. It’s not my character and I’m not proud of it, that’s what you have to
look forward to.
It’s no secret a combined seniority list has been on the cards for years probably should have happened years ago IMHO
Social media is probably the most powerful tool in the shed in today’s world
just sayin
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 88
Likes: 0
From: In Sin
The DPA are asking for feedback from its members, to produce a question bank to put to company management.
A wee bit pointless, as the COS is inplace.
The days of annual pay rises at KA are done. The COS negotiations for next year are already looking like a damp squib.
The DPA president had a confidential meeting with the bosses. All rather hush hush the result.
However, its looking like zero pay increase for a three year period, starting in April 2019 until March 2022.
A wee bit pointless, as the COS is inplace.
The days of annual pay rises at KA are done. The COS negotiations for next year are already looking like a damp squib.
The DPA president had a confidential meeting with the bosses. All rather hush hush the result.
However, its looking like zero pay increase for a three year period, starting in April 2019 until March 2022.
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3
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From: UK London
COS18 moves everything from salary to annual leave to the so called pilot's handbook.
Virtually nothing at all anymore is protected by our contractual rights.
Who will be willing to voluntary opt in for this piece of shXt?
For those of you who have a choice, you have been warned not to come!
Virtually nothing at all anymore is protected by our contractual rights.
Who will be willing to voluntary opt in for this piece of shXt?
For those of you who have a choice, you have been warned not to come!
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 148
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From: Hong Kong
So we have 4 years of a training ban that has/hasn’t achieved much. I’m not informed enough to be opinionated. One thing is has achieved has been to make those still in training very valuable to the company. It wasn’t that long ago that the company brought in TCC to avoid upgrading more STC and avoid the cost. Can’t argue that the training ban by the rank and file has been great for those still in training. And the trainers feel the AOA isn’t supportive of them, a valid point, yet they would only have leverage via the AOA because of the very training ban they don’t support.
At the same time we have those not in the AOA bemoaning the fact that they’re not getting any (possible) assistance from the AOA during a difficult financial situation with liveaboards.
As a pilot body could we be any more confused?
At the same time we have those not in the AOA bemoaning the fact that they’re not getting any (possible) assistance from the AOA during a difficult financial situation with liveaboards.
As a pilot body could we be any more confused?
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 98
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From: Hong kong
The AOA has been a disfunctional body since 99 , it has no teeth because the membership is weak , too many self serving interests . If the pilot body for once stood together and said screw cos18 . This is what we are demanding instead and be prepared to walk it would be done in a couple of weeks . If all the trainers resigned with total support of the members it would add even more pressure work , but in that instance anyone taking a training position would be dealt with and I don’t mean a letter
Sorry I was dreaming that we actually had a Union fit for purpose
Sorry I was dreaming that we actually had a Union fit for purpose
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 0
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From: uk
So we have 4 years of a training ban that has/hasn’t achieved much. I’m not informed enough to be opinionated. One thing is has achieved has been to make those still in training very valuable to the company. It wasn’t that long ago that the company brought in TCC to avoid upgrading more STC and avoid the cost. Can’t argue that the training ban by the rank and file has been great for those still in training. And the trainers feel the AOA isn’t supportive of them, a valid point, yet they would only have leverage via the AOA because of the very training ban they don’t support.
At the same time we have those not in the AOA bemoaning the fact that they’re not getting any (possible) assistance from the AOA during a difficult financial situation with liveaboards.
As a pilot body could we be any more confused?
At the same time we have those not in the AOA bemoaning the fact that they’re not getting any (possible) assistance from the AOA during a difficult financial situation with liveaboards.
As a pilot body could we be any more confused?
United we stand, divided we fall.
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 748
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From: HK-CRoC
Dysfunctional ?
The AOA has been a disfunctional body since 99 , it has no teeth because the membership is weak , too many self serving interests . If the pilot body for once stood together and said screw cos18 . This is what we are demanding instead and be prepared to walk it would be done in a couple of weeks . If all the trainers resigned with total support of the members it would add even more pressure work , but in that instance anyone taking a training position would be dealt with and I don’t mean a letter
Sorry I was dreaming that we actually had a Union fit for purpose
Sorry I was dreaming that we actually had a Union fit for purpose
You get what you vote (or not) for... then you pay the price.
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 336
Likes: 2
From: Australia
Things have changed in Hong Kong there are thousands of locals who want to join CX/KA now, it's taken decades but Swire knows this, they don't NEED expats anymore local cadets are the future, why do you think the recruitment department has now gone to HR, eventually the pay will equal that of a policeman or fireman. Expats will continue the fight but eventually the union will fold, I'm guessing 10 years and it'll be over.
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 898
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From: No where
10 years? It's over NOW. No further debate needed. The only people attracted to CX now will be the very young/inexperienced, or the desperate. It seems that is perfectly acceptable to CX. For those here between 28 and 45, you are MAD to stay a day longer if you can get out. CX has now said that C scale is the new A scale, and is a target. Anyone remaining will find their career value, security and stability eroded, threatened and crushed. CX management no long care about experience, safety, legacy, reputation or outcome. It is over. The only question now is who goes down with this sinking ship, and with it any hope for their families and careers.