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Old 12th Sep 2018, 10:06
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STW, Yep its cheaper for airlines to park aircraft and cancel flights than to pay its crew correctly but hey since you don't care its not your concern
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:02
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I am almost impressed by their chutzpah.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:26
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
KA union given a heads up last week.
Really??? What was the heads up, as you seem to be clued in...

i wont say I smell bullshit as you enjoy the confrontation.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:49
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Originally Posted by KABOY View Post

Really??? What was the heads up, as you seem to be clued in...

i wont say I smell bullshit as you enjoy the confrontation.
Email from DFO last Wednesday and it was discussed in the week before the KA pay deal was agreed. Hence the rush to sign it you knew what was coming. Don't deny it.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 11:53
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Easy.
Group-wide training ban, wef 01Dec18 (the day CoS18 becomes effective).
Anything less and we will be complicit in the destruction of our profession.
It really is that simple.

K.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:06
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60K education...... which school in HK?
Home school? Sure that'd be an attractive selling pt
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:14
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A travesty. A sick joke and an affront on our profession. Anyone who isnt now planning on leaving deserves what they get. Its hard to comprehend how far this airline has fallen. Tragic.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:28
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Email from DFO last Wednesday and it was discussed in the week before the KA pay deal was agreed. Hence the rush to sign it you knew what was coming. Don't deny it.
What are you on about? On refection, the only heads up the KA guys may have had is the resignation of our Head of Training a few weeks ago ( sorry I don't know his correct title ). DPA found out today or just recently? I think we are in this together.

This is a brave counter-attack by the company that will only work if CX and KA pilots are truly routed.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:31
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mngmt mole, are you saying you are now escalating from seriously looking to planning to leave?
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:38
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also good to know that there are many wannabes lurking on this forum. sure they'd know where this 18 standard lies.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 13:40
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14 month from retirement STW. But I recieved your fatuous comment for the mindless value it represented. Perhaps you might want to comment on the value of the CX career to those under the age of 45? Ie: "0"
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 13:51
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My point is people will still join and enough of us will stay.

I suggest to finally get on with it and sign the offered deal. It will not get better, we already lost 5% because unfortunately nobody listened to me. If we don't it will get even worse.

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Old 12th Sep 2018, 13:54
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Interesting way to "make your point" STW. I believe you are the only one who understands your cleverness.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 14:00
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Achievements during CC and training ban ( as we speak):

- no 5 % pay increase
- no 2 year housing deal
- no HKPA increase
- closure of MAN
- no more basings
- D scale
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 14:06
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Then attack the company and not your fellow pilots. Seriously...
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 14:24
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Fair point. My apologies, it was meamt as a joke about pilots who seem to talk a lot about leaving but never do. Nothing personal.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 14:27
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STW, many pilots ARE leaving (and COS 18 will turbocharge that trend). Let's put this one to bed shall we? (btw, I see you "are new here", "0" posts....otherwise known as management. Thanks for suggesting we should just "get on with it and sign the new deal". Are management really getting this desperate?)
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 15:27
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This really is Cathay on it's death bed. The airline is completely screwed, and short term cost-cutting will kill it off completely.

Who in THEIR RIGHT MINDS would accept these terms knowing the cost of living and career prospect implications in Hong Kong?

Only one group - South African refugees. That's who this **** jellyfish is catering for, that much is clear. A slight increase in HKPA, overseas kid's education, commute to SA with the low cost of living, simples, come on over, the water is lovely.

NOW is the time to enact a group wide training ban, KA and CX. I should think a recruitment ban. Or maybe even a full on strike. Most of us don't care anymore.

Biggest mistake I ever made joining this sh!t shower of an airline.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 15:47
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Who in THEIR RIGHT MINDS would accept these terms knowing the cost of living and career prospect implications in Hong Kong?
lol, the same thing was said a few years ago. Trust me, the spikey haired brigade (MKII) will turn up and pay for their training.....
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 16:21
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Industrial action is the only method that KA should look to enforcing. Two airlines in CC, although not the end of the world for them, would certainly show the public that things are bleak across the entire group. Time to find your balls fellas. Seems you lost them a few months ago when you voted YES to 0%! The only way of redeeming yourselves is to convince the sympathisers amongst your lot that GOOD WILL goes unnoticed and exposes your weaknessesss. They will try and convince you that itís only applicable to new joiners but they have effectively eliminated any possibility of an improvement on current contracts. The trainers are the backbone of their plan. They will decide the fate of this company.
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