COS18
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Hong Kong
Just when you thought this place couldn't get any worse! If they can't attract talent now, how do they think they are going to with a massive reduction (destruction) in conditions?
At least we will know the I.Q. of anyone joining on these conditions...
At least we will know the I.Q. of anyone joining on these conditions...
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: FL370
Any chance the AOA will come to the conclusion that now is the perfect time to withhold ALL goodwill, and continue CC, including through the weekend and any unfortunately timed weather that might be present?
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: planet ****witt
Designed to undermine your condition of service. Good luck getting an adequate increase in the future with a new D scale.
Good job painting the future for all of us who have not applied to airlines back home. Such a pity
Good job painting the future for all of us who have not applied to airlines back home. Such a pity
Joined: Jul 2014
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From: Hong Kong
All stick and no carrot.
And the real reason for CMP is brought up:
"Target annual block hours have been set at a high, but attainable level [...] and will be supported by the new CMP enabling pilots to achieve target productivity levels." I assume that will be 900?
Thank you, HKAOA.
And the real reason for CMP is brought up:
"Target annual block hours have been set at a high, but attainable level [...] and will be supported by the new CMP enabling pilots to achieve target productivity levels." I assume that will be 900?
Thank you, HKAOA.
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: Australia
How do we know it's 900 max it could be 1200 or no bunk credit, we have also received a cut as we will eventually be doing all regional for maximum productivity and minimum hours the new crew will do all the hours just to get a full pay cheque.
We are the HKAOA what will we do? Trainers are you going to train yourself into a lower pay scale?
I'm all right Jack 😠
We are the HKAOA what will we do? Trainers are you going to train yourself into a lower pay scale?
I'm all right Jack 😠
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 552
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From: Hong Kong
DESIGNED TO ATTRACT TOP TALENT
Eligible for discretionary year end bonus and profit share🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Sadly, things will not change here. For those with options it would be prudent to explore and act on them; for those yet to join, it’s buyer beware!
The embarrassment continues...
Eligible for discretionary year end bonus and profit share🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Sadly, things will not change here. For those with options it would be prudent to explore and act on them; for those yet to join, it’s buyer beware!
The embarrassment continues...
Joined: May 2009
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From: HKG
With this new contract surely we need to demand CMP requests are awarded in strict seniority. Transparency will be the only way to assure those on 08/99 are not just given the low productive trips resulting in min days off, but reaching 84 hours.
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Here and Everywhere
Where do I sign?
After all I love paying 50% of my gross wage to rent a semi decent (by HK standards) size village house in the middle of nowhere!
At least Emirates gives you that for free with utilities included if that is your comparison .....
After all I love paying 50% of my gross wage to rent a semi decent (by HK standards) size village house in the middle of nowhere!
At least Emirates gives you that for free with utilities included if that is your comparison .....
Joined: Aug 2017
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From: Hong Kong
Many of those who commented on COS18 above are the very same guys who keep on telling LEP about how bad their package is. For years and years now.
Will you now continue the same genius strategy with those on COS18?
All you achieve is a perpetual big fat No in all future negotiations, meaning no pay rise and no secured housing deal.A constant impasse plus the occasional letter in the mailbox informing about the next unilateral change.
Is that what you want??
You guys just have to understand, pretty please, sugar plum with a cherry on top, pleeeeeeeease:
The market has changed,or at least the company thinks it has, either way, like it or not, they will probably get enough people. Nothing to do with the IQ of the new-joiner, the level of talent etc, it is simply still a better option than flying King Airs out of Kigali or working in a cubicle in Shenzen. You need to understand, please, it is not about what we think is fair and just ( I certainly don't), what we deem enough to live on, it is pure and simple a question of demand and supply.
Plus nobody is or was forced to sign and join COS 18 or the former C scale, let's not forget that either.
Will you now continue the same genius strategy with those on COS18?
All you achieve is a perpetual big fat No in all future negotiations, meaning no pay rise and no secured housing deal.A constant impasse plus the occasional letter in the mailbox informing about the next unilateral change.
Is that what you want??
You guys just have to understand, pretty please, sugar plum with a cherry on top, pleeeeeeeease:
The market has changed,or at least the company thinks it has, either way, like it or not, they will probably get enough people. Nothing to do with the IQ of the new-joiner, the level of talent etc, it is simply still a better option than flying King Airs out of Kigali or working in a cubicle in Shenzen. You need to understand, please, it is not about what we think is fair and just ( I certainly don't), what we deem enough to live on, it is pure and simple a question of demand and supply.
Plus nobody is or was forced to sign and join COS 18 or the former C scale, let's not forget that either.
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Joined: Aug 2017
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From: Hong Kong
Firefly, since YEARS you and others are fantasizing about parked aircraft. Hasn't happened or has it?
Maybe it's cheaper for an airline to park instead of paying everybody more, maybe other reasons, what do I know or care! Totally irrelevant for us. Even IF it would happen, I could not care less.
Maybe it's cheaper for an airline to park instead of paying everybody more, maybe other reasons, what do I know or care! Totally irrelevant for us. Even IF it would happen, I could not care less.
Joined: Sep 2008
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From: In the land of smog
Joined: Jul 2018
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From: uk
HKAOA totally blind sided by this new COS18. They were never even informed of it's publication. So what the **** do they do at the meetings they insist on attending with the company ? A very quick crunch of the numbers shows the FO salary to be "on a par" with most middle east operators BUT these carriers have tax free regimes and free housing and schooling. This new COS18 does not. So take away the real cost of living as a family in Hong Kong and your are 30-40% behind. Simple maths. The actual contract also permit DEC's should the market dictate.
KA union given a heads up last week.
KA union given a heads up last week.
Joined: Feb 2006
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From: Bottom of the Harbour
Joined: Jul 2018
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From: uk
Email from DFO last Wednesday and it was discussed in the week before the KA pay deal was agreed. Hence the rush to sign it you knew what was coming. Don't deny it.