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Am 21 ,looking forward to get my CPL+Flight Instructor Rating from Harvs Air.I want to know whether they actually give job as a FI after completion of the full course with them.
Any help will be greatly appreciated
Any help will be greatly appreciated
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Your chances of "getting a job" might improve with a change in attitude.
Just because you do your CPL instructor rating with an organization does
not entitle you to a job.
There are some schools who still have that mentality but they are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to quality of flight training.
If you want to be the best you can be, you need "experienced and talented' instructors.
Harve's Air is renown in Canada and I'd personally place at the top of the list.
If you do your CPL and or Instructor Rating, at Harve's or other similar top rated school, you job chances will be up to you and your attitude.
I'm aware of several instructors who trained at Harve's and got job offers prior to doing their instructor ride.
Don't expect a job offer at Harve's, if you are offered a job, then that will be a credit to you.
Most schools are looking for instructors and if you have a brand new instructor rating they will be getting on the phone asking all about you at the school where you trained.
Its a very small world in flight training.
Just because you do your CPL instructor rating with an organization does
not entitle you to a job.
There are some schools who still have that mentality but they are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to quality of flight training.
If you want to be the best you can be, you need "experienced and talented' instructors.
Harve's Air is renown in Canada and I'd personally place at the top of the list.
If you do your CPL and or Instructor Rating, at Harve's or other similar top rated school, you job chances will be up to you and your attitude.
I'm aware of several instructors who trained at Harve's and got job offers prior to doing their instructor ride.
Don't expect a job offer at Harve's, if you are offered a job, then that will be a credit to you.
Most schools are looking for instructors and if you have a brand new instructor rating they will be getting on the phone asking all about you at the school where you trained.
Its a very small world in flight training.
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Instructing in Canada
I'll have to post an extra post on this subject.
In the last four months, there has been a veritable crash in the number of hours flown.
I see a large number of aircraft being put up for sale as
business is dropping by large double digit numbers across Canada.
There is a now a fight for foreign students while
a lack of interest seems to be getting worse in private flying.
I doubt that this is just for one reason, it appears to be like a bad lot of air has blown over Canada that deters new students.
The reasons? I 'll let someone else comment.
In the last four months, there has been a veritable crash in the number of hours flown.
I see a large number of aircraft being put up for sale as
business is dropping by large double digit numbers across Canada.
There is a now a fight for foreign students while
a lack of interest seems to be getting worse in private flying.
I doubt that this is just for one reason, it appears to be like a bad lot of air has blown over Canada that deters new students.
The reasons? I 'll let someone else comment.
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Hi Ramjet,
Quote: "I'm a foreign student who had plans to commence training in Canada later in September. Your recent post is a red flag and I'm starting to suspect if this is a good year to commence training.
There's an air of pre-2008 financial crash in our world today, and I wonder if the world is heading for a period of destabilization and recession.
Could you let me in on the reasons behind the bad air blowing across Canada?
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
XXXXX.
If I knew the reason, I'd post it.
I would not take any notice if you are serious about flying for a living. If you like instructing, there are so many who don't want to be instructors that there is always a demand for those who do like it.
Problem is, when conditions drop, the demand drops and you don't get a chance to show what you can do..
I'm aware of numerous instructors making welfare money, less than welfare money and doing a few hundred hours a year, no where near making a living.
Earn money elsewhere, then spend it on training, Canada still provides good value for training.
Still lots of airlines take 200 hour pilots and put em in an Indonesian 737...
or other airlines with similar ideas.
Quote: "I'm a foreign student who had plans to commence training in Canada later in September. Your recent post is a red flag and I'm starting to suspect if this is a good year to commence training.
There's an air of pre-2008 financial crash in our world today, and I wonder if the world is heading for a period of destabilization and recession.
Could you let me in on the reasons behind the bad air blowing across Canada?
Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
XXXXX.
If I knew the reason, I'd post it.
I would not take any notice if you are serious about flying for a living. If you like instructing, there are so many who don't want to be instructors that there is always a demand for those who do like it.
Problem is, when conditions drop, the demand drops and you don't get a chance to show what you can do..
I'm aware of numerous instructors making welfare money, less than welfare money and doing a few hundred hours a year, no where near making a living.
Earn money elsewhere, then spend it on training, Canada still provides good value for training.
Still lots of airlines take 200 hour pilots and put em in an Indonesian 737...
or other airlines with similar ideas.
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I agree with Ramjet that it depends on your attitude. There is not one flight school that will 100% guarantee an instructor job after you do your instructor rating there. I am a foreign student who is attempting to start my flight training at Harv's soon (depending on whether I'll get a visa and when I get it because of the diplomat strikes) and from what I've heard and read around, they hire a good number of the instructors they train, and also it completely depends on your skills and attitude towards flying. And you should also know that from what they say, they only hire the instructors that they themselves train. So I guess you will have to deduce your own conclusion from this information.
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Hi clipper_wings,
Harv's is a great place to do your training; no doubt about it.
Like the others said, Adam will never tell you that he will give you a job before you do the instructor rating. They will watch you as you do your CPL and instructor rating. Then, as long as they like you, they'll put you on dispatch duty for a few weeks. At that point, if everything goes well and they need an extra instructor, they will give you the job. If there is no need for instructors right away, they will offer to keep you on dispatch until an instructor job opens up.
"Your chances of "getting a job" might improve with a change in attitude."
Ramjet555, maybe we need to stop attacking people right off the bat when we don't even know them. (unless I'm missing something?).
Harv's is a great place to do your training; no doubt about it.
Like the others said, Adam will never tell you that he will give you a job before you do the instructor rating. They will watch you as you do your CPL and instructor rating. Then, as long as they like you, they'll put you on dispatch duty for a few weeks. At that point, if everything goes well and they need an extra instructor, they will give you the job. If there is no need for instructors right away, they will offer to keep you on dispatch until an instructor job opens up.
"Your chances of "getting a job" might improve with a change in attitude."
Ramjet555, maybe we need to stop attacking people right off the bat when we don't even know them. (unless I'm missing something?).
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Fai,
Please do all of us a favor; especially the ones you PM'd...Read the STICKY about employment in Canada.
And if you are trying to go back to India after you are done with your training, remember you are one of several thousand 250 hour wonders competing for a limited number of jobs. So please, read the STICKY, and take it from there. If you want to know about employment with Harv Air as a CFI, I suggest you not only email them but call them and ask them and stop posting and PMing others like myself with the same question!!!
Please do all of us a favor; especially the ones you PM'd...Read the STICKY about employment in Canada.
And if you are trying to go back to India after you are done with your training, remember you are one of several thousand 250 hour wonders competing for a limited number of jobs. So please, read the STICKY, and take it from there. If you want to know about employment with Harv Air as a CFI, I suggest you not only email them but call them and ask them and stop posting and PMing others like myself with the same question!!!
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Fai,
If you will recall, I did take the time to reply to your PM and was trying to be helpful. I'm sure you missed my reply in your inbox because you were too busy posting about obtaining PR in Canada.
P.S. REPEAT AFTER ME. Unless I am a skilled migrant or I marry a Canadian girl, the chances of me getting residency in Canada are as good as a chain smoker running a full marathon. And NO , as a wet CPL holder I do not fall into the skilled migrant category.
With that being said, please go back to posting and asking how you can get a job and PR in Canada for the umpteenth time.
If you will recall, I did take the time to reply to your PM and was trying to be helpful. I'm sure you missed my reply in your inbox because you were too busy posting about obtaining PR in Canada.
P.S. REPEAT AFTER ME. Unless I am a skilled migrant or I marry a Canadian girl, the chances of me getting residency in Canada are as good as a chain smoker running a full marathon. And NO , as a wet CPL holder I do not fall into the skilled migrant category.
With that being said, please go back to posting and asking how you can get a job and PR in Canada for the umpteenth time.
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I would think one of the root problems with getting a job at the same school you trained at is that there could be other people finishing off the same ratings who also want a job at the same place! There are probably other "graduates" from the previous year who may apply for the same job!
One of the major mis-understandings people have about Canada is that they think they can take school here and then be guaranteed a job. This is also a mis-conception that young Canadians have too --- they think if you spend years hard work and spending thousands of dollars that university degree that they will get a job in that field of study.
The government here does not simply allow anyone to come to Canada to work and get citizen ship. I am not an expert on immigration but but I think at minimal you need a sponsor like family members in Canada...even then it can take years to process your paper work.
The process is faster is you are a skilled migrant but the skills must match a list of wwhat the government thinks there is a shortage in Canada.
You can not simply pick a country of your choosing, take a course there and expect citizenship and a job.
One of the major mis-understandings people have about Canada is that they think they can take school here and then be guaranteed a job. This is also a mis-conception that young Canadians have too --- they think if you spend years hard work and spending thousands of dollars that university degree that they will get a job in that field of study.
The government here does not simply allow anyone to come to Canada to work and get citizen ship. I am not an expert on immigration but but I think at minimal you need a sponsor like family members in Canada...even then it can take years to process your paper work.
The process is faster is you are a skilled migrant but the skills must match a list of wwhat the government thinks there is a shortage in Canada.
You can not simply pick a country of your choosing, take a course there and expect citizenship and a job.
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"it's called a C39 provision.
you have to be in school at least 8 months, complete the ppl, cpl, ifr, and instructor rating. you'll get a work permit for the length of time you've been a student up to 3 years. then when you start working after 6 months you can apply for a pr"
is it possible ?? work permit & then PR
you have to be in school at least 8 months, complete the ppl, cpl, ifr, and instructor rating. you'll get a work permit for the length of time you've been a student up to 3 years. then when you start working after 6 months you can apply for a pr"
is it possible ?? work permit & then PR
As far as I know Harvs are correct with this info. Basically if you do a study course that lasts for a minimum of 2 years then at the end of it you can get a 3 year work visa to live and work in Canada.
However even if you do the whole Zero to CPL course you'd struggle to make it take 2 years (unless you kept failing all your tests I suppose
. After 8 months though you can get a work visa that allows you to work for the same amount of time that you studied - so if it takes you 1 year to get your FI then after you've finished you can get a 1 year work visa.Getting PR after that depends on many other factors that are more of an immigration issue.
Hope this helps.
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Hello.
I would highly appreciate if anybody WHO HAS DONE his/her PPL with Harv's could give me some input about the school and the average cost to get the PPL done.
Thanks
I would highly appreciate if anybody WHO HAS DONE his/her PPL with Harv's could give me some input about the school and the average cost to get the PPL done.
Thanks
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Boratt,
You might like to also ask when did I last stop beating my wife etc.
The original poster appears from his post, to have an expectation, that a flight school, Harv's will give him a job as an instructor if ohe does a rating with them.
I've seen that sense of entitlement before and in my view, it's not a good sign of an appropriate attitude of a potential instructor.
I've watched Harv's air over the years, and seen at times their products and the bottom line is this.
If someone does an Instructor Rating at Harv's they are well trained, have excellent employment prospects and, I know of cases where their students lined up jobs even before their ride was done.
In one case, Harv's made the calls that got the guy the job.
That's a pretty positive plug for Harv's and
I've no doubt that if they need a Class 4, they will look at their own but,
again, Harv's turn out quality and to turn out quality requires that hiring
of experience and talent which might not be the last person to do a ride.
If I'm wrong on that, Harv's can correct me...
You might like to also ask when did I last stop beating my wife etc.
The original poster appears from his post, to have an expectation, that a flight school, Harv's will give him a job as an instructor if ohe does a rating with them.
I've seen that sense of entitlement before and in my view, it's not a good sign of an appropriate attitude of a potential instructor.
I've watched Harv's air over the years, and seen at times their products and the bottom line is this.
If someone does an Instructor Rating at Harv's they are well trained, have excellent employment prospects and, I know of cases where their students lined up jobs even before their ride was done.
In one case, Harv's made the calls that got the guy the job.
That's a pretty positive plug for Harv's and
I've no doubt that if they need a Class 4, they will look at their own but,
again, Harv's turn out quality and to turn out quality requires that hiring
of experience and talent which might not be the last person to do a ride.
If I'm wrong on that, Harv's can correct me...
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Hi all.
Ramjet555 is correct. Thanks for answering.
We hire based on demand, flying skills, and personality. I can't promise a position via email or forum. During an instructor rating course if we feel that we would not hire the candidate for whatever reason we let them know early on and won't continue the course in vain. We are always looking for good, solid pilots and communicators to be flight instructors.
Shnzee: Email [email protected] and I'll connect you with some current and former students. Or call the office and ask to speak to somebody who's hanging around.
There is a program where when one completed a course of at least 8 months (usually PPL, CPL, IFR, and Instructor rating) you can get a work permit for the length of time you've been on a student visa.
Adam Penner
Ramjet555 is correct. Thanks for answering.
We hire based on demand, flying skills, and personality. I can't promise a position via email or forum. During an instructor rating course if we feel that we would not hire the candidate for whatever reason we let them know early on and won't continue the course in vain. We are always looking for good, solid pilots and communicators to be flight instructors.
Shnzee: Email [email protected] and I'll connect you with some current and former students. Or call the office and ask to speak to somebody who's hanging around.
There is a program where when one completed a course of at least 8 months (usually PPL, CPL, IFR, and Instructor rating) you can get a work permit for the length of time you've been on a student visa.
Adam Penner
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Hey guys,
I contacted Harv's with the same question as fai,the FI job.They said that it is highly likely that international students get the job and they have 5 international students from India working for them right now.He said that it's all about attitude and Merit.If you're one of the best,you are pretty much gonna get a job,even if as a dispatcher at first.bottom line,just love aviation,aviation will love you and it will help you with your attitude.No one can stop you.Just chillax and love flying for the sake of it and not the intructor job.if you're good enough,you'll get it,that's it,simple.Adam also was kind enough to give all the emails of the international students who are working as instructor's for them.I talk to them often and they always tell me the same thing I wrote about...the attitude and love for aviation.Currently I am looking at their Providence University Aviation Degree....I do need that along with my hours if I were to work in the majors
I contacted Harv's with the same question as fai,the FI job.They said that it is highly likely that international students get the job and they have 5 international students from India working for them right now.He said that it's all about attitude and Merit.If you're one of the best,you are pretty much gonna get a job,even if as a dispatcher at first.bottom line,just love aviation,aviation will love you and it will help you with your attitude.No one can stop you.Just chillax and love flying for the sake of it and not the intructor job.if you're good enough,you'll get it,that's it,simple.Adam also was kind enough to give all the emails of the international students who are working as instructor's for them.I talk to them often and they always tell me the same thing I wrote about...the attitude and love for aviation.Currently I am looking at their Providence University Aviation Degree....I do need that along with my hours if I were to work in the majors
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Is there any other way of getting a more longer term work visa for Canada (that anyone here knows of, from experience - not what I can look up on google) that would allow say a year (initially)?
I have FAA Comm/Inst/ME with CFI/II (ASEL) so the TC conversion wouldn't take that long, but surely if the visa is based on study time I'd only be allowed to work for a few weeks/months. I'm a UK citizen, also holding EASA FI rating on a PPL.
Any help/advice would be appreciated, as I despise living in the UK and want to get over to North America and make a career out of doing what I love, without the European bureaucracy and our moribund GA scene!
I have FAA Comm/Inst/ME with CFI/II (ASEL) so the TC conversion wouldn't take that long, but surely if the visa is based on study time I'd only be allowed to work for a few weeks/months. I'm a UK citizen, also holding EASA FI rating on a PPL.
Any help/advice would be appreciated, as I despise living in the UK and want to get over to North America and make a career out of doing what I love, without the European bureaucracy and our moribund GA scene!
