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Old 4th Jun 2003, 21:44
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GB Airways (HELP)

Hi !!

At the moment im working for a long haul airline, and thinking about applying for GB Airways.

Can anyone give me an idea of how many sectors you would do a day, how many night stops etc.

Thanks in advance for your help

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Old 9th Jun 2003, 05:56
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HOW DO 35-42 SECTORS A MONTH SOUND? EVEN BETTER, FANCY WORKING A 50-60 HOUR WEEK? AND U ONLY CLEAR BOUT 1K MAX A MONTH. 6 DAYS ON GUARANTEED! BOUT 2 NITESTOPS A MONTH (IF YOU'RE LUCKY!)

ONLY NITESTOPS AT THE MOMENT ARE A NIGHTLY VLC SPLIT DUTY, FRI NITE ALC SPLIT AND 2 AGP NITESTOPS PER NITE. SLIP ONE IS NORMALLY LGW-NTE-LGW-AGP, ARR AGP AT 2320L, THEN NEXT DAY LEAVE AGP AT 1920L FOR AGP-LHR-LGW BY BUS. THIS ONE IS NICE, COUPLE OF HOURS ON THE BEACH IN TORREMOLINOS.

IF YOU'RE EVEN LUCKIER, THEN TRY THE 6 SECTOR, 2 DAY AGP!!!! IT GOES LIKE THIS.... LGW-PMI-LGW-AGP, ARRIVE 1820L, THEN AT 0910L NEXT DAY AGP-LGW-FAO-LGW!!! NICE AY??? 6 HOT MEALS IN 2 DAYS....BOUT 900 PAX IN 2 DAYS.......... STILL WANNA JOIN?

ON STANDBY? HA HA, YEAH RIGHT! ITS GUESS THE DESTINATION DAY.......COS YOU W I L L BE FLYING.......

I HAVE AVERAGED ABOUT 42 SECTORS (2 PLUS HRS EACH) LAST FEW MONTHS..... SO GOD HELP ME THIS SUMMER, MY KIDNEYS ARE GONNA END UP THE SIZE OF MARBLES...... APART FROM THAT, THE CREW (F.DECK AND CC) ARE BRILLIANT, VERY PROFESSIONAL AND FRIENDLY, CAN'T SAY THE SAME THE HIGHER YOU GO........... ROCK APES COULD DO A BETTER JOB!

GOOD LUCK IF YOU DO DECIDE TO JOIN, IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM LONG-HAUL (12 SECTORS A MONTH MAX??), WAIT FOR IT, COS YOU ARE GONNA FEEL LIKE YOU JUST BEEN RUN OVER BY ONE OF OUR A321'S!!!!!

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Old 9th Jun 2003, 18:02
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Jetset25

I have worked for GB for a few years now and I have to say, Rockboy is so right in what he says.
Things have been changing so much and its about to get worse.
We are starting Paphos in October, there and back in a day , 5hrs each way, usual charter passengers that we seem to have on all our flights these days.
How the times have changed since I joined.
Jetset- I wouldnt give up longhaul for GB. But if you do can I have your job!!!???
There is one plus point of GB. The cabin crew are amazing and you make good friends. We all stick together to make the unbearable days fun for each other.
Good luck in what you decide
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Old 22nd Aug 2003, 00:07
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MUST GET ON THE WRONG PLANE WHEN I GO TO WORK!!!!

GB is a great place to work for crew and flight deck are brilliant but like in ALL jobs you often get a few w******s at either end of the plane but we learn to live with it at 35000 ft

GB COULD be a really nice outfit....its small very secure but unfortuantley i have never worked for such a badly managed company who think nothing of their staff.......

All GB seems to be bothered about is how much money is being made and how to cut costs at every level.....Bars/catering etc ...regardless of crew...i got a suggestion for them ......sack 50% of the useless management team and thats more money in their pockets.....not mine thats a start ....i only get paid my 2.50 flight allowance...or probably less don't even know ....

We got a loverly bar now.....its so lovely i don't see half of THE STUFF by the time it gets on board the a/c ...... apparently we are losing thousands of pounds a month and its not acceptable.....another suggestions perhaps invest in proper padlocks rather than those plastic ones which are always broken ...in my experience i have had the same bar o 4 flights and the padlock still being broken ....if management can't take responsibility for that I AINT SIGNING NO 'FORM' ..........

Well thats part 1 for now of my winging so if you wanna joing the worlds favourite franchise airline....... think twice probably cheaper to work at McDonalds....and you get your STARS we get shite......
 
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Talking how true

you guys are so right was there for about 5 month 5 months to long
 
Old 22nd Aug 2003, 01:44
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GB Airways!

I would love to do a few nite stops every month! I currently work for a charter airline at LGW and all we do is nice long days, have scrum for passengers and have money taken from us when the bars are down! Hoorah!

At least GB has got the airbus, which I think is a great aircraft to work on! Are they still recruiting at the mo?

I have a few friends that are they and they seem to like it!

Enjoy flying high!

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Old 22nd Aug 2003, 02:11
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NIGHTSTOPS??

Nightstops you mean minumum rest splits?

we do lgw vlc land at about 10.30L and then check in at 06.50 loca next morning....

also lgw/vlc/lgw//agp land at around 7.30 local and next day up at 08.00L for a agp/lgw/fao/lgw

Hot meal services on 2.20 flights full cabin normally minumum crew these days 4 on 737 and 5 on 320 and 321 6 or 7 if you beg hard enough........

and come winter rumour has it no nightstops at all and no splits.....we are doing paphos 5hrs their and back......

Oh yeah we have loverly airbuses...although ask the crew what they think of them? Air conditioning? QUality of Air there have been loads of incidents affecting crew...currently under investigation with CAA oh and btw if you work in the front galley make sure you bring a sweater...cause its a freezer...to tight to get galley heaters......best bet is to open the ovens and switch em on....does wonders ......

oh and yeah they also wanna start deducting oney from our comission for discrepencies in the bar ....and be prepared to have your property searched at anytime by a member of staff...although this applies only to cabin crew not flight deck even though flightdeck are the ones who are closest to the bars when anattended...(not implying that flightdeck to anything) just pointing out only crew have been advised of searches not flightdeck....we all work on the same plane different rules apply ....
 
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Have to agree with flymeboy! I too work for a charter airline and we do a full service with hotmeals on a flight of 1:50 (BHX-REU). Also we are operating min crew a lot at the moment so that means on A320 - 4 crew and A321 - 5 crew.

As for PFO that's a normal days work, my roster in September is keeping my very busy in 1 week i've got ACE, ACE, FUE, LPA and DLM, and no night stops anywhere!
 
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I would love to go a 3 sector day and have a nite stop, even if it is min rest!

The charter airline I work for, we do short flights (as well as the joyous long long flights), ie under 1h30 with a full hot meal, hot towels etc and we are going we with min crew all the time, 148 pax with 3 crew - its lovely!

I think the job is want you make it and various airlines suit different people! I personally like to have a laugh and fun when I am at work and I feel that some airlines might not like that - I used to work for a business airline and you cant really have a laugh & take the mikey out of those pax as much as you can with charter pax!

I fear the days have gone past when we used to have nice little days with loadsa rest downroute - if only they would return!!!!

FMB xx
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i just can't waaaaaiiiiiiitttttt for this winter. If anyone goes into rostering, u can see my 'bids' for the winter programme. 6 on, 2 off. and it goes like this, ace, tfs, tfn, fue, ace, lpa and to finish off a paphos. Of course, not forgetting getting my bag check by cabin services at the end of every flight. I wonder if they will also be doin 'internals'?

And cos there's no i.f.e, well, i've already got my jenga, monopoly, twister and trivial pursuit for the punters (how much d'ya reckon? 2 an hour???) cos on a 5 hour paphos this is going to go down a treat (it does already on the canaries) i just luurrrrvvvveeee it.

I've done charter before (who the f**k am i kidding?) still doing it, but with the 'real' charter you just do a there and back, not a round the block a few times, squeeze the life out of you (and your breath if you're on the airbus).

By the way gash bag airways, can't wait to fly with you!!! As for getting rid of 50% of management, why not save some space in cabin services and put some of them on the atkins diet? we might get some light in too...... As for signing the 'form', i have made such lovely oregami out of it, it now has pride of place in my recycling bin............

OH, and i nearly forgot. Apparently there was bout 1k worth of stuff missing on a bar a few weeks ago which was allegedly 'there' on the sif. A bond error, apparently. xxxx So crew are also responsible for errors in bond then?.......... sigh...

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Old 22nd Aug 2003, 04:51
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Rockboy - check your Private Messages.
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Old 22nd Aug 2003, 10:36
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Rockboy and Gash Bag Airways

Rockboy, Gash Bag Airways PM me. I hope we fly together soon.
Oh my.... you two have made my laugh so much because everything you have said is so so so so so TRUE !!!
Anyone thinking about joining GB Airways needs medical and mental assistance ASAP because you must be INSANE!!!!!
I have worked for a charter before and I tell you... work for them was like being on a constant holiday...4 days off, 4 days standby (not called out), 4 days off. What a fun time I have had.
I had a great first year At G.B with all our nightstops (AGP,FAO,LHR,CMN,ALC,VLC) most of them 3 day trips. BUT, times have changed so so so much.
One crappy 12 hr nightstop a month if you are lucky. Bag searches and bar commission taken from us ( I haven`t signed my form either, as per my letter from my union saying not to).Some old office temp who now thinks she is the Queen of uniforms, telling us what not to wear and how to wear our underwear etc ( Notes put on our permanant file if you have a Beef and mustard stain our your person...anywhere).
6 Days on 2 Days off all the bloody time, even in the winter.
G.B is trying to be a posh charter airline. Dont get me wrong , it was when I first joined,. But know its just shell suits and fake designer labels everywhere ( especially on the Alicante!!!)

I have to say that the crew are 95% of the time briiliant to fly with. Had many a good laughs in the forward galley on the crew seat, trying to fight off the frost bite , whilst trying not to breath in the so called (acetone smell) fumes into my delicate non-smoking lungs.
I so look forward to the Paphos in October!!!!! 5 hours each way of drinks,wine,nasty hot meal,tea&coffeex2,duty free and ice creams that break your teeth because they are frozen like rocks, no crew rest and then thinking that the luck BA LHR crew do the same flight time but to Larnaca (2 hrs drive from paphos ) and get 2 days off by the beach, while we have to work ourselves into the ground. Only to be given a flight the next morning ( oh yes, that will happen).
Well all I can say to all you wannabe GB crew. Think very carefully about the choices you make. Yeah you may think it sounds great to do one nightstop a month, but after you first 3 sectors out, 12 hrs off, 3 sectors back, all with a full serivce, you may have made the wrong decision.I would love to do charter work again, but my days at GB have just about worn me out. I have actually gone off flying for a living and wish for a normal job.
Good luck in whatever you do. I am just trying to rest on my two crappy days off before going back to do 6 more days on.

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So much vitriol from so many. So why stay?

Why not make the move back/to charter?

Why not get a ground job of some sort - that's what I did when I'd had enough of EZY running me into the ground.

Is it (misplaced) loyalty to GB? Are you hoping that somehow it will change in the near future, so will be worth staying on for? Don't bet on it.

If you're not happy in your job this will doubtless be rubbing off on your colleagues (however unintentional), which takes me back to my first question.

What is keeping you there?

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If you guys and girls are so unhappy leave......If you reckon its much better elsewhere what you all waiting for ??

BTW LGW-PFO is 4hr 15 -- Same, if not shorter than TFS,LPA

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I LOVE MY JOB

I love my job like with any other job we have our ups and down, but hey we all learn to live with it....why should i be forced out of a job that i am actually PROUD off cause when i fly i don't take it on the pax.

If people like me stay at least a little difference is made to the working environment etc...... The sour apples are in management cabin services and a few other corners of our 10ft x 10ft crew room.......

And yeah i would love to fly with you guys i am sure we will get along just fine...as per my uniform ....just laugh mate....i am sure those in cabin services will soon get tired of running around.....its all a novelty with Cabin Services one days it one thing next time its another...... I've been on leave and have recently found out about the SPOT checks on our standards BEEN LEAVING MY SHOES SPOTLESS OF ALL THAT POLISHING......I'LL GIVE THEM SPOTS...SPOTS OF SHITE..... LOL

I am workign today god only knows where i will end up and if I will get there.....either i will get CO2 either on the Bus or on the Airbus...either way they are both buses.......crap cheap buses that is......

WELL FOLKS SPEAK SOON


REMEMBER SMILE AND TAKE IT.....ONLY TO GIVE IT BACK EVEN HARDER

Ps i love my job and i have not said its any better anywhere else two wrongs don't make a right...it could be better for all i know elsewhere but i'd rather stay and hope and make sure we make our Airline the BEST to work for......
 
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FormerFlyer and JetA1

I would like to thank you for your comments.
I do like my job and most of the crew I fly with.
As GASH BAG AIRWAYS says its certain people that run our airline, that seem to make up new rules everyday without taking any consideration of how it will effect the crews and our working enviroment.
Moral at our airline is the lowest I have ever seen and it seems to be getting worse week by week.
Yeah, I did say I have had enough of flying because if I carry working in this conditions, I will end up ill. Unfortunatley I have bills to pay and will not just take the first job that comes along that I dont really want. I am still in the process of finding my ideal job, but these things take time, like most important decisions we all make in our lifes. Also I would just like to say that my comments dont effect my collegues at GB because 99% of them are saying the same things, just not in a forum like myself.
I hope you are enjoying what you both do. And I hope I wont be so vitriol for very much longer.
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baboy!
lovin it lovin it lovin it!!.... i agree 110% with what u have just said. Why should we let them win? give back twice as hard. Ever been to a banana republic? well, you check in at one......
Gb is a great little company with great people.
Gone are the days when an organisation existed to employ people, provide financial security, and the rest.......
Sadly, i have now been in the industry for more than 10 years and well, it just seems to be gettin worse.

R E S P E C T ! Is it too much to ask for? or have i had too many bananas fall on my head recently??

The general consensus at Gb is that things are just at an all time low, 'rudderless' some say. But hey, as long as the cabin crew courses come through, especially if you're an non-flyer (ie can be taken for a muppet), then 'we're alright jack'.

As for crew control, well, i really have a lot of respect for them. They are the first line of contact to us in one long monumental fiasco.
They take our crap (we vent our frustrations on them), but then, are they to blame? I don't think they perform a crewing function, more like '20 resignations this month, sort it out! They are more problem solvers than crew controllers.

Anyway, we all vent our grievances on a website where we are anonymous, and as human that we are, we all get carried away and do have a laugh, but hey, who doesn't slate their place of work? And if we do slate it, couldn't it be because we really care and are desperate for things to change cos we know what a nice place it would be.!!!

Anyway, chin up, keep dishing out that shite, oops, my fingers slipped, lamb and mint, must be all that grease...........

see you all checking in at the asylum...........

Ps. I have a suggestion for cost cutting? Save a couple of thousand a year by employing (or trying to keep) the exact number of required crew, like that Gb doesn't keep staples in crawley in profit by ordering the entire brazilian rainforest in yellow paper for those luurrveeely yellow perils.....

byeee.........

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Hey Rockboy

Thanxs for your support rockboy.
I totally agree with you about crew control. I have great respect for them and they do a job that I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy..... well maybe someone with stringy hair and plastic body parts!!!!
Yeah , we would all like to work for an airline that is perfect, and I cant really think of any that are off the top off my head.
But hey... we at GB are not happy (take 40 resignations last month,with most off them being new people that have only been there 2-3 months and cant stand it), what does that say to you about a company that only has 300 crew anyway? Well to me, it says there is aproblem somewhere!. But with all the new courses that come on-line that are to scared to breath without being called into the office, its hard to get people to say how they feel.
This is where a site like this helps, so you get things off your mind without being judged!!!! It certainly helps me feel better to say how I feel. Yeah it may put people off from applying to GB reading all this, but I am not going to lie and say its the best company to work for, because its far from that!!
Anyway, see you around the beesnest with all those nasty bees wait to sting you, for doing anything .

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God ! Don't think you're alone at GB, EZY is just as bad!!!! Since the GO merger over 500 crew have walked out! both EZY and GO!! No one even bothers to stop and think 'why are all these paople leaving?' The shit we have to put up with is unreal! So believe me the grass centainately isn't greener on the other side!
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easyJet certainly is a mess - it's not only the crew that walked out! Ray Webster really has no idea how to manage people, he probably doesn't even care about them. eJ say they base themselves on Southwest airlines in the States but one of their 'values' is to value your people, not make them redundant and to give them job security - 3 things the poor people @ easyJet don't have. . .
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