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Have read the forum for a time now, but now I think I'd like to contribute. As a BA crew member for years, I've always thought that we have had angry crew around us for a long time. It didn't need this dispute to make them angry, but it has certainly made them worse IMO.
My feeling is that Willie Walsh has to make a decision what to do with these crew if and when the ballot is deemed illegal. I for one have had enough of this type of behaviour, and hope he lets them go for the sake of the rest of BA, who just want to move on and take this company forward. Here are those comments. They beggar belief to me.
Have read the forum for a time now, but now I think I'd like to contribute. As a BA crew member for years, I've always thought that we have had angry crew around us for a long time. It didn't need this dispute to make them angry, but it has certainly made them worse IMO.
My feeling is that Willie Walsh has to make a decision what to do with these crew if and when the ballot is deemed illegal. I for one have had enough of this type of behaviour, and hope he lets them go for the sake of the rest of BA, who just want to move on and take this company forward. Here are those comments. They beggar belief to me.
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Charming lot, are'nt they?
I think the board's patience has been tested to the limits and beyond.
The company produce an offer...which even then is not put to the members!
If there was little sympathy before, I think now there will be anger on a massive scale from all and sundry.
With the difficult times ahead, many public sector employees now losing jobs and suffering cut backs, more expected to lose their homes, the VAT increase, fuel hikes etc etc, many would be at a loss to understand the mindset of a group of employees that not only retain their jobs, but are offered a pay increase!!!!!!!
I think the board's patience has been tested to the limits and beyond.
The company produce an offer...which even then is not put to the members!
If there was little sympathy before, I think now there will be anger on a massive scale from all and sundry.
With the difficult times ahead, many public sector employees now losing jobs and suffering cut backs, more expected to lose their homes, the VAT increase, fuel hikes etc etc, many would be at a loss to understand the mindset of a group of employees that not only retain their jobs, but are offered a pay increase!!!!!!!
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Of course, why should they give a dam about the rest of us and be bothered that we have been changing and adapting to revised working practises over the past however many years?
If this had happened last time, we wouldn't be where we are now. The strikes wouldn't have been carried out, BASSA would have been forced to return to the negotiating table, and/or the reps resign.
The moderates need to take some control now. The only way they can display that is by refusing to back the strike call by voting no, not just strike breaking after the fact.
Here's hoping.
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Definitively a positive move the only problem being that those to whom the questionairre is aimed don't trust anything that doesn't come from BASSA.
BASSA appear to have engineered it well insofar as they pursuede their members that BASSA is the only true source of information.
So whilst, yes, a positive sign I feel that the best that can come from it is to cause the less militant members of the community to think long and hard before voting for strike action they have little or no intention of taking part in.
Time will tell.
BASSA appear to have engineered it well insofar as they pursuede their members that BASSA is the only true source of information.
So whilst, yes, a positive sign I feel that the best that can come from it is to cause the less militant members of the community to think long and hard before voting for strike action they have little or no intention of taking part in.
Time will tell.
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BA have sent out a questionnaire this afternoon asking what its going to take to bring this dispute to a end. Looks like a positive move to me.
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Not to mention the ones who think now is the time to push for a pay rise and a public apology from the Leadership Team. No, really.
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Yes indeed, BA has send out a similar questionnaire before the strikes started. Some time last year they asked the cabin crew what was important to them and where they were willing to give a little to make the savings.
On the BASSA and the crew forum it was made pretty clear to us that we were not to aide BA in any way and fill out those questionnaires. Because that would undermine the strength of our union.
It was discussed on the forums in great length and most of us in favour of it were shot down in flames.
BASSA wanted to control everything, as always. It never seemed to matter what the individual cabin crew members thought if it didn't fall in line with the BASSSA propaganda and party line.
When I tried to explain myself to some union hot heads including a rep as to why I had voted no to the strikes, I was told in no uncertain terms:
"You are a selfish c..t and you don't deserve to be in the union"
That was the last hint necessary for me to do the right thing and resign my union membership.
Thanks to that I now have a clear picture, still have my staff travel and seniority and most importently, I have no regrets.
Let the "I rather see BA go done before I give them one penny" brigade strike again, by all means!
But I truly hope that they are then gone once and for all and that we can all get on with our lives and our jobs.
On the BASSA and the crew forum it was made pretty clear to us that we were not to aide BA in any way and fill out those questionnaires. Because that would undermine the strength of our union.
It was discussed on the forums in great length and most of us in favour of it were shot down in flames.
BASSA wanted to control everything, as always. It never seemed to matter what the individual cabin crew members thought if it didn't fall in line with the BASSSA propaganda and party line.
When I tried to explain myself to some union hot heads including a rep as to why I had voted no to the strikes, I was told in no uncertain terms:
"You are a selfish c..t and you don't deserve to be in the union"
That was the last hint necessary for me to do the right thing and resign my union membership.
Thanks to that I now have a clear picture, still have my staff travel and seniority and most importently, I have no regrets.
Let the "I rather see BA go done before I give them one penny" brigade strike again, by all means!
But I truly hope that they are then gone once and for all and that we can all get on with our lives and our jobs.
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One pro-bassa, wanting another strike colleague recently summed it all up for me very nicely when, upon learning that I didn't strike, said to me "But why didn't you strike? You're a sensible, level-headed guy". Somehow he didn't seem to get the irony of my reply ....... "Exactly!".
Thanks to that I now have a clear picture, still have my staff travel and seniority and most impotently, I have no regrets.
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I would encourage Unite to talk to BA and arrange an open and independent poll of Cabin Crew attitudes and have the results published openly. Then BA, Unite and the general public could all actually understand the issues.
I say this as I don't believe BA nor Unite understand the wishes of the normal member of cabin crew in WW or EF.
I say this as I don't believe BA nor Unite understand the wishes of the normal member of cabin crew in WW or EF.
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Id rather a VCC than a xxxx!
Got my questionaire too via ess.
When asked what BA should do....? I advised to unleash the dogs of war! Diciplineries for stikers and legal action against BASSA.
The strike breakers have the goverment, genral public, the city money men and Willy's anti strike stratergy behind them. Time to put BASSA down. End this malicious rumour spreading, virus mentality closed shop and lets all move on.
When asked what BA should do....? I advised to unleash the dogs of war! Diciplineries for stikers and legal action against BASSA.
The strike breakers have the goverment, genral public, the city money men and Willy's anti strike stratergy behind them. Time to put BASSA down. End this malicious rumour spreading, virus mentality closed shop and lets all move on.
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Id rather a VCC than a xxxx!
Got my questionaire too via ess.
When asked what BA should do....? I advised to unleash the dogs of war! Diciplineries for stikers and legal action against BASSA.
The strike breakers have the goverment, genral public, the city money men and Willy's anti strike stratergy behind them. Time to put BASSA down. End this malicious rumour spreading, virus mentality closed shop and lets all move on.
Got my questionaire too via ess.
When asked what BA should do....? I advised to unleash the dogs of war! Diciplineries for stikers and legal action against BASSA.
The strike breakers have the goverment, genral public, the city money men and Willy's anti strike stratergy behind them. Time to put BASSA down. End this malicious rumour spreading, virus mentality closed shop and lets all move on.
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They think its all over!
To MF crew>
Yes! I proberly do come across as agressive. No I have not been drinking.
I prefer to tell it like it is. Thats what this forum is all about.
Sorry if I caused upset but people like MISS M and those who share her fantasy views are so out of touch with the reality of life outside the BA crew bubble. I hope my comments can shake some sense into them but I have my doubts.
Yes! I proberly do come across as agressive. No I have not been drinking.
I prefer to tell it like it is. Thats what this forum is all about.
Sorry if I caused upset but people like MISS M and those who share her fantasy views are so out of touch with the reality of life outside the BA crew bubble. I hope my comments can shake some sense into them but I have my doubts.
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Whichever side of the fence one sits on, it is quite frightening in my opinion, that a person can be this unhinged when in your position - this posting is just as vindictive as the posts on BASSA or CF - I'm assuming the red wine has taken effect, after all this is quite aggressive in tone
It's a mindset that will not compromise a jot!
We are entitled to be angry...NOT vindictive, as you state!
MFCrew,
I think that you are totally misreading the depth of feeling amongst BA staff that have worked so hard to get BA through the economic downturn. Each one of us took some kind of cut or reduction in T&Cs, so to see one greedy and thoughtless bunch of the workforce trying to undo our hard work gets most peoples blood pressure up.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and I would be more than happy if WW and the LT used a huge stick to beat some sense into a bunch of people who are miles removed from the realities of the modern world!
For a bunch of useless prats like Untie to say that the economic drisis is over, so bassa members should not have to make any concessions ............. it is so arrogant and stupid it defies belief!!
I think that you are totally misreading the depth of feeling amongst BA staff that have worked so hard to get BA through the economic downturn. Each one of us took some kind of cut or reduction in T&Cs, so to see one greedy and thoughtless bunch of the workforce trying to undo our hard work gets most peoples blood pressure up.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and I would be more than happy if WW and the LT used a huge stick to beat some sense into a bunch of people who are miles removed from the realities of the modern world!
For a bunch of useless prats like Untie to say that the economic drisis is over, so bassa members should not have to make any concessions ............. it is so arrogant and stupid it defies belief!!
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For a bunch of useless prats like Untie to say that the economic drisis is over, so bassa members should not have to make any concessions ............. it is so arrogant and stupid it defies belief!
Also haven't the Unite/Bassa leadership made an offer to BA to settle their dispute? Why hasn't nothing been done about that?
In my previous organisation this would have been settled by now - as an outsider peeking in I can see that both parties are now prolonging this whole dispute.
Lets face it MF is now in, there is a crew member off the airplane, there have been significant savings made by the current crew to the cost base - so why is this dispute still ongoing? The company have all they want, it is now down to vindictiveness and the 'want' by some parties to de-unionise the current workforce.
For what other reason is this now dragging on?