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Hi Eddy,
Much as I sympathise with you about the harassment you have suffered, BA cannot normally target strikers. It can only be legally done, I believe, if BA were to take Unite to court in order to win a case of an illegal strike, i.e. the new strike was about the same issue as the original.
Much as I sympathise with you about the harassment you have suffered, BA cannot normally target strikers. It can only be legally done, I believe, if BA were to take Unite to court in order to win a case of an illegal strike, i.e. the new strike was about the same issue as the original.
A pleasing development! Another ballot and, I hope, an overwhelming vote (even by the minority of BASSA members) for strike. Finally, the opportunity to get this over with! Bye bye BASSA!
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Originally Posted by MissM
So, it looks there will be another ballot. Bring it on. Thousands of us (in majority) will mostly like to vote for industrial action again.
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Miss M,
BASSA run a real risk that any new action can be linked directly to the previous action. If that is the case, the new action will not give the strikers any legal protection from dismissal.
In all seriousness, how many of your "thousands" do you think will walk out if they know they can be legally dismissed for doing so?
BASSA run a real risk that any new action can be linked directly to the previous action. If that is the case, the new action will not give the strikers any legal protection from dismissal.
In all seriousness, how many of your "thousands" do you think will walk out if they know they can be legally dismissed for doing so?
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Miss M:
I have to agree with Yellow Pen, even if all 8-9000 members that are left in BASSA (and thats probably a generous estimation) vote for further IA. At least half that amount will come into work just like last time. They are solely responsible for this prolonged dispute as had they put the 'x' in the correct box in the first place none of the last years events need have happened. This section of your membership have cost you your staff travel, your wages, your union and now will undoubtedly vote the same way and sit and watch as their 'brother and sisters' take whatever consequences BA inflict for further IA.
With regard to your 'majority' comment. Considering how bitter and angry most of the strikers are (with the exception of Dingbaticus and others like her/him) it was quite alarming that only 3419 bothered to vote in the last consultative ballot? Not that close to the 7,000 figure DH has fed the membership, but certainly more realistic to the 4963 figure published by the company...... this ballot will really give us a clearer picture of where we are? So as you say ...... Bring it on!!!!
With regard to your 'majority' comment. Considering how bitter and angry most of the strikers are (with the exception of Dingbaticus and others like her/him) it was quite alarming that only 3419 bothered to vote in the last consultative ballot? Not that close to the 7,000 figure DH has fed the membership, but certainly more realistic to the 4963 figure published by the company...... this ballot will really give us a clearer picture of where we are? So as you say ...... Bring it on!!!!
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Not that close to the 7,000 figure DH has fed the membership, but certainly more realistic to the 4963 figure published by the company......
See interview here 12 min 40 secs in.
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Double Speak?
Also interesting that at the very end, when pressed after admitting the strikes achieved nothing and that BA said they had shook hands on a deal to recommend to their crew, he replies.
'yes we did shake hands and we all thought, both myself and the reps that we had a deal we could recommend to the crew; however the most important people themselves, the crew, said the deal was unacceptable'
Q: how do they know what the crew (majority) felt it they never had a ballot on this offer?>
..and then he also accuses BA of amnesia!!!!!!!
How totally unprofessional!
'yes we did shake hands and we all thought, both myself and the reps that we had a deal we could recommend to the crew; however the most important people themselves, the crew, said the deal was unacceptable'
Q: how do they know what the crew (majority) felt it they never had a ballot on this offer?>
..and then he also accuses BA of amnesia!!!!!!!
How totally unprofessional!
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ORJ - spot on. Also TW says that ALL the shop stewards were in agreement about recommending ( reluctantly? ) the deal in OCT. Whaaaat! Have I missed something. DH for one, wasn't going to recommend it in a million years.
The last bit of the interview - from 14.30 min onwards, just illustrates perfectly what WW means as dealing with a dysfunctional group. I know he meant Bassa originally, but this interview clearly now includes TW in that statement!! He adds that BA are now back in profit. Oh dear Tony, would someone please explain to him that 'this profit' was for the 1st 6 months, and the difficult winter 6 months is still to come. I totally despair that these 'so called professionals' know so little about business
Also edited to add that this strike is really about trying to give WW a bloody nose on his way to IAG on 24th jan next IMO. I'm sure he's really worried to death!
The last bit of the interview - from 14.30 min onwards, just illustrates perfectly what WW means as dealing with a dysfunctional group. I know he meant Bassa originally, but this interview clearly now includes TW in that statement!! He adds that BA are now back in profit. Oh dear Tony, would someone please explain to him that 'this profit' was for the 1st 6 months, and the difficult winter 6 months is still to come. I totally despair that these 'so called professionals' know so little about businessAlso edited to add that this strike is really about trying to give WW a bloody nose on his way to IAG on 24th jan next IMO. I'm sure he's really worried to death!
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Dave, you want to post here, and we re happy to have you.
So please stick to the rules.
As said more times than we care to remember, this thread is NOT about the deal the pilots struck with BA.
So stop bringing that up.
And "crew" doesn“t mean just cabin crew; it means both cockpit and cabin crew.
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So please stick to the rules.
As said more times than we care to remember, this thread is NOT about the deal the pilots struck with BA.
So stop bringing that up.
And "crew" doesn“t mean just cabin crew; it means both cockpit and cabin crew.
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Someone tell me if I have totally misunderstood but I read some earlier posts on this forum and Mr Woodley has 4 points of contention with BA.
From where I'm sat, they are things that we had before the strikes took place or are related to the earlier strikes. So the High Courts will have a field day again.
Thanks Bassa and Unite for acheiving absolutely nothing on behalf of the Cabn Crew. Just more lies about how everyone else refused to negotiate and about how us Cabin Crew have somehow totally rejected the latest offer!
And as for Mr McLuskey waging a war against bullying and harrassment; he needs to wipe it out in his own offices before he can clean up the nation's employers.
Tail wagging the dog, I reckon.
From where I'm sat, they are things that we had before the strikes took place or are related to the earlier strikes. So the High Courts will have a field day again.
Thanks Bassa and Unite for acheiving absolutely nothing on behalf of the Cabn Crew. Just more lies about how everyone else refused to negotiate and about how us Cabin Crew have somehow totally rejected the latest offer!
And as for Mr McLuskey waging a war against bullying and harrassment; he needs to wipe it out in his own offices before he can clean up the nation's employers.
Tail wagging the dog, I reckon.
TW and Untie have completely lost the plot!! I thought that TW had at least 'half a brain', but his latest ramblings have removed that kindly thought.
It is all so predictable that the half-witted reps from bassa & amicus think that they should be involved in negotiations. Would these be the same negotiations that they voted NOT to engage in and the same negotiations that THEY screwed up by spending all their time bitching and moaning and refusing to work together - all as carefully explained in the court transcript.
How long will the other BA employees who are members of Untie continue to pay their dues to such a bunch of complete dimwits who seem hell-bent on screwing up the company that pays their wages.
The 4 points that have been announced are exactly the same as previous times and it appears that Untie think that the cabin crew should not have to make savings because BA have declared a profit.
Wake up and smell any kind of coffee!!
The only reason that profits came our way was because the majority of BA employees accepted changes to their T&Cs. It is essential that BA force through change within IFCE and do not let them off the hook!
Since Untie are still just bitching and moaning about previous issues they are sure to set themselves up for a fall. 'Unprotected legal action' WILL hopefully result in the militant agitators being sacked.
Interesting to hear that the Human Resources section are being taken over by the legal department. Maybe this time the company will take appropriate action - and get shot of the trouble-makers once at for all.
It is all so predictable that the half-witted reps from bassa & amicus think that they should be involved in negotiations. Would these be the same negotiations that they voted NOT to engage in and the same negotiations that THEY screwed up by spending all their time bitching and moaning and refusing to work together - all as carefully explained in the court transcript.
How long will the other BA employees who are members of Untie continue to pay their dues to such a bunch of complete dimwits who seem hell-bent on screwing up the company that pays their wages.
The 4 points that have been announced are exactly the same as previous times and it appears that Untie think that the cabin crew should not have to make savings because BA have declared a profit.
Wake up and smell any kind of coffee!!
The only reason that profits came our way was because the majority of BA employees accepted changes to their T&Cs. It is essential that BA force through change within IFCE and do not let them off the hook!
Since Untie are still just bitching and moaning about previous issues they are sure to set themselves up for a fall. 'Unprotected legal action' WILL hopefully result in the militant agitators being sacked.
Interesting to hear that the Human Resources section are being taken over by the legal department. Maybe this time the company will take appropriate action - and get shot of the trouble-makers once at for all.
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'Lenny' (swept into power on a 15% majority) appears to have put paid to any chance of a deal and appears hell bent on confrontation which will surely lead to industrial action and the fall out to follow.
If BA stopped processing BASSA/Unite dues out of pay, would BASSA members still opt to pay by direct debit ? - i suspect not.
If BA stopped processing BASSA/Unite dues out of pay, would BASSA members still opt to pay by direct debit ? - i suspect not.
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Cabin crew have been working to the new crewing levels for well over a year now, so as a community WE HAVE contributed to the profits.
I do realise that this was not agreed by the unions and that the union has also caused costs but people keep on saying that cabin crew have made no contribution and this is not true.
BA have made huge savings from the cabin crew compliment changes which are ongoing savings and will be making further savings from their introduction of the new M/F contract.
I think that for now BA will just let the union carry on making a fool of itself as BA have been able to implement M/F anyway. I personally feel that Bassa and Amicus's actions have caused us cabin crew far more damage than anything that BA would have done had they negotiated in an adult manner. I am worried about the future but everything that these unions do just seems to make things worse for us cabin crew.
I do realise that this was not agreed by the unions and that the union has also caused costs but people keep on saying that cabin crew have made no contribution and this is not true.
BA have made huge savings from the cabin crew compliment changes which are ongoing savings and will be making further savings from their introduction of the new M/F contract.
I think that for now BA will just let the union carry on making a fool of itself as BA have been able to implement M/F anyway. I personally feel that Bassa and Amicus's actions have caused us cabin crew far more damage than anything that BA would have done had they negotiated in an adult manner. I am worried about the future but everything that these unions do just seems to make things worse for us cabin crew.
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Well said Betty Girl. There is precious little acknowledgment that the CC community have made savings - forced rather than negotiated, but still savings. However, the strike action that has been taken has also cost the company about £150m which is very similar to the amount of savings they have contributed. So all in all the CC community have not really contributed in any meaningful way.
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Just thought that some of you may be interested that there are M/F cabin crew upset on another forum that they have only been given one day off after some of their long haul flights.
I am surprised that they don't trigger two days off as a minimum as they can be rostered a block of short haul work immediately before as well. Anyway not surprisingly some of them seem upset about this. I know that when I was on long haul many moons ago I would have found it very hard to just have one day off because it is a physically tiring job, on your feet most of the time.
I also note that Finnair cabin crew are on strike about Finnair trying to reduce their days off after long haul flights too. Seems that the working conditions of all cabin crew are a popular target at the moment.
I am surprised that they don't trigger two days off as a minimum as they can be rostered a block of short haul work immediately before as well. Anyway not surprisingly some of them seem upset about this. I know that when I was on long haul many moons ago I would have found it very hard to just have one day off because it is a physically tiring job, on your feet most of the time.
I also note that Finnair cabin crew are on strike about Finnair trying to reduce their days off after long haul flights too. Seems that the working conditions of all cabin crew are a popular target at the moment.
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Yes BettyGirl you are 100% right - MF rosters are out with first longhaul trips and we have just got 1 day off after a longhaul trip - not what we were expecting at all
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