British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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SlideBustle,
That was a good post and shows how confussed alot of crew are.
I personaly find that on eurofleet where I work more crew are thinking the offer is ok. I find that the only crew unhappy are the ones that want staff travel back.
I am choosing to believe BF when he says that no one will be forced on to the New Fleet. I am also choosng to believe him when he says that route transfers will be done in agreement with Unite.
I have just got a letter through the post from the union saying things like:-
'What stands in the way of you being part of New Fleet?' and
'We cannot do it for you nor can your collegues who showed their bravery last time. You have a decision to make. Join them on the next strike dates or put your trust in Mr. Walsh and accept this as an offer to end conflict.
The whole letter is basically a call to strike and filled with emotional blackmail like :-
'It is simply not right that thousands of cabin crew endured the hardship of weeks of lost earnings and the loss of staff travel for them and their families, while others appeared to carry on working, apparently oblivious to the issues that we all face'
Well thousands did do this but they did it because of BASSA's inability to talk to the company and because BASSA told them to. People that went to work did so because they did not agree with striking and wanted their union to negotiate not strike.
Please be sure to understand that BASSA will not get a better deal because they are unable to negotiate. This is all about returning staff travel now. You can be sure that if the return of staff travel was in this agreement they would accept it.
Please don't vote against this offer because the next step will be a call to strike. I don't want people like you and PC767 to put your jobs at risk for nothing.
BASSA are playing into Walsh's hands. If a strike happens again it is just Christmas early for Willie Walsh. He gets to get rid of more crew with the help of the courts and VCC's and will make Mixed Fleet even bigger faster. Just one example of BASSA's previous record is the current long range agreement, that was negotiated by CC89 and BASSA were against that back then but I don't think you will find any crew that are unhappy about that agreement.
Please do read it like you said you would and remember BASSA are already rallying us all to strike and that is yet again before they know how their members feel about this offer. They use emotional blackmail to make people vote the way they want them too. Please don't be fooled. At first this was all about CSD's not wanting to work and now it is all about staff travel. They have never negotiated for the vast majority of crew in good faith.
That was a good post and shows how confussed alot of crew are.
I personaly find that on eurofleet where I work more crew are thinking the offer is ok. I find that the only crew unhappy are the ones that want staff travel back.
I am choosing to believe BF when he says that no one will be forced on to the New Fleet. I am also choosng to believe him when he says that route transfers will be done in agreement with Unite.
I have just got a letter through the post from the union saying things like:-
'What stands in the way of you being part of New Fleet?' and
'We cannot do it for you nor can your collegues who showed their bravery last time. You have a decision to make. Join them on the next strike dates or put your trust in Mr. Walsh and accept this as an offer to end conflict.
The whole letter is basically a call to strike and filled with emotional blackmail like :-
'It is simply not right that thousands of cabin crew endured the hardship of weeks of lost earnings and the loss of staff travel for them and their families, while others appeared to carry on working, apparently oblivious to the issues that we all face'
Well thousands did do this but they did it because of BASSA's inability to talk to the company and because BASSA told them to. People that went to work did so because they did not agree with striking and wanted their union to negotiate not strike.
Please be sure to understand that BASSA will not get a better deal because they are unable to negotiate. This is all about returning staff travel now. You can be sure that if the return of staff travel was in this agreement they would accept it.
Please don't vote against this offer because the next step will be a call to strike. I don't want people like you and PC767 to put your jobs at risk for nothing.
BASSA are playing into Walsh's hands. If a strike happens again it is just Christmas early for Willie Walsh. He gets to get rid of more crew with the help of the courts and VCC's and will make Mixed Fleet even bigger faster. Just one example of BASSA's previous record is the current long range agreement, that was negotiated by CC89 and BASSA were against that back then but I don't think you will find any crew that are unhappy about that agreement.
Please do read it like you said you would and remember BASSA are already rallying us all to strike and that is yet again before they know how their members feel about this offer. They use emotional blackmail to make people vote the way they want them too. Please don't be fooled. At first this was all about CSD's not wanting to work and now it is all about staff travel. They have never negotiated for the vast majority of crew in good faith.
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Juan. In answer to your question about Ramp workers, tug drivers. As one myself, I can assure you that the ramp has made major savings. About 34Million down on last year, not bad for a section with just over 2,000 staff. Huge changes to working practices, numbers of staff per job, loss off overtime ( even less when CC are on strike !! Thanks ). Even more changes to come in October. Yep, I think I can say that we have done our bit.
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It's really, really not a good idea to try and argue that other areas of BA haven't had their share of pain. All it does is emphasise how far from the real BA world you are.
Why do you think gate staff, loaders, TRM's and ground crew sometimes give you a less than fulsome welcome at the aircraft? Because most of them have had their teams reduced by 20,30 or even 40% while they watch you strike over a change to working practices that haven't even changed the number of crew on the meal service on WW, just moved a senior crew member onto a trolley.
Meeting VCC hasn't just been a pleasure because of their dedication, it's been an eye-opener as to just how hard the axe has come down at Waterside and T5 already. Teams of 16 reduced to 9 (no extra money, no less work). Gate staff working to rosters that are changed beyond all recognition. It puts my personal contribution into the shade.
I'd recommend a bit of humility when referring to our ground colleagues.
Why do you think gate staff, loaders, TRM's and ground crew sometimes give you a less than fulsome welcome at the aircraft? Because most of them have had their teams reduced by 20,30 or even 40% while they watch you strike over a change to working practices that haven't even changed the number of crew on the meal service on WW, just moved a senior crew member onto a trolley.
Meeting VCC hasn't just been a pleasure because of their dedication, it's been an eye-opener as to just how hard the axe has come down at Waterside and T5 already. Teams of 16 reduced to 9 (no extra money, no less work). Gate staff working to rosters that are changed beyond all recognition. It puts my personal contribution into the shade.
I'd recommend a bit of humility when referring to our ground colleagues.
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SlideBustle wrote:
Let's look at pay. Do you expect to get your basic pay? Of course, because it is contractual. Similarly, the variable top up pay will be paid because it will be contractual. These are guaranteed payments. BASSA is lying if it says otherwise.
Let's look at cabin crew complements. BA imposed reductions in November 2009 on the basis that crew complements are not contractual. Unite disagreed and backed Malone, Stott and Devereux in a court case against BA. The judgement by Judge Sir Christopher Holland went against the plaintiffs:
Malone & Ors v British Airways Plc [2010] EWHC 302 (QB) (19 February 2010)
The key part of the judgement is here:
I know BA needs to make changes, but I also value my terms and pay. BA HAVE said they will protected. They are words that can be broken as BASSA say - but the question is will BA break this like they did crew complements? Or is it all BASSA scaremongering - as we are all aware they love that! They (apparently) have done it all the time there has been a dispute. But I am suspicious of these ''assurances''...
Let's look at cabin crew complements. BA imposed reductions in November 2009 on the basis that crew complements are not contractual. Unite disagreed and backed Malone, Stott and Devereux in a court case against BA. The judgement by Judge Sir Christopher Holland went against the plaintiffs:
Malone & Ors v British Airways Plc [2010] EWHC 302 (QB) (19 February 2010)
The key part of the judgement is here:
What I am reading is what it is: a negotiated fleet collective agreement apt to cover planning for and deployment of 11,500 employees; it is not the stuff of 11,500 individual contracts. It is thus my judgment that there was no material incorporation into Miss Malone's contract and hence there was no breach post 16 November 2009.
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I am at abit of a loss to understand your take on things. You have told us that you voted against striking and went to work yet you seem to be determined to follow the BASSA line all the way but stopping just short of standing with them on the picket line. You also tell us that you are active on the other forums with a different perspective to the one you push on here. Can I ask, do you actually have a position on the situation that we find ourselves in?
I am at abit of a loss to understand your take on things. You have told us that you voted against striking and went to work yet you seem to be determined to follow the BASSA line all the way but stopping just short of standing with them on the picket line. You also tell us that you are active on the other forums with a different perspective to the one you push on here. Can I ask, do you actually have a position on the situation that we find ourselves in?
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The link to the judgement is worth a gander, folks. Para 42, final sentence, reads:
My bold
...The continuing and presently prospective problem is money, finding the wherewithal to fund an airline of this nature and one would imagine that the only real prospect for alleviation of the impact upon cabin crew is by negotiation that truly reflects and balances the demands upon, and the commitment of the employee with the unavoidable realities of the current pressures upon management....
Given that the 'dispute' is now about Staff Travel, ie, imposition has been accepted,.... "the impact upon crew that truly refelects and balances the demands upon"...., has been sorted, right?
My bold
...The continuing and presently prospective problem is money, finding the wherewithal to fund an airline of this nature and one would imagine that the only real prospect for alleviation of the impact upon cabin crew is by negotiation that truly reflects and balances the demands upon, and the commitment of the employee with the unavoidable realities of the current pressures upon management....
Given that the 'dispute' is now about Staff Travel, ie, imposition has been accepted,.... "the impact upon crew that truly refelects and balances the demands upon"...., has been sorted, right?
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Well, he described the "ACAS fiasco" and the breakdown in negotiations and that he couldn't describe the imposition as unreasonable. All in his judgement.
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Betty Girl - why do you still belong to a Union if their viewpoints are not the same as yours?
Have you tried to say the above to a rep....if so what was the reply?
BTW - are you happy with the redeployment programme, no future IA allowed and assurances - not guarantees in this 'latest' proposal?
Be aware that what YOU now think is a better offer is only down to your colleagues standing firm against the bully walsh.
Have you tried to say the above to a rep....if so what was the reply?
BTW - are you happy with the redeployment programme, no future IA allowed and assurances - not guarantees in this 'latest' proposal?
Be aware that what YOU now think is a better offer is only down to your colleagues standing firm against the bully walsh.
Be aware that what YOU now think is a better offer is only down to your colleagues standing firm against the bully walsh
Keep standing firm against the "bully Walsh" and with your current success rate you'll end up paying to come to work!
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Juan
As you are online now, perhaps you could respond to the posts that answer your questions re other departments 'doing their 'bit'..(well, 'lots' actually)'
also
Why do you view Mr Walsh as a bully? Thanks
also
Be aware that what YOU now think is a better offer is only down to your colleagues standing firm against the bully walsh.
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Juan,
The offer has not been improved but just changed to make the travel payment a guarantee of minimum and not a replacement.
The changes have been made because of crew like me talking to BF and also emailing our concerns about the original Travel Payment.
All this could have been done by the unions but they decided to call a strike. New Fleet plans started in earnest the week that industrial action was announced. My manager was seconded to a 'special project' the following week. This has turned out to be Mixed Fleet.
The union has not gained anything at all. It has just lost you your staff travel for nothing. It could have negotiated and got a deal to have new crew on our fleet but it was too busy getting upset about CSD's having to do a bit of work on a flight for a change.
Of course I have emailed all my thoughts to the union but they are not interested in what their members actually want. They are too busy getting upset about crew changes ( that most crew were not upset about) and calling strikes.
So are you saying that if I don't agree with the union I cannot be a member! That's not very democratic is it. They take my money. To be honest the union must be loosing so much money because so many crew have left it. I have only remained in the union so I can vote NO to a strike.
The offer has not been improved but just changed to make the travel payment a guarantee of minimum and not a replacement.
The changes have been made because of crew like me talking to BF and also emailing our concerns about the original Travel Payment.
All this could have been done by the unions but they decided to call a strike. New Fleet plans started in earnest the week that industrial action was announced. My manager was seconded to a 'special project' the following week. This has turned out to be Mixed Fleet.
The union has not gained anything at all. It has just lost you your staff travel for nothing. It could have negotiated and got a deal to have new crew on our fleet but it was too busy getting upset about CSD's having to do a bit of work on a flight for a change.
Of course I have emailed all my thoughts to the union but they are not interested in what their members actually want. They are too busy getting upset about crew changes ( that most crew were not upset about) and calling strikes.
So are you saying that if I don't agree with the union I cannot be a member! That's not very democratic is it. They take my money. To be honest the union must be loosing so much money because so many crew have left it. I have only remained in the union so I can vote NO to a strike.
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Interesting
As pointed out on the other forum (thanks guys)
From Reuters
BA's Walsh to guarantee flights if new strike | Reuters
And, the last paragraph from a Bloomberg report-
British Airways CEO Wages `War of Attrition' as Pay Vote Starts - Bloomberg
From Reuters
(Reuters) - British Airways will be able to guarantee all of its flights should there be any new strike action, the company's Chief Executive Willie Walsh said in an interview on Wednesday.
"If in case of a strike 100 percent of flights will, as we believe, be guaranteed, British (Airways) will not only not lose money it will end up saving," Walsh told Il Sole 24 Ore.
The days when the trade unions could ground airway companies were gone, he said.
Walsh said flight personnel costs had been cut by 45 percent. "In terms of annual savings the benefit to the company is 65 million pounds per year. For now," Walsh said.
"If in case of a strike 100 percent of flights will, as we believe, be guaranteed, British (Airways) will not only not lose money it will end up saving," Walsh told Il Sole 24 Ore.
The days when the trade unions could ground airway companies were gone, he said.
Walsh said flight personnel costs had been cut by 45 percent. "In terms of annual savings the benefit to the company is 65 million pounds per year. For now," Walsh said.
And, the last paragraph from a Bloomberg report-
“If BA continues to recruit more people on different terms they’re going to have more options for being able to cover any future industrial action,” said Marshall-James’s Cook, who doesn’t advise British Airways. “The cabin crew will find almost that the world has passed them by.”
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bettygirl wrote;
BASSA are playing into Walsh's hands. If a strike happens again it is just Christmas early for Willie Walsh. He gets to get rid of more crew with the help of the courts and VCC's and will make Mixed Fleet even bigger faster. Just one example of BASSA's previous record is the current long range agreement, that was negotiated by CC89 and BASSA were against that back then but I don't think you will find any crew that are unhappy about that agreement.
Also what about the part time problems in 1993. BA wanted to bring in part time for crew as loads of us had been asking about it. Oh No said Bassa ( as usual ) what this really means is that BA wants us ALL to go part time. No said BA. who turned out to be telling the truth. They also disagreed with the small amount of crew who wanted to go onto 5/2 instead of 6/3. It meant they would be working about 5 or 6 days/year more. THESE crew just wanted to see their families more!! I think it resulted in a strike? Not sure on that one.
The following year BA wanted to introduce the crew card for allowances. Oh NO said Bassa. What this is really about said Bassa, is that BA could see we dont spend ALL of our allowances down route and will subsequently cut them dramatically! BA replied no, its just cheaper and more efficiant to administrate. Oh yes the days when we would trudge round Europe with a bagfull of marks, pesetas, lira, krone et al. The crew now would not believe it, but good old Bassa tried to stop it.
Ah yes then there's 97. All crew will be soon on new contract pay etc. Didn't happen again. Finally i won't even go into the details of the Midfleet scenario, which was once again trashed by, yes I think you know the answer by now!!
BASSA are playing into Walsh's hands. If a strike happens again it is just Christmas early for Willie Walsh. He gets to get rid of more crew with the help of the courts and VCC's and will make Mixed Fleet even bigger faster. Just one example of BASSA's previous record is the current long range agreement, that was negotiated by CC89 and BASSA were against that back then but I don't think you will find any crew that are unhappy about that agreement.
Also what about the part time problems in 1993. BA wanted to bring in part time for crew as loads of us had been asking about it. Oh No said Bassa ( as usual ) what this really means is that BA wants us ALL to go part time. No said BA. who turned out to be telling the truth. They also disagreed with the small amount of crew who wanted to go onto 5/2 instead of 6/3. It meant they would be working about 5 or 6 days/year more. THESE crew just wanted to see their families more!! I think it resulted in a strike? Not sure on that one.
The following year BA wanted to introduce the crew card for allowances. Oh NO said Bassa. What this is really about said Bassa, is that BA could see we dont spend ALL of our allowances down route and will subsequently cut them dramatically! BA replied no, its just cheaper and more efficiant to administrate. Oh yes the days when we would trudge round Europe with a bagfull of marks, pesetas, lira, krone et al. The crew now would not believe it, but good old Bassa tried to stop it.
Ah yes then there's 97. All crew will be soon on new contract pay etc. Didn't happen again. Finally i won't even go into the details of the Midfleet scenario, which was once again trashed by, yes I think you know the answer by now!!
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Juan,
You can do better than to be so disingenuous. The re-deployment agreement has been broadly agreed and brought into the 21st century. It's noteworthy that BA have never put a crew member in CareerLink anyway so you're not exactly giving anything up. Secondly it's not that there's no future IA allowed, more accurately that BA won't guarantee the top-up payment if there's future IA. Not quite the same thing, but then that's never been the strongest of suits of the BASSA argument has it - after all it's suited BASSA to peddle the myth that we have a no-strike clause but not to mention it only applies to a profit share agreement.
Finally, don't big yourself up. The deal on offer in June 2009 kicked this into the long grass in comparison. This current deal is markedly worse because of the IA you took in "standing up" to the "bully" (why is it only one side of this dispute that uses all the emotive language?) and not in any way, shape or form better. You're the ones who threw it all away when you could have had new fleet on the same aircraft as you, a share option and a much slower introduction of newfleet. Sad thing is, it clearly suits you as a collective to paint yourselves as some sort of crusading force for righteous morality. Even sadder thing is, it's only yourselves that have that perception of your collective. For an ever increasing number outside your department (and a strong number inside) you're just a daily, less and less funny sidebar in the history of the progression of the airline.
Fighting for the future of trades unionism in Britain? Don't make me laugh. A large number of the members of Unite hold you in nothing but contempt I'd wager not to mention those who went to work who you claim are benefitting from your "brave" actions. It's an act of mass delusion to presume you know the minds of those who worked, it's an act of mass insult to dare to tell them that they only went to work because they were too frightened and wanted you to fight for them. You big strong things you. Grow up and accept that some people just don't come to the same conclusions when given a set of data. My wife went to work because she read both sides of the deal (remember those that wear "not reading ESS" like a badge of honour, or think it's just hilarious to call senior execs in the company by playground nicknames - only one sided again, isn't it?) and decided she believed BA more than BASSA - not because she secretly hoped BASSA would win and she'd be left alone.
The lack of contemplative thought given to the alternative side of the argument by the pro-strikers leaves me breathless. It's always personal attacks, crapulent nicknames, vague unprovable assertions and a visceral dominating hatred of flight crew, who, for reasons historical (and the aforementioned lack of contemplative thought) are always top of BASSA's to-blame list. Doesn't serve your purpose as well to note the large number of Unite (remember them, fellow brethren of your mighty union?) members who volunteered to Back BA, both on the ground and in the air, does it? Meanwhile you all just crack on painting in the CEO's eyes red on posters (yes, I'm aware that was Amicus too, I strive for balance) and shouting, screaming, swearing, abusing and generally making a laughing stock of the Cabin Crew community by your increasingly juvenile actions and retorts.
Oh, and Duncan, adopt a narrative style when endeavouring to put yourself into the assumed mindset of your penny-dreadful first-person memoirs so that it at least allows a measure of possible assumption that it might, just might, not have been written by you.
As a personal PS, and one which, I fear, might see me moderated, don't assume that withdrawing your social favours from us is viewed in anyway as having a deleterious effect on the quality of my downroute time. Do you really think I want to sit at a table listening to you write the Bedfont songbook? There's plenty of good crew out there even without your self-prized company.
MrB
You can do better than to be so disingenuous. The re-deployment agreement has been broadly agreed and brought into the 21st century. It's noteworthy that BA have never put a crew member in CareerLink anyway so you're not exactly giving anything up. Secondly it's not that there's no future IA allowed, more accurately that BA won't guarantee the top-up payment if there's future IA. Not quite the same thing, but then that's never been the strongest of suits of the BASSA argument has it - after all it's suited BASSA to peddle the myth that we have a no-strike clause but not to mention it only applies to a profit share agreement.
Finally, don't big yourself up. The deal on offer in June 2009 kicked this into the long grass in comparison. This current deal is markedly worse because of the IA you took in "standing up" to the "bully" (why is it only one side of this dispute that uses all the emotive language?) and not in any way, shape or form better. You're the ones who threw it all away when you could have had new fleet on the same aircraft as you, a share option and a much slower introduction of newfleet. Sad thing is, it clearly suits you as a collective to paint yourselves as some sort of crusading force for righteous morality. Even sadder thing is, it's only yourselves that have that perception of your collective. For an ever increasing number outside your department (and a strong number inside) you're just a daily, less and less funny sidebar in the history of the progression of the airline.
Fighting for the future of trades unionism in Britain? Don't make me laugh. A large number of the members of Unite hold you in nothing but contempt I'd wager not to mention those who went to work who you claim are benefitting from your "brave" actions. It's an act of mass delusion to presume you know the minds of those who worked, it's an act of mass insult to dare to tell them that they only went to work because they were too frightened and wanted you to fight for them. You big strong things you. Grow up and accept that some people just don't come to the same conclusions when given a set of data. My wife went to work because she read both sides of the deal (remember those that wear "not reading ESS" like a badge of honour, or think it's just hilarious to call senior execs in the company by playground nicknames - only one sided again, isn't it?) and decided she believed BA more than BASSA - not because she secretly hoped BASSA would win and she'd be left alone.
The lack of contemplative thought given to the alternative side of the argument by the pro-strikers leaves me breathless. It's always personal attacks, crapulent nicknames, vague unprovable assertions and a visceral dominating hatred of flight crew, who, for reasons historical (and the aforementioned lack of contemplative thought) are always top of BASSA's to-blame list. Doesn't serve your purpose as well to note the large number of Unite (remember them, fellow brethren of your mighty union?) members who volunteered to Back BA, both on the ground and in the air, does it? Meanwhile you all just crack on painting in the CEO's eyes red on posters (yes, I'm aware that was Amicus too, I strive for balance) and shouting, screaming, swearing, abusing and generally making a laughing stock of the Cabin Crew community by your increasingly juvenile actions and retorts.
Oh, and Duncan, adopt a narrative style when endeavouring to put yourself into the assumed mindset of your penny-dreadful first-person memoirs so that it at least allows a measure of possible assumption that it might, just might, not have been written by you.
As a personal PS, and one which, I fear, might see me moderated, don't assume that withdrawing your social favours from us is viewed in anyway as having a deleterious effect on the quality of my downroute time. Do you really think I want to sit at a table listening to you write the Bedfont songbook? There's plenty of good crew out there even without your self-prized company.
MrB
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Betty Girl - BF also said MF would take on new crew at market rate + 10%. Well with a starter rate of £11k that puts the market rate at £10k........can you tell me of any UK airline that has a starter rate of £10k and especially in the London area. Also £2.40 flight pay....does any airline pay less?
Maybe you can ask bill when you next have a 'chat' to explain?
Maybe you can ask bill when you next have a 'chat' to explain?
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Mr. Bunker. What a great post. You sum it all up perfectly IMO. I just wish someone would have a word in DH ear and tell him he should try and become a professional writer - fiction only though. As an aside if I was a Southampton fan, I'd begin to worry that as their 'official' historian ( wiki ) what in their past actually happened or not? I'm amazed he hasn't had them down as winners of the champions league at some point!!
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Juan Odeboyse,
BA's intention is to recruit at 10% above market rate. Maybe that's true, maybe not. But you've decided to disbelieve this in advance and want someone else to investigate this for you. I am impressed - not.
BA's intention is to recruit at 10% above market rate. Maybe that's true, maybe not. But you've decided to disbelieve this in advance and want someone else to investigate this for you. I am impressed - not.
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Juan Odeboyse said,
Be aware that what YOU now think is a better offer is only down to your colleagues standing firm against the bully walsh.
Be aware that what YOU now think is a better offer is only down to your colleagues standing firm against the bully walsh.
Juan, what took you so long to come up with that?
I only mentioned that to a friend on the phone this morning, that it's only a matter of time before the strikers come on here stating the latest offer is down to them.
Incredible!
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The Final Offer To Cabin Crew From Bill Francis
So....................
Here it is........finally the final!
Fill your boots, its your choice!
make or break..................
boom or bust................
Here it is........finally the final!
Fill your boots, its your choice!
make or break..................
boom or bust................
Bill's letter to Heathrow cabin crew
Dear colleague
Your future in your hands
I promised to write to you at home with an offer for you to secure your future in BA.
We’ve been talking for some time now about the changes we need to make in IFCE to be
competitive. We have made significant progress through the introduction of Mixed Fleet and
the new crew complements at Heathrow. Regrettably, there has also been damaging strike
action by Unite.
Many of you have said to me that you want us to find a way to end the dispute and to begin to
rebuild the trust and respect of our customers and our colleagues.
I hope you will join me on that journey, which begins today.
Our offer to you
As you know, we have made a new offer to Unite and we are making it available to those of
you who are not a member of the union as an individual offer.
Before I tell you how you can sign up, I would like to point out that there are some differences
between the offers, and to explain why this is.
Both the offers include protections for your existing pay, contracts and career opportunities,
assurances about your future earnings and rises in base pay over two years alongside
incremental pay awards.
There is no pay cut and no cut in allowances.
There are changes we would like to make – for example, to the existing disruption agreement
and to some of our corporate policies – which we would like to discuss with our unions before
we go ahead. Because of this, they are not included in the individual offer but when those
changes are made, they will be introduced for everyone.
You can see both the offers in full on the intranet.
If you are NOT a member of Unite
If you are not a member of Unite, we are making an offer to you personally. By signing and
returning the form in this letter, you can accept:
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A two year pay deal from February 2011
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Protections for your terms and conditions, now and in the future
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A new crew top up scheme for variable pay
All you need to do is confirm to us that you were not a member of Unite on Friday June 25,
the day we formally made the offer available, and send the signed form back to us.
If you choose to accept the offer, you are not changing any other term or condition of your
employment contract.
You’d also enjoy the benefit of any deals that may be done in the future through the normal
collective bargaining arrangement we have with Unite. So, you won’t lose out in the future by
making a personal choice now.
If you ARE a member of Unite
If you are a union member, we cannot lawfully make the same individual offer available to you
directly.
However, the collective offer we have made to your union includes exactly the same
protections with no pay cuts and assurances about your future.
If you would like the offer, you can vote to accept it when your union sends you a ballot
paper.
If you have lost your staff travel because you took strike action, voting to accept the offer
would pave the way for your staff travel to be returned once our offer is accepted and
implemented.
Staff travel is not part of the offer itself. That’s because returning your travel concessions is a
decision the company will make based on implementation of the deal. That progress will be
reviewed with the support of the Trades Union Congress.
If you are a commuter who has lost eligibility, it will be returned on the route from your home
to work as soon as our offer is accepted and signed by Unite.
What happens now
I hope you can see that we will continue to recognise and value your role.
If you are eligible for the individual offer, please sign the form and return it to us using the prepaid
envelope by Saturday July 31, 2010.
If you are not eligible for the individual offer, please make sure your union represents your
views. You cannot leave the union to accept the offer and it is only open to individuals who
were not members of Unite on Friday, June 25.
If you have any questions about what it means for you, please speak with your crew team
manager who will be happy to answer any queries you may have. We know the next few
weeks will be an important time for you and there will be lots of opportunities for you to meet
with the management team and talk this through personally. Please look out for more details
on the intranet and email.
Thank you.
Bill Francis
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