British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I presume the inference by Dave3 is that volunteers are mercenaries just looking at topping-up their wages for the odd allowance that crewing a/c entails.
Volunteers gave up weekends and evenings to train. Vounteers were carefully selected (in our area anyway) so the impact on those they left behind would be minimal - however, workloads inevitably increase for everyone else covering them.
I personally took two weeks unpaid leave last year. Many of my colleagues did the same. Some took "unpaid work".
And we are still catching-up with some of the backlogs that created.
So, if you are saying - the rest of the airline haven't done their bit then find out some facts first.
We are all working feverishly to clear up the devastation that the strikes are causing.
And all you can do is say volunteers should be working for free?
Unbelievable.
Sorry - but the strength of feeling among ALL fellows employees I have spoken to is not one of just "disagreement" with the actions of CC so far, but is now one of anger.
I don't think you realise how alone in the airline, you are.
Volunteers gave up weekends and evenings to train. Vounteers were carefully selected (in our area anyway) so the impact on those they left behind would be minimal - however, workloads inevitably increase for everyone else covering them.
I personally took two weeks unpaid leave last year. Many of my colleagues did the same. Some took "unpaid work".
And we are still catching-up with some of the backlogs that created.
So, if you are saying - the rest of the airline haven't done their bit then find out some facts first.
We are all working feverishly to clear up the devastation that the strikes are causing.
And all you can do is say volunteers should be working for free?
Unbelievable.
Sorry - but the strength of feeling among ALL fellows employees I have spoken to is not one of just "disagreement" with the actions of CC so far, but is now one of anger.
I don't think you realise how alone in the airline, you are.
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no you are missing my point if you volunteered you volunteered you should not have been paid.. any volunteers pilots,, mangers from waterside, ground crew anyone should give money back that they got whilst volunteering...
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I am starting to suspect you may be posting statements which are so outlandish simply to wind people up. If you are, it's not very constructive and a little pointless. If you genuinely believe what you are saying allow me to apologise but perhaps I could ask a question?
Are you actually saying that while you were on strike, attempting to cost your employer tens of millions of pounds and not doin the job you are paid to do ou should be paid by BA? That seems to be what you are saying but I may be misinterpreting your posts
I am starting to suspect you may be posting statements which are so outlandish simply to wind people up. If you are, it's not very constructive and a little pointless. If you genuinely believe what you are saying allow me to apologise but perhaps I could ask a question?
Are you actually saying that while you were on strike, attempting to cost your employer tens of millions of pounds and not doin the job you are paid to do ou should be paid by BA? That seems to be what you are saying but I may be misinterpreting your posts
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The volunteers made more money out of the strike than cabin crew would normaly have made in a working day TRUTH.... and a volunteer should not make any money, no matter how you answer, volunteering is just that ,volunteering.. if you chose to volunteer you should not have been paid
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Litebulbs has been a long running contributor to ALL the BA v BASSA threads, and has, earned his spurs, as it were. Whilst I
ay not agree with all of his points, I think he provides an interesting Unite slant to the thread.
I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by banning him??
ay not agree with all of his points, I think he provides an interesting Unite slant to the thread.
I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by banning him??
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IF that were true - what on earth has it got to do with anything?
Any remuneration - however it is paid - is between BA and employees.
Talk about smokescreen argument.
Folk are on strike and you are bickering about some expenses their replacements receive?
If it's done anything - it's opened peoples eyes regarding the things CC claim for, which is the whole point of what WW is trying to amend is it not?
VCC gave up weekends and evenings to train anyway - so why should they be out of pocket as well for doing the job you have decided you don't want to do?
I suspect this is a wind-up.
Any remuneration - however it is paid - is between BA and employees.
Talk about smokescreen argument.
Folk are on strike and you are bickering about some expenses their replacements receive?
If it's done anything - it's opened peoples eyes regarding the things CC claim for, which is the whole point of what WW is trying to amend is it not?
VCC gave up weekends and evenings to train anyway - so why should they be out of pocket as well for doing the job you have decided you don't want to do?
I suspect this is a wind-up.
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The union negotiated the terms and conditions that you came over on and that a few enjoyed when volunteering...
All credit to BASSA for struggling on to keep what they have until now. Unfortunately it makes the fall to current, modern terms and consitions all the more painful.
Shame they didn't negotiate and rationalise a little more evenly over the years.
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You seem to turn and twist all agreements on this forum to suit yourselves.. a volunteer is a volunteer they cost the company money.. it is my belief that they were given more than allowances... taxi to work. hotel accomadation paid for, taxi home and extra money to enjoy themselves whilst away..not just a small point one that cost the company more money than needed...
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Dave3 the COD definition of volunteer is
So, you go on strike, hence lose your basic pay. You also expect the person doing the job in your stead to receive no basic pay??
If I were in your position as a striker, with the current legal position, I would be worrying about far more than the pedantic definition of volunteer.
a person who voluntarily (of his own free will) takes part in an enterprise
So, you go on strike, hence lose your basic pay. You also expect the person doing the job in your stead to receive no basic pay??
If I were in your position as a striker, with the current legal position, I would be worrying about far more than the pedantic definition of volunteer.
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In reality they should have been given all of the above as they are trying to save the company while you are trying to destroy it.
Sadly they only received normal meal allowances nothing more or less.
Sadly they only received normal meal allowances nothing more or less.
volunteer - OCD definition
volunteer
• noun 1 a person who freely offers to do something. 2 a person who works for an organization without being paid. 3 a person who freely enrols for military service rather than being conscripted.
• verb 1 freely offer to do something. 2 say or suggest something without being asked. 3 freely enrol for military service rather than being conscripted. 4 commit (someone) to an undertaking.
— ORIGIN from French volontaire ‘voluntary’.
• noun 1 a person who freely offers to do something. 2 a person who works for an organization without being paid. 3 a person who freely enrols for military service rather than being conscripted.
• verb 1 freely offer to do something. 2 say or suggest something without being asked. 3 freely enrol for military service rather than being conscripted. 4 commit (someone) to an undertaking.
— ORIGIN from French volontaire ‘voluntary’.
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If CC don't like it then don't strike - do what you are paid to do and then you wouldn't have to put up with volunteers - simple.
Without them BA would have lost even more money than they have already and more passengers than they have already - lose anymore and its curtains for BA.
Without them BA would have lost even more money than they have already and more passengers than they have already - lose anymore and its curtains for BA.
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Dave
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I tried being subtle and polite but to no avail. In fact I have only posted on here about 5 or 6 times. Each one has been a genuine question looking for a genuine answer. I've never actually received a straight answer.
I'll try the direct route
Do you believe you should of been paid by BA while you were on strike?
The volunteer argument is, to be honest a little weird. I'm not sure what you are saying. I suppose that as people were paid allowances (they have to eat!) alongside their normal pay perhaps volunteer is not technically the cottect word. There you go. You have someone agreeing with you. Your point is technically correct. I'm not sure what that's achieved though?
I tried being subtle and polite but to no avail. In fact I have only posted on here about 5 or 6 times. Each one has been a genuine question looking for a genuine answer. I've never actually received a straight answer.
I'll try the direct route
Do you believe you should of been paid by BA while you were on strike?
The volunteer argument is, to be honest a little weird. I'm not sure what you are saying. I suppose that as people were paid allowances (they have to eat!) alongside their normal pay perhaps volunteer is not technically the cottect word. There you go. You have someone agreeing with you. Your point is technically correct. I'm not sure what that's achieved though?
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they did not just receivemeal allownaces they received much much more..do not make them out to be the saviours of the airline... the real saviours are the ones who put their necks on the line and lost money to try and save the terms and conditions for all... I expected to loose money for the days I took IA no more no less.. I took IA for 1 day got 11 days pay taken off me...
