British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Demomonkey: I think we are broadly in agreement. I don't presume to know the whole story, but I am an industry professional, and a believer in British Airways. I have a number of friends working there both in the cabin, and the flight deck so for all those reasons want to see the company succeed, and thrive. I would add that I was made redundant almost 15 months ago from an airline, and really wouldn't want to have any of my friends, or any other flight crew going through the experience. And totally selfishly if all of BA's flight deck end up looking for jobs I will well and truly stuffed!
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earley boy post ----"THAT'S why you have no support on the ramp. If you doubt this PM me and I will escort you into a ramp rest room of your choice where you can take a Q and A session. You will get out alive, I guarantee it. You may be a tab vocally abused, but no less the WW has had to suffer in the press of late !!"
a good post earleyboy
a good post earleyboy
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Ottergirl,
Nice to see you spoke to the yellow tabarded guys, we give up our weekends and evenings to support you to get too work, I know it can be difficult, but the odd smile or word really helps make it worthwhile, unfortunatley we don`t see enough of it,
Nice to see you spoke to the yellow tabarded guys, we give up our weekends and evenings to support you to get too work, I know it can be difficult, but the odd smile or word really helps make it worthwhile, unfortunatley we don`t see enough of it,
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WW took the penalty shot-missed,Pilots scored 1 own goal,Cabin Crew defended well,so now going into extra time.(great refereeing by Louisa Baldini)!!.Bet it goes to a penalty shoot out.
I am fearful that in the not-too-distant future, the cabin crew will realise that it is actually they who have scored a massive own goal. Miamimike, what do you see as a satisfactory and realistic outcome in all of this?
WW took the penalty shot-missed,Pilots scored 1 own goal,Cabin Crew defended well,so now going into extra time.(great refereeing by Louisa Baldini)!!.Bet it goes to a penalty shoot out.
I am fearful that in the not-too-distant future, the cabin crew will realise that it is actually they who have scored a massive own goal. Miamimike, what do you see as a satisfactory and realistic outcome in all of this?
As a long serving member of CC I have always held the nigels in high regard.Their action has exasperated an already highly charged divide re CC/WW.Im afraid its pure folly to say that everyone should act professionally and rise above it.Many will but many wont.Sadly Im a veteran of strikes,I know all about the aftermath.
As for the secondary aspect,WW needs to swallow his pride and put the pre-strike offer back.ST has to be re-instated,failing this customers will walk.This will be relatively simple compared to the primary problem.
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That very sad lynch mob who thought it was ok to wander the streets of West London shouting offensive and intimidating remarks towards innocent people show how low and desperate these morons have become.
Furthermore, for those that were BA employees (most were probably from rent-a-mob) I would start reading up on the airlines disciplinary procedures, so they are familiar with the process they are about to go through, deservedly so
It's also nice to see the union working in the best interests of the majority of its members. BA offer a reasonable deal with no pay cut only for the union to make a counter offer that includes a pay cut. They then follow that up by asking other union members to stump up a 2% levy to carry on a losing battle.
And there was me thinking the union was working FOR the people
Furthermore, for those that were BA employees (most were probably from rent-a-mob) I would start reading up on the airlines disciplinary procedures, so they are familiar with the process they are about to go through, deservedly so
It's also nice to see the union working in the best interests of the majority of its members. BA offer a reasonable deal with no pay cut only for the union to make a counter offer that includes a pay cut. They then follow that up by asking other union members to stump up a 2% levy to carry on a losing battle.
And there was me thinking the union was working FOR the people
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The video of the rabid mob on the open top bus almost made me more angry than the first one at the Arora Hotel. I'm delighted to say that, having spoken to a few people who made it to Bedfont, those on the bus made up a small but very vocal minority of those out to have their say.
Whatever one's personal opinion is about this whole sorry debacle, it's difficult to see that behaviour as anything but inappropriate.
Whatever one's personal opinion is about this whole sorry debacle, it's difficult to see that behaviour as anything but inappropriate.
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Furthermore, for those that were BA employees (most were probably from rent-a-mob) I would start reading up on the airlines disciplinary procedures, so they are familiar with the process they are about to go through, deservedly so
People have every right to withdraw their labour. Equally, people have the right to go to work too.
(Personal views above, not those of my employer)
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After watching the YOU TUBE video of Bath road marchers my thoughts go out to the crew in the Arroa hotel who for their own reasons are at work and "backing BA" the company that is trying its hardest to provide a long term future for us all. Everyone has a opinion and a right to exercise it, it appears to me that the bullies in this dispute are the hard core Bassa thugs not BA. And all this with Unite leaders in the parade, showing that they support this kind of behaviour.
Unite showing their true colours to the public, its no wonder BA have put on so much extra security to protect their crew. A sickening display
Unite showing their true colours to the public, its no wonder BA have put on so much extra security to protect their crew. A sickening display
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As for the secondary aspect,WW needs to swallow his pride and put the pre-strike offer back.ST has to be re-instated,failing this customers will walk.This will be relatively simple compared to the primary problem.
Mike, as you've already experienced strikes you'll know the answer to this one. WW doesn't have to come to the table, it is down to BASSA.
The simple reasoning behind this is that any action taken has to be successful enough to use as a lever. BASSA has a broken handle on their lever, the strike has failed in its objective to stop BA flying passengers.
As a dispute, this is a test case of how to get it so wrong that it actually galvanises an entire airline into action, unionised staff and management alike. Astonishing, it is almost like BASSA are a BA management sleeper cell...
I believe that many of my Engineering colleagues are stopping their subs to Unite as well. Unite will be back to its constituent parts by the end of this dispute such is the harm that BASSA has managed. To forget to unholster one gun before pulling the trigger is bad enough, but to shoot off both feet...
As for the secondary aspect,WW needs to swallow his pride and put the pre-strike offer back.ST has to be re-instated,failing this customers will walk.This will be relatively simple compared to the primary problem.
Mike, as you've already experienced strikes you'll know the answer to this one. WW doesn't have to come to the table, it is down to BASSA.
The simple reasoning behind this is that any action taken has to be successful enough to use as a lever. BASSA has a broken handle on their lever, the strike has failed in its objective to stop BA flying passengers.
As a dispute, this is a test case of how to get it so wrong that it actually galvanises an entire airline into action, unionised staff and management alike. Astonishing, it is almost like BASSA are a BA management sleeper cell...
I believe that many of my Engineering colleagues are stopping their subs to Unite as well. Unite will be back to its constituent parts by the end of this dispute such is the harm that BASSA has managed. To forget to unholster one gun before pulling the trigger is bad enough, but to shoot off both feet...
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You don't seem to grasp that BA has changed Mike. Di**ing about from the cabin crew isn't tolerated the way it was before when it was just too difficult to do anything about it. Act militant = leave the company from now on. Eurofleet had an 87% show rate today. Gatwick nearly 100%. The strike is a busted flush. Cranebank is turning out volunteers on a daily basis and the new permanent cabin crew course has been streamline to allow permanent crew to be trained faster. The strike can rumble on for anouther 10 weeks and BA will still make money, after which time you all get your P45s instead of the staff travel you were expecting. BA runs on VCCs for 3 more months then newfleet starts in earnest! And once more, to be certain, staff travel ain't coming back.
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What is Bassa's next move?,
Can anyone guess Bassa's next daft move? Two short strikes have not had the desired effect they'd hoped for (although they seem to think it has), so what next? A much longer strike? A longer strike will see even more crew turn their backs on their lost cause so surely they wouldn't do that, but equally, another short strike will have even less impact. Either way, they've over red rover!! 
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I am begining to wonder if UNITE are just giving BASSA enough rope to hang themselves. Given that La La will not give in, if what I have read is true. Maybe in a very short while it then gives UNITE the opportunity to state that they, ( BASSA ) are not taking advice from UNITE and acting unreasonably. Drop them and move on etc with honour intact ( well nearly!!) And that deals have been done already to exclude the present BASSA reps from further negotiation. Just a thought as I cannot see Woodley et al allowing the baying hordes to march as they did and represent CC at picket lines at Bedfont as they have. I have never seen Pickets (apart from the miners) acting in such a manner . Just my opinion and interested if other people have a similar view.
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Nothing angry about me. Just watching with faint amusement the slow motion train wreck that is collapse of BASSA. It's easy to see how Mike can believe ST will be reinstated. On the only sources of news the cabin crew believe (Crewforum and BASSA forum) there is a widespread conviction that they are winning the strike and strengthening their negotiating hand. One manifestation of this group delusion is that BA are acting illegally, BASSA can win a court injunction to prevent BA removing staff travel and that crew are so righteious in striking that Virgin, KLM and Easyjet are going to sell BA crew ID90s at their ticket desks regardless of what BA does. Like I said, delusional.
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Press at Bedfont?
Were there any press at Bedfont today? It has gone awfully quiet in the media about this strike. The press have notoriously short attention spans. I wondered if they had got bored and moved on.
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Of course the press have got bored. BA have won, the strikers have lost their staff travel (will also probably loose their jobs too) and BASSA and union presence has been depleted to nothing.
Time to move on!
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Time to move on!
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Juan T, I suspect you're right. Coverage has been dwindling each day. WW hasn't budged. Unite haven't announced their next move - probably a bit confused. The only thing they can do now is wave the white flag. Thing is, when Bassa have had their wings clipped they'll blame everyone else but themselves.
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Nothing angry about me. Just watching with faint amusement the slow motion train wreck that is collapse of BASSA. It's easy to see how Mike can believe ST will be reinstated. On the only sources of news the cabin crew believe (Crewforum and BASSA forum) there is a widespread conviction that they are winning the strike and strengthening their negotiating hand. One manifestation of this group delusion is that BA are acting illegally, BASSA can win a court injunction to prevent BA removing staff travel and that crew are so righteious in striking that Virgin, KLM and Easyjet are going to sell BA crew ID90s at their ticket desks regardless of what BA does. Like I said, delusional.
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Well it will be utopia once the BASSA militant lot are banded to the job centre. This is a train wreck and it's actually quite funny how well Walsh is handling the situation.
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