British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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And make sure it's the P60, which doesn't show all the untaxed earnings you make from your allowances, so you can make it look like you earn less than you actually do!
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What are you on about???? P60's show ALL EARNINGS including allowances - why post drivel if you do not have all the facts. Makes me wonder if you are Airline staff - if not then you shouldn't be posting on
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It says that a victory for the company would bring "unilateral management prerogative" and an erosion of worker rights and democracy. "
P60 etc
Let's not get into a long debate about this:
HM Revenue & Customs: End-of-year forms at a glance: P9D, P11D, P11D(b)
P60
Your P60 is the summary of your pay and the tax that's been deducted from it in the tax year.
Your employer should give you a P60 to keep as a record at the end of every tax year (which runs from 6 April to 5 April the next year). If your employer doesn't give you a P60 at the end of the tax year, ask for it - you're entitled to it by law if you are still working for the employer at 5 April.
You might need it:
* to complete a Self Assessment tax return, if this applies to you
* to claim back any tax you've overpaid
* to apply for tax credits
You may also need it as proof of your income if you apply for a loan or a mortgage - so it's important to keep all your P60s safe.
P11D
Your employer uses a P11D to tell HMRC about the value of any 'benefits in kind' they've given you during the tax year. This means benefits or expenses that effectively increase your income, like:
* a company car
* private medical insurance
* interest free loans
Your employer will only declare them if you've earned at least £8,500 in the year, including the value of the benefits. They will work out how much each benefit is worth, record it on the form and send it to HMRC. They'll also give you a copy, which you'll need for your records or if you complete a tax return.
If you apply for a loan or mortgage, banks and building societies will accept a P11D as proof of extra income.
Your P60 is the summary of your pay and the tax that's been deducted from it in the tax year.
Your employer should give you a P60 to keep as a record at the end of every tax year (which runs from 6 April to 5 April the next year). If your employer doesn't give you a P60 at the end of the tax year, ask for it - you're entitled to it by law if you are still working for the employer at 5 April.
You might need it:
* to complete a Self Assessment tax return, if this applies to you
* to claim back any tax you've overpaid
* to apply for tax credits
You may also need it as proof of your income if you apply for a loan or a mortgage - so it's important to keep all your P60s safe.
P11D
Your employer uses a P11D to tell HMRC about the value of any 'benefits in kind' they've given you during the tax year. This means benefits or expenses that effectively increase your income, like:
* a company car
* private medical insurance
* interest free loans
Your employer will only declare them if you've earned at least £8,500 in the year, including the value of the benefits. They will work out how much each benefit is worth, record it on the form and send it to HMRC. They'll also give you a copy, which you'll need for your records or if you complete a tax return.
If you apply for a loan or mortgage, banks and building societies will accept a P11D as proof of extra income.
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One other observation or theory I have -
Sometimes in life you have a dilemma. You are in doubt of something, unsure, wavering, not quite convinced. Heart vs head.
By human nature you look for reassurance. Something to help you regain trust in your decision. You want to believe you are doing the right thing, and it only takes a few words to convince you to stay with your decision.
I for one am sick of the emails, texts and quotes from BASSA/ UNITE and crew supporting the strike, mainly with misinformed or inaccurate figures. They are the ones desperate to convince people to stick with them because they are losing support, and if that happens they lose their fight. They've already lost credibility in the public eye, clutching at straws for support with lies and hearsay.
BA have remained strong, they dont need to shout. I know who i'm behind, I don't want to come out of this looking like a backed a lame horse!
In the run up to the strike both sides were trying to reason with us, mainly tit for tat, both confident, both strong.
Now BASSA are still badgering and BA have gone quiet, the only messages going out are two expressing thanks for those that have kept the operation running for our customers, and one letter informing staff travel withdrawl. BA seem to be respecting our personal space.
You pays your money, you takes your choice.
(You take the consequences).
Sometimes in life you have a dilemma. You are in doubt of something, unsure, wavering, not quite convinced. Heart vs head.
By human nature you look for reassurance. Something to help you regain trust in your decision. You want to believe you are doing the right thing, and it only takes a few words to convince you to stay with your decision.
I for one am sick of the emails, texts and quotes from BASSA/ UNITE and crew supporting the strike, mainly with misinformed or inaccurate figures. They are the ones desperate to convince people to stick with them because they are losing support, and if that happens they lose their fight. They've already lost credibility in the public eye, clutching at straws for support with lies and hearsay.
BA have remained strong, they dont need to shout. I know who i'm behind, I don't want to come out of this looking like a backed a lame horse!
In the run up to the strike both sides were trying to reason with us, mainly tit for tat, both confident, both strong.
Now BASSA are still badgering and BA have gone quiet, the only messages going out are two expressing thanks for those that have kept the operation running for our customers, and one letter informing staff travel withdrawl. BA seem to be respecting our personal space.
You pays your money, you takes your choice.
(You take the consequences).
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bacabincrew
you are indeed brimming with wrongness
the P60 shows a notional amount that generates the correct tax figure in line with HMRC requirements. So non-taxed income is largely not included in the P60 figure.
Please check before stating 'facts'.
you are indeed brimming with wrongness
the P60 shows a notional amount that generates the correct tax figure in line with HMRC requirements. So non-taxed income is largely not included in the P60 figure.
Please check before stating 'facts'.
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BASSA/UNITE rep sacked...............
No compromise on travel perks, says BA chief - News & Advice, Travel - The Independent
Seems like the BASSA campaign of lies/spin/hate/untruths is finally coming to it's endgame?
Unite claimed that a union representative had been sacked today - the first person to be dismissed since the dispute started.
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Ils27left
It seems that 116 'experts' can indeed be completely and utterly wrong. They are condemming something that never happened.
Have a look at the 'definitve' post No 486 by Mr Bunker and also post No 487.
Perhaps they ought to check the facts before applying their signature to a letter? Or would that interfere with their prejudices?
Have a look at the 'definitve' post No 486 by Mr Bunker and also post No 487.
Perhaps they ought to check the facts before applying their signature to a letter? Or would that interfere with their prejudices?
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Guys,
This one's been done already by us all, myself included. Can we move it on before we get "locked-down" again? There'll be a mod lurking, I can just feel it....
Now,
About the article in the independent claiming the sacking of a rep. Anyone get anything more concrete about that?
MrB
This one's been done already by us all, myself included. Can we move it on before we get "locked-down" again? There'll be a mod lurking, I can just feel it....
Now,
About the article in the independent claiming the sacking of a rep. Anyone get anything more concrete about that?
MrB
Controversial, moi?
I also dislike the fact the CC are intimidated to the point that they cannot talk to the media or they will be dismissed.
It is not strikers being persecuted but them being bound by an existing rule applicable to all staff.
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BA Crew: 'We Won't Give In To Bullying'
Two stewardesses tell Sky News why they went on strike.
BA Strike: Cabin Crew Say They Will Not Give Into 'Bullying Tactics' Over Travel Perks | Business | Sky News
BA Strike: Cabin Crew Say They Will Not Give Into 'Bullying Tactics' Over Travel Perks | Business | Sky News
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The thing is we can debate Lizanne Malone's fake "I went to work" letter or the Professors' alleged support of Unite til the mods are blue in the face 
. It is completely and utterly irrelevant.
What matters to us cabin crew is what is on the table. Or what is not, as the case may be.
So, let's just step back from the spin machine and remind ourselves of a few FACTS and exactly what UNITE have rejected from BA, on behalf of the cabin crew community, without consultation of the membership.
ONE EXTRA FREE STAFF TRAVEL TICKET
SHARES
A BONUS PAYMENT (OVER 3YRS)
MONTHLY TRAVEL PAYMENT SET AT 2008/2009 RATES
3 YEAR PAY DEAL
NEGOTIATION RIGHTS ON ROUTE TRANSFERS TO NEW FLEET
All these things were offered by BA and rejected by UNITE. There is now nothing on the table. UNITE are on strike. Nothing has been achieved. These are undisputable facts.
We, the cabin crew community are but pawns in all of this. We HAVE already lost out. A strike is simply throwing fuel on the fire. And we are losing revenue by the minute. And that means more cost to our community.
This has to stop, or we will end up with nothing. Wear your uniform with pride this weekend, go to work, and do the only sensible thing that will retain a few of the terms and conditions that we have left. You weren't allowed to vote on the above offers - so vote with your feet now. Join the Professional Cabin Crew Council as we, once again cross the picket lines and all go to work this weekend. www.professionalcrewcouncil.com
With the new, ridiculous announcement of bouncy castles, etc, Unite have quite literally turned this into a circus. The circus must stop.
. It is completely and utterly irrelevant.What matters to us cabin crew is what is on the table. Or what is not, as the case may be.
So, let's just step back from the spin machine and remind ourselves of a few FACTS and exactly what UNITE have rejected from BA, on behalf of the cabin crew community, without consultation of the membership.
ONE EXTRA FREE STAFF TRAVEL TICKET
SHARES
A BONUS PAYMENT (OVER 3YRS)
MONTHLY TRAVEL PAYMENT SET AT 2008/2009 RATES
3 YEAR PAY DEAL
NEGOTIATION RIGHTS ON ROUTE TRANSFERS TO NEW FLEET
All these things were offered by BA and rejected by UNITE. There is now nothing on the table. UNITE are on strike. Nothing has been achieved. These are undisputable facts.
We, the cabin crew community are but pawns in all of this. We HAVE already lost out. A strike is simply throwing fuel on the fire. And we are losing revenue by the minute. And that means more cost to our community.
This has to stop, or we will end up with nothing. Wear your uniform with pride this weekend, go to work, and do the only sensible thing that will retain a few of the terms and conditions that we have left. You weren't allowed to vote on the above offers - so vote with your feet now. Join the Professional Cabin Crew Council as we, once again cross the picket lines and all go to work this weekend. www.professionalcrewcouncil.com
With the new, ridiculous announcement of bouncy castles, etc, Unite have quite literally turned this into a circus. The circus must stop.
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Join the Professional Cabin Crew Council as we, once again cross the picket lines and all go to work this weekend. Professional Cabin Crew Council - Flash Intro
By all means set up your play council but for gods sake stop ramming it down peoples throats
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Direct question
Bacabincrew
Does your organisation answer a direct question?
Could you please ask them:
Why are you on strike?
Why are they asking WW to put last week's offer back on the table?
If the offer was so awful last week it was rejected what has changed?
Sure they will happily answer those questions,please post the answers here.
Does your organisation answer a direct question?
Could you please ask them:
Why are you on strike?
Why are they asking WW to put last week's offer back on the table?
If the offer was so awful last week it was rejected what has changed?
Sure they will happily answer those questions,please post the answers here.
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Why are you on strike? Because of the imposition without negotiation of Mr Walsh
Why they are asking WW to put last week's offer back on the table? So the members can themselves decide
If the offer was so awful last week it was rejected what has changed? I don't understand your question - the Union asked for Walsh's offer to be put back on the table and he refused
Why they are asking WW to put last week's offer back on the table? So the members can themselves decide
If the offer was so awful last week it was rejected what has changed? I don't understand your question - the Union asked for Walsh's offer to be put back on the table and he refused