British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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We all know BA cannot lie "because they are a PLC" but they are experts when it comes to spinning with their figures. When they say that 70% of all rostered crew reported for duty, I have no doubt that those numbers included LGW, which would have brought up the numbers heavily as almost 100% crew down there reported for duty, ICC and crew on SEP and other ground duties. Should we also assume that they included downroute crew who cleared at LON on the days of the strike?
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MissM wrote:
LGW is a lot cheaper than LHR, LGW is a star performer for BA. I have figures to prove it, but you are not interested in figures.
Furthermore, your argument about the 737s is undermined by your ignorance of the fleet replacement. BA's plan for several years has been to have a narrow body fleet consisting only of the family of A320 aircraft. It had been planned to replace the remaining 737s in 2012 but, in the economic downturn, it was decided to save a lot of capital expenditure and keep the 19 737-400s at LGW going until 2015 or 2016. I believe that about 19 months ago BA acquired 20 upgrade kits for CFM International CFM56-3 engines in order to prolong engine life.
I asked you about your claim of a pay cut when a pay loan was offered. You have replied by saying something quite different.
Why do you find it so difficult to say "I was wrong."
BA have stated that LGW is too expensive and I should imagine that there might be some changes there soon in the near future. LGW will no be protected from New Fleet either. Why else do you think they haven't replaced your stone aged old 737 fleet yet?
Furthermore, your argument about the 737s is undermined by your ignorance of the fleet replacement. BA's plan for several years has been to have a narrow body fleet consisting only of the family of A320 aircraft. It had been planned to replace the remaining 737s in 2012 but, in the economic downturn, it was decided to save a lot of capital expenditure and keep the 19 737-400s at LGW going until 2015 or 2016. I believe that about 19 months ago BA acquired 20 upgrade kits for CFM International CFM56-3 engines in order to prolong engine life.
BASSA tried to match BALPA's deal. We offered savings equivalent to 15% of our costs to BA. BALPA offered a proposal which would save them less than half of 15%.
Why do you find it so difficult to say "I was wrong."
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Meal Chucker
Are you happy with your salary? Are you happy with your days off downroute?
BASSA have agreed to certain changes to our working practices.
Are you saying that you never get any LR trips? If that's the case, you should speak to our scheduling manager and your own manager to have it looked into. I do know that certain individuals are getting good trips all the time, which I too find frustrating.
Middy
LGW decided to make their voice unimportant when they reported for duty during the strike. There were a couple of LGW based crew at BFC who went on strike because they want to keep their union representation at the base as well transfer rights to LHR. They have my full admiration.
BA are wanting to remove the ability to transfer between LGW and LHR as they want to "find a mechanism to aid limited transfers from Gatwick under current terms and conditions".
I don't agree with that if you don't like something, leave. What sort of world would we be living in if that's what you had to do?
Betty Girl
Our union representatives have been selected by their members. We have given them the faith to act on our behalf. If they believe a proposal, which has been presented to them, it is not worth recommending, they don't ask their members because it would be pointless.
Did I agree with the 12 day strike at Christmas? No, and I was shocked when they announced it. I can be completely honest with you. I believed that management would back down as they always have in the past. Many of us believed that a strong turnout of votes in favour of a strike would give the union a strong mandate for negotiation. Having said this, when I voted I was also prepared to go on strike.
Caribbean Boy
LGW is the cheapest fleet in the company but BA have said that they are still too expensive. They will not be saved either from New Fleet.
Pilots will be getting their fair share back in a couple of years.
Are you happy with your salary? Are you happy with your days off downroute?
BASSA have agreed to certain changes to our working practices.
Are you saying that you never get any LR trips? If that's the case, you should speak to our scheduling manager and your own manager to have it looked into. I do know that certain individuals are getting good trips all the time, which I too find frustrating.
Middy
LGW decided to make their voice unimportant when they reported for duty during the strike. There were a couple of LGW based crew at BFC who went on strike because they want to keep their union representation at the base as well transfer rights to LHR. They have my full admiration.
BA are wanting to remove the ability to transfer between LGW and LHR as they want to "find a mechanism to aid limited transfers from Gatwick under current terms and conditions".
I don't agree with that if you don't like something, leave. What sort of world would we be living in if that's what you had to do?
Betty Girl
Our union representatives have been selected by their members. We have given them the faith to act on our behalf. If they believe a proposal, which has been presented to them, it is not worth recommending, they don't ask their members because it would be pointless.
Did I agree with the 12 day strike at Christmas? No, and I was shocked when they announced it. I can be completely honest with you. I believed that management would back down as they always have in the past. Many of us believed that a strong turnout of votes in favour of a strike would give the union a strong mandate for negotiation. Having said this, when I voted I was also prepared to go on strike.
Caribbean Boy
LGW is the cheapest fleet in the company but BA have said that they are still too expensive. They will not be saved either from New Fleet.
Pilots will be getting their fair share back in a couple of years.
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Middy wrote....
No, I think you misunderstand me. I have seen no evidence of what you have posted. In fact, I feel that LGW BASSA reps ARE the salt of the earth. They have stood by their base. Tried to protect the base transfer agreement, tried to fight for the purser community, and tried to protect Gatwick flying agreements from breaches. All parts of the recent ballot.
Please show me evidence of how or when the Gatwick BASSA reps have not represented the community or sold them down the river because all I can see is three very brave individuals who are striving to protect the few agreements we currently have.
You misunderstand me.
LGW cabin crew do not stand by a union who sold then down the road.
Who let their position slide.
Who turned their back when things got difficult.
Who choose to ignore them when things do not suit.
Who choose to offer a pay cut to protect LHR staff when they had already sold LGW out.
LGW cabin crew are the salt of the earth, they should be proud of their positions and asteem within BA and its workforce.
LGW cabin crew do not stand by a union who sold then down the road.
Who let their position slide.
Who turned their back when things got difficult.
Who choose to ignore them when things do not suit.
Who choose to offer a pay cut to protect LHR staff when they had already sold LGW out.
LGW cabin crew are the salt of the earth, they should be proud of their positions and asteem within BA and its workforce.
Please show me evidence of how or when the Gatwick BASSA reps have not represented the community or sold them down the river because all I can see is three very brave individuals who are striving to protect the few agreements we currently have.
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Caribbean Boy wrote...
I'm so glad you agree with me. Maybe you'll now understand why as a Gatwick crew member it was so important for me to strike. Gatwick is as you say a star performer. We've made cuts, and achieved performance targets.
So why, please explain, wasn't that enough. Why did the company chose to breach my flying agreements. Why did they rip up my transfer agreements, something I'm sure my flight crew colleagues would not have accepted, and why did they remove the 2nd PSR from the 3 class AC when they knew the PSR community would ultimately end up earning less that main crew?
These are the reasons I went on strike and why I will continue to support BASSA at LGW as I think that have more than demonstrated they want to protect my base.
LGW is a lot cheaper than LHR, LGW is a star performer for BA. I have figures to prove it, but you are not interested in figures.
I'm so glad you agree with me. Maybe you'll now understand why as a Gatwick crew member it was so important for me to strike. Gatwick is as you say a star performer. We've made cuts, and achieved performance targets.
So why, please explain, wasn't that enough. Why did the company chose to breach my flying agreements. Why did they rip up my transfer agreements, something I'm sure my flight crew colleagues would not have accepted, and why did they remove the 2nd PSR from the 3 class AC when they knew the PSR community would ultimately end up earning less that main crew?
These are the reasons I went on strike and why I will continue to support BASSA at LGW as I think that have more than demonstrated they want to protect my base.
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HAHAHAHAHAH makes a valid point.
The union representatives at LGW have been working very hard to protect the crew. But, a union is only as strong as its members make it. A union is formed by its members! Union support at LGW is very little but still BASSA are trying to protect the crew, including to maintain transfer rights to LHR, which BA would happily remove. Check their last proposal. They would only have to transfer one or two crew members a year and they have done their bit.
The union representatives at LGW have been working very hard to protect the crew. But, a union is only as strong as its members make it. A union is formed by its members! Union support at LGW is very little but still BASSA are trying to protect the crew, including to maintain transfer rights to LHR, which BA would happily remove. Check their last proposal. They would only have to transfer one or two crew members a year and they have done their bit.
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MissM,
I don't think that we will ever agree.
It is the decision of BASSA to call a strike over Christmas that was the final nail in the coffin for BASSA. This is the main reason cabin crew came into work during the strike.
It says alot if someone like you who is very loyal to the union to actually admit it shocked you too.
It was an own goal scored by people that have lost all sence of reason.They had been dealing with Willie Walsh for ages and must have realised that he would not back down.
What I wanted was a union that wanted to negotiate and what I got was one that was only looking after CSD's on longhaul and eurofleet. They cobbled up a proposal that wanted longhaul 767 work to come to E/F just to protect the CSD position on our fleet. The only people remotely happy were misguided crew that wanted to be on longhaul anyway. Then to top it off they added in a pay cut for everyone including LGW. That was good! I don't think so.
I don't think that we will ever agree.
It is the decision of BASSA to call a strike over Christmas that was the final nail in the coffin for BASSA. This is the main reason cabin crew came into work during the strike.
It says alot if someone like you who is very loyal to the union to actually admit it shocked you too.
It was an own goal scored by people that have lost all sence of reason.They had been dealing with Willie Walsh for ages and must have realised that he would not back down.
What I wanted was a union that wanted to negotiate and what I got was one that was only looking after CSD's on longhaul and eurofleet. They cobbled up a proposal that wanted longhaul 767 work to come to E/F just to protect the CSD position on our fleet. The only people remotely happy were misguided crew that wanted to be on longhaul anyway. Then to top it off they added in a pay cut for everyone including LGW. That was good! I don't think so.
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Betty Girl wrote...
Actually, as Gatwick crew, I personally felt it was a great deal. For a minimal amount I would have retained my right to transfer and had the PSR returned the 3 class A/C to boot.
I do however feel the deal was badly communicated. But, all you actually had to do was read the document. A lot of my friends at LGW didn't even bother to do that. Shame.
Then to top it off they added in a pay cut for everyone including LGW. That was good! I don't think so.
Actually, as Gatwick crew, I personally felt it was a great deal. For a minimal amount I would have retained my right to transfer and had the PSR returned the 3 class A/C to boot.
I do however feel the deal was badly communicated. But, all you actually had to do was read the document. A lot of my friends at LGW didn't even bother to do that. Shame.
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Temps shafted ??
Sorry MissM but I beg to differ. BA hires a bucket load of temps across the July/August period both in the air and on the ground. If you talk to colleagues who are ground crew at LGW you will find that the manpower planners have been flexing the numbers of PSU staff by bringing in temporary workers for an awful long time. When these folk are hired they know from the outset that whilst they are on an 11month contract, there is the usual cancellation /notice clause. Incidentally, the reason the contracts are only 11 months revolves around the fact that if it was for 12 months, they would not be deemed to be temps and would be elegible for all the benefits that full timers enjoy. No matter. The fact is that the temps had their contracts cutshort last year because - wait for it - BA was in a somewhat dire position financially. The company has been bleeding cash at a scary rate. Again, if you had spoken to anyone outside of cabin crew you would have learned that there was a wholesale block on hiring any contract or temp staff. All external spend has to be justified to the n'th degree. In my area, IT, we have had duty travel to NCL axed becasue it wasn't considered important enough. On top of that all areas were told to reduce manpower levels through VS. My area had to shed about 8% of the workforce.
Now I would have thought that even the least business minded cabin crew person might have twigged that getting rid of temps and also looking for VS volunteers kinda suggested that all was not well with the company finances. But what do we get from BASSA ? Flat refusal initially to participate in any meaningful discussions because those nasty Amicus/CC89 people are in the same room. Is this the attitude of a responsible group of individuals ? Do you really and truthfully want these people to be fighting your corner when the chips are down ? To me the coe across as a bunch of amateurs on a massive ego trip who are playing very dangerous games with not just their jobs, not just the jobs of their fellow BASSA members but the livelihoods of everyone in BA. Now I really don't care whether someone wears a Backing BA lanyard, a BASSA lanyard or one which has hearts and bluebirds on, but woe betide the person or group of people who through there mindless actions threatens to bring down the company that I have worked for over 20 years for, that I have a substantial pensions investment in and that I am also a shareholder of. As soon as BASSA issued strike dates, I volunteered for crew duties. Why ? because I recognised that a strike, if successful, would cause irreperable damage to the financial future of this company. If BA goes under, I and thousands of other staff and ex staff (there's about 100,000 all told) face the prospect of zero pension. Now you might not be that worried about having only a state pension to live on , but I don't take such a sanguine approach, partly because although I am no spring chicken, I have a young family to support. And don't trot out the line that the government will pick up the tab. The current economic climate suggests that they have rather more pressing needs for the cash they have than bailing out pension funds of collapsed companies. Oh and the pension protection pot won't cover the hole either.
I think you will find that there are an awful lot of other staff in BA who have similar views. Oddly enough it was the finance areas (which now includes IT) that put up the greatest number of volunteers. Now you have to ask yourself, if the bean counters reckon they need to step into the breach, then the numbers coming from BA management may not be entirely wrong. A further point of clarification. If you cared to look at the BA intranet pages on the subject of volunteering for crew or crew support roles, you would find exactly what is offered in terms of pay/overtime/TOIL . I'll make it easy for you. Anyone who works an early or a late gets a shift premium of about £10. Day shifts don't get this. If staff work a shift in addition to their normal working day, then they can claim the extra hours as TOIL subject to prior management approval. So we aren't doing it for the money.
By all means have your next ballot. If you manage to garner sufficient support then maybe you will want to go on strike again. But before you do, consider this. There are some 30,000 other people in BA who wish tosee the company not only survive but be successful. When you strike, you are not just hitting BA management, you are hitting these 30,000 people as well. Are the principles that you believe you are fighting for worth not just your own job, but those of 30,000 others who have never done anything to harm you ? Are they worth the pensions that go along with that ?
My belief is that even if BASSA do hold a ballot and get a majority, the numbers of crew who will report for work will be more than enough to ensure a 100% operation is run andif there isn't that once again volunteers from otherparts of BA will fill the gaps. Which kind of makes strike action rather futile, reduces BASSA's ability to be seen as a credible union and makes the parent union Unite appear impotent. None of this is particularly good for trade unionism. I would suggest that the time has come for BASSA to step back from the brink if they wish to retain any dignity and ability to to represent the interests of those members who still pay their dues.
Now I would have thought that even the least business minded cabin crew person might have twigged that getting rid of temps and also looking for VS volunteers kinda suggested that all was not well with the company finances. But what do we get from BASSA ? Flat refusal initially to participate in any meaningful discussions because those nasty Amicus/CC89 people are in the same room. Is this the attitude of a responsible group of individuals ? Do you really and truthfully want these people to be fighting your corner when the chips are down ? To me the coe across as a bunch of amateurs on a massive ego trip who are playing very dangerous games with not just their jobs, not just the jobs of their fellow BASSA members but the livelihoods of everyone in BA. Now I really don't care whether someone wears a Backing BA lanyard, a BASSA lanyard or one which has hearts and bluebirds on, but woe betide the person or group of people who through there mindless actions threatens to bring down the company that I have worked for over 20 years for, that I have a substantial pensions investment in and that I am also a shareholder of. As soon as BASSA issued strike dates, I volunteered for crew duties. Why ? because I recognised that a strike, if successful, would cause irreperable damage to the financial future of this company. If BA goes under, I and thousands of other staff and ex staff (there's about 100,000 all told) face the prospect of zero pension. Now you might not be that worried about having only a state pension to live on , but I don't take such a sanguine approach, partly because although I am no spring chicken, I have a young family to support. And don't trot out the line that the government will pick up the tab. The current economic climate suggests that they have rather more pressing needs for the cash they have than bailing out pension funds of collapsed companies. Oh and the pension protection pot won't cover the hole either.
I think you will find that there are an awful lot of other staff in BA who have similar views. Oddly enough it was the finance areas (which now includes IT) that put up the greatest number of volunteers. Now you have to ask yourself, if the bean counters reckon they need to step into the breach, then the numbers coming from BA management may not be entirely wrong. A further point of clarification. If you cared to look at the BA intranet pages on the subject of volunteering for crew or crew support roles, you would find exactly what is offered in terms of pay/overtime/TOIL . I'll make it easy for you. Anyone who works an early or a late gets a shift premium of about £10. Day shifts don't get this. If staff work a shift in addition to their normal working day, then they can claim the extra hours as TOIL subject to prior management approval. So we aren't doing it for the money.
By all means have your next ballot. If you manage to garner sufficient support then maybe you will want to go on strike again. But before you do, consider this. There are some 30,000 other people in BA who wish tosee the company not only survive but be successful. When you strike, you are not just hitting BA management, you are hitting these 30,000 people as well. Are the principles that you believe you are fighting for worth not just your own job, but those of 30,000 others who have never done anything to harm you ? Are they worth the pensions that go along with that ?
My belief is that even if BASSA do hold a ballot and get a majority, the numbers of crew who will report for work will be more than enough to ensure a 100% operation is run andif there isn't that once again volunteers from otherparts of BA will fill the gaps. Which kind of makes strike action rather futile, reduces BASSA's ability to be seen as a credible union and makes the parent union Unite appear impotent. None of this is particularly good for trade unionism. I would suggest that the time has come for BASSA to step back from the brink if they wish to retain any dignity and ability to to represent the interests of those members who still pay their dues.
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As ex crew from the regions I see no basis for bassa being blamed for 'selling out the regions.' Twaddle.
HAHA...etc has provided a post which somewhat breaks the myth perpetuated by a few on here that LGW are 100% behind BA.
And on the issue of temps and new fleet, the temps who returned in Feb/Mar were informed by BA that when New Fleet commences, and if they wish to be part of the fleet, then they will be required to re-appy for a position and if successful undergo a full training program. There will be no automatic transfer. They have a fixed contract. Source - Mrs PC767 an ex BA temp.
HAHA...etc has provided a post which somewhat breaks the myth perpetuated by a few on here that LGW are 100% behind BA.
And on the issue of temps and new fleet, the temps who returned in Feb/Mar were informed by BA that when New Fleet commences, and if they wish to be part of the fleet, then they will be required to re-appy for a position and if successful undergo a full training program. There will be no automatic transfer. They have a fixed contract. Source - Mrs PC767 an ex BA temp.
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Hmmm.... there can be no doubt that at least three LGW crew went on strike - after all, the union reps could hardly have exhorted staff to walk out if they didn't show some spine. The plain fact is that LGW was able to run a 100% operation. So it makes no odds if there were 3, 30 or 300 staff who opted to strike, they had no impact on the operation and lost a sackful of pay for no gain. In fact they are potentially worse off as they have had ST removed. The BASSA proposals show no real benefit for LGW staff. LGW have been working to the manning levels proposed for LHR for some time. BASSA wanted to cut LGW staff wages to pay for keeping higher manning levels at LHR - sorry I should have said they wanted to borrow money frome LGW staff to pay for keeping :LHR manning levels unchanges. LGW staff would get the cash back at the end of two or was it three years. Not sure what happens if you leave the company before then. And some here wonder why LGW staff were less than enthusiastic about walking out.
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Personally, I've never been that concerned about whether I was in the minority or the majority. I'm not the type of person who relies on others in order to establish my personal beliefs. Correct, I've lost staff travel, but I still have my pride. FACT. BA without agreement from my representatives took my transfer right from me. FACT. I withdrew my labour and played my part in being responsible for over 150 million pounds of costs. RESULT. Neither BA nor I won. I think this is typical in any trade dispute which results in industrial action.
The BASSA/Unite proposals actually would have resulted in the return of my transfer right and the return of the PSR to the 3 class A/C. So, I'm afraid you're wrong it did show benefit to LGW crew. Let's be honest, LGW have been working to these crewing figures for the past 4 years. BA's IMPOSISTION effected GATWICK more the LHR. The BASSA proposal saw this imposition at LGW reversed and limited crew returned to LHR a/c. It was Walsh's proposal which would have seen limited transfers and no PSR returned to the 3 class A/C.
Hmmm.... there can be no doubt that at least three LGW crew went on strike - after all, the union reps could hardly have exhorted staff to walk out if they didn't show some spine. The plain fact is that LGW was able to run a 100% operation. So it makes no odds if there were 3, 30 or 300 staff who opted to strike, they had no impact on the operation and lost a sackful of pay for no gain. In fact they are potentially worse off as they have had ST removed. The BASSA proposals show no real benefit for LGW staff. LGW have been working to the manning levels proposed for LHR for some time. BASSA wanted to cut LGW staff wages to pay for keeping higher manning levels at LHR - sorry I should have said they wanted to borrow money frome LGW staff to pay for keeping :LHR manning levels unchanges. LGW staff would get the cash back at the end of two or was it three years. Not sure what happens if you leave the company before then. And some here wonder why LGW staff were less than enthusiastic about walking out.
Personally, I've never been that concerned about whether I was in the minority or the majority. I'm not the type of person who relies on others in order to establish my personal beliefs. Correct, I've lost staff travel, but I still have my pride. FACT. BA without agreement from my representatives took my transfer right from me. FACT. I withdrew my labour and played my part in being responsible for over 150 million pounds of costs. RESULT. Neither BA nor I won. I think this is typical in any trade dispute which results in industrial action.
The BASSA/Unite proposals actually would have resulted in the return of my transfer right and the return of the PSR to the 3 class A/C. So, I'm afraid you're wrong it did show benefit to LGW crew. Let's be honest, LGW have been working to these crewing figures for the past 4 years. BA's IMPOSISTION effected GATWICK more the LHR. The BASSA proposal saw this imposition at LGW reversed and limited crew returned to LHR a/c. It was Walsh's proposal which would have seen limited transfers and no PSR returned to the 3 class A/C.
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Originally Posted by Hahahahha
A lot of my friends at LGW didn't even bother to do that. Shame.
It's testament to the faith people have in Bassa that they're prepared to follow the union's calls to strike without knowing what they're actually striking for (the continued cries of "bullying" and "imposition" are proof of that) but it's also dangerous.
I think that if most people knew exactly what we'd been offered, we may well have found ourselves in a very different situation than we do now.
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to MissM for still being here in the face of increasing resistance
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I'm confused. If LGW had been working to reduced manning levels for 4 years as claimed, why did it take applying the same reduction at LHR to get BASSA off their backsides to seek to restore this across all bases (LHR and LGW) Incidentally I can't quite square this assertion with the proposed numbers of staff that BASSA wanted reinstated.According to my maths, BASSA only wanted replacements for those who took VS. Moreover, BA management only offered 184 heads - less than the numbers who took VS, so I don't see how LGW would get additional staff -ever get the feeling you've been sold down the river ?
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MissM and others:
I posted way back when a series of comments from "ordinary" BA passengers that I've collected over the past five years. No agenda, just repeating what they think of their inflight experiences.
The mods seem to have removed them.
However, the vast majority of the (often very adverse) comments concerned the way the CC treat their customers.
I would lay quite a lot of money betting that a substantial percentage of the militant strikers feature quite strongly in these comments: I think it seems to go with the territory, to quote a phrase.
If BA continues to exist after this, and if these militants have disappeared as a group, it might well be a new start with regard to customer relations.
I posted way back when a series of comments from "ordinary" BA passengers that I've collected over the past five years. No agenda, just repeating what they think of their inflight experiences.
The mods seem to have removed them.
However, the vast majority of the (often very adverse) comments concerned the way the CC treat their customers.
I would lay quite a lot of money betting that a substantial percentage of the militant strikers feature quite strongly in these comments: I think it seems to go with the territory, to quote a phrase.
If BA continues to exist after this, and if these militants have disappeared as a group, it might well be a new start with regard to customer relations.
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In fact, I feel that LGW BASSA reps ARE the salt of the earth. They have stood by their base.
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Memo to BASSA leadership
I hope that Duncan is well, and getting to use his newly-learned writing and communications skills when he signs on at his local JobCentre.
Please send someone to relieve MissM on this web site. She has worked valiantly and without any assistance or back-up over the last few days to defend her union's interests, but she is now out of hours and needs at least a two-day layover to recuperate.
It's time to wheel out another "defender of the faith" to retail BASSA's take on things. How about A Lurker? He has been extraordinarily silent for several months now.
Please send someone to relieve MissM on this web site. She has worked valiantly and without any assistance or back-up over the last few days to defend her union's interests, but she is now out of hours and needs at least a two-day layover to recuperate.
It's time to wheel out another "defender of the faith" to retail BASSA's take on things. How about A Lurker? He has been extraordinarily silent for several months now.
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Miss M,
BA have been trying to discuss the routes that will go over first. However they had to give up because BASSA just would not discuss anything with them because they were too busy throwing their toys out of the pram over imposition ( which also happened because BASSA just wont talk and always says NO NO NO)
The list of routes was sent to us all in an ESS but you probably don't read yours. They are all routes that noone is going to get too upset about and they have agreed to talk with the union about any future route choices.
BA have been trying to discuss the routes that will go over first. However they had to give up because BASSA just would not discuss anything with them because they were too busy throwing their toys out of the pram over imposition ( which also happened because BASSA just wont talk and always says NO NO NO)
The list of routes was sent to us all in an ESS but you probably don't read yours. They are all routes that noone is going to get too upset about and they have agreed to talk with the union about any future route choices.