British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Correct Paddy. So the corruption needs to be rooted out from within the CC community by voting for the best reps posibble to take on the 'mafia'. Sadly, BASSA's grip is so tight on (un)reality that it wont happen - until WW has finished that is. IMHO.
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Paragraph 39:
Let me test this finding: had BA sought to do the same thing in earlier years when there was no serious financial imperative and Miss Cumming's interests were the subject of effective representation, then my first limb consideration would have been against BA. I add: I was told the former factions were now as one so that negotiations have restarted and are proceeding.
Paragraph 39:
Let me test this finding: had BA sought to do the same thing in earlier years when there was no serious financial imperative and Miss Cumming's interests were the subject of effective representation, then my first limb consideration would have been against BA. I add: I was told the former factions were now as one so that negotiations have restarted and are proceeding.
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That's not referring to the overall judgement, just the specific element of the "first limb" as to the reasonableness of imposition, not the question of whether it is fair in law.
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But if, as alleged, it is the top table at BASSA, you would have thought it would be a tool that would be used. As they have not done so, then is there indeed any truth in it?
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.....by voting for the best reps possible to take on the 'mafia'.
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Totally agree with Paddy and nurgio
BA could not be said to be wholly concerned as to who does what in rostered trips as long as the job gets done. Similarly, they are probably flexible as to how the new WW crewing level is to be ultimately worked.
Talking about Longhaul (744 and 777), when the dust settles and BASSA has to agree the new crewing level, we can probably assume that the CSD role will revert to something akin to it's former self and the shortfall of one crew member will be taken up by the rest of the crew.
.......is that because the BASSA Reps are predominately CSD's?
BA could not be said to be wholly concerned as to who does what in rostered trips as long as the job gets done. Similarly, they are probably flexible as to how the new WW crewing level is to be ultimately worked.
Talking about Longhaul (744 and 777), when the dust settles and BASSA has to agree the new crewing level, we can probably assume that the CSD role will revert to something akin to it's former self and the shortfall of one crew member will be taken up by the rest of the crew.
.......is that because the BASSA Reps are predominately CSD's?
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Talking about Longhaul (744 and 777), when the dust settles and BASSA has to agree the new crewing level, we can probably assume that the CSD role will revert to something akin to it's former self and the shortfall of onecrew member will be taken up by the rest of the crew.
.......is that because the BASSA Reps are predominately CSD's?
.......is that because the BASSA Reps are predominately CSD's?
1. CSD goes back to a non-trolley position
2. WT and WTP lose 1 crew member which goes to CW.
3. WT Purser will be doing a trolley.
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..that brave man is Mr Willie Walsh Esq.
Most likely scenario: Post 1700 hrs this pm:
Ugliness, on a new scale, wth only one possible outcome. The City know it, the shareholders know it and the public are about to finally realise it.
Edited to add: My frustration in all of this is the ignorance of the many with regard the self-serving representation of BASSA.
I leave you with this;
Never in the field of 'Unionised Industrial Relations' have so many been shafted by so few, for so little negotiation. (Well they do like their analogies don't they?)
..that brave man is Mr Willie Walsh Esq.
Most likely scenario: Post 1700 hrs this pm:
Ugliness, on a new scale, wth only one possible outcome. The City know it, the shareholders know it and the public are about to finally realise it.
Edited to add: My frustration in all of this is the ignorance of the many with regard the self-serving representation of BASSA.
I leave you with this;
Never in the field of 'Unionised Industrial Relations' have so many been shafted by so few, for so little negotiation. (Well they do like their analogies don't they?)
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From an outsiders point of view, a lack of transparency and management control on who is paid what would not be tolerated in any company I have ever worked for as it would fall clearly under unethical practices. Management virtually delegating BASSA reps to have control over people's income,opens the dorr to them favouring their mates and BASSA members. That's pretty corrupt in my view and should NOT be accepted practice in a modern company.
Truly amazing how far these people were allowed to go.
What the Hell do you realistically expect to achieve by striking? You have given management final permission to destroy what a lot of you still have?!?!??!
Truly amazing how far these people were allowed to go.
What the Hell do you realistically expect to achieve by striking? You have given management final permission to destroy what a lot of you still have?!?!??!
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BBC reaction
BBC NEWS | Business | BA strike 'gets strong backing'
"We don't want to strike," said spokesperson Ken Ablard. "All we want is for BA to negotiate and not impose".
"We don't want to strike," said spokesperson Ken Ablard. "All we want is for BA to negotiate and not impose".
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Almost 81% voting in favour of a strike - it sounds a lot!
They sent out around 12.000 ballot papers - return was 80% - that's 9.600.
Out of 12.000 votes 7.482 has voted in favour - which is around 60%.
They received around 1.000 more NO votes this time which is very good + the rest who couldn't be bothered to vote. That's around 4.200 crew in total who won't be going on a striking.
They sent out around 12.000 ballot papers - return was 80% - that's 9.600.
Out of 12.000 votes 7.482 has voted in favour - which is around 60%.
They received around 1.000 more NO votes this time which is very good + the rest who couldn't be bothered to vote. That's around 4.200 crew in total who won't be going on a striking.
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Ballot Papers returned 9282
Invalid 11
Valid Returns 9271
Yes votes 7482 (80.7%)
No votes 1789 (19.3%)
Invalid 11
Valid Returns 9271
Yes votes 7482 (80.7%)
No votes 1789 (19.3%)
Edit: Just to correct my erronius figures, they claim a membership of 10513, so the percentage figure I gave is too low, (in case someone took a screen grab.
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It would appear there has been less than 65% support for a strike amongst the crew community. So, with 35% No votes, abstentions and spoilt ballots, plus all the crew who have voted yes but have no intention of striking, how long do we think this strike will last? I bet BA are laughing their socks off right now!
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One has got to add to Dawdler's estimate of crew available to work, the X Factor.
X is the number of crew that voted "YES" but will come to work if a strike is called.
I still think that X = c5000 ie a high proportion of the Yes vote and I sense that Ken Ablard knows this when he insists that "BASSA do not want to strike".
X is the number of crew that voted "YES" but will come to work if a strike is called.
I still think that X = c5000 ie a high proportion of the Yes vote and I sense that Ken Ablard knows this when he insists that "BASSA do not want to strike".