British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Your accusation is false because as stated previously, the domain name ownership can be found on a publicly available source. So it's a bit like us saying that Willie Walsh is the CEO of BA. It is not bringing anyone into disrepute, it is merely a fact that is publicly accessible.
To compare it with the naming and intimidation of individuals in text messages is highly inappropriate. But then we are getting somewhat used to inappropriate analogies in all of this.
Litebulbs - further up the thread you are saying that Unite have no control over what an individual does, yet now you are claiming that the PCCC are responsible for what an individual has allegedly done on this thread. Double standards no?
Perhaps if this ridiculous scenario of porn/poo/hot air websites had never occurred in the first place, we could be discussing the real problem here which is why Industrial Relations have reached the low point that they have.
The PCCC are offering a very viable alternative to Unite. It's good to see that current cabin crew members are responding positively to that, even if ex-crew or other Unite reps don't.
I am BA cabin crew and the above represents my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
Your accusation is false because as stated previously, the domain name ownership can be found on a publicly available source. So it's a bit like us saying that Willie Walsh is the CEO of BA. It is not bringing anyone into disrepute, it is merely a fact that is publicly accessible.
To compare it with the naming and intimidation of individuals in text messages is highly inappropriate. But then we are getting somewhat used to inappropriate analogies in all of this.
Litebulbs - further up the thread you are saying that Unite have no control over what an individual does, yet now you are claiming that the PCCC are responsible for what an individual has allegedly done on this thread. Double standards no?
Perhaps if this ridiculous scenario of porn/poo/hot air websites had never occurred in the first place, we could be discussing the real problem here which is why Industrial Relations have reached the low point that they have.
The PCCC are offering a very viable alternative to Unite. It's good to see that current cabin crew members are responding positively to that, even if ex-crew or other Unite reps don't.
I am BA cabin crew and the above represents my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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My accusation is that the PCCC - by way of one of your founder members highlighted on this forum the name of the person alleged to have registered a domain name.
MY question is simply this - Do you feel that your organisation should be naming and accusing people in public without any proof?
As in my opinion you would have been far better to rise above it without resorting to naming the individual concerned. Something which you have subsequently lied that you did.
MY question is simply this - Do you feel that your organisation should be naming and accusing people in public without any proof?
As in my opinion you would have been far better to rise above it without resorting to naming the individual concerned. Something which you have subsequently lied that you did.
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exbacrew - M.E.'s name is first mentioned by a poster called "freewilly" at 17:07 on the 3rd.
Quite frankly given his actions and those of some of the suspended crew, (I'm am sure some will be found to be mixed up in something unwittingly), with regards to linking fellow crew to pornographic websites as well as attempts to "name and shame" the volunteer crew I am astounded you feel they are deserving of any sympathy.
These are the very incidents that put the aims of BASSA in the shadow of their actions. I have said from day 1 that BA implemented changes in a tactless way without having sufficiently addressed crew's concerns, however I feel that BA's move was inevitable given the deplorable actions of a few at the top of BASSA.
This latest revelation should be a blessing to the Chairman - pointing out a rogue element in her Union that does her cause no favours should have made her choices easy. Alas no, the real victims in all of this, the crew, remain vulnerable to the whims of a maddeningly misguided few.
Quite frankly given his actions and those of some of the suspended crew, (I'm am sure some will be found to be mixed up in something unwittingly), with regards to linking fellow crew to pornographic websites as well as attempts to "name and shame" the volunteer crew I am astounded you feel they are deserving of any sympathy.
These are the very incidents that put the aims of BASSA in the shadow of their actions. I have said from day 1 that BA implemented changes in a tactless way without having sufficiently addressed crew's concerns, however I feel that BA's move was inevitable given the deplorable actions of a few at the top of BASSA.
This latest revelation should be a blessing to the Chairman - pointing out a rogue element in her Union that does her cause no favours should have made her choices easy. Alas no, the real victims in all of this, the crew, remain vulnerable to the whims of a maddeningly misguided few.
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As for denial - again why would they even make a comment? The PCCC is not recognised by anybody is it? As far as I am aware it is three women who work for BA who have formed 'something' - which has no recognition with anybody. Please correct me if Im wrong here.
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I guess what I am trying to understand or get to is this - the PCCC had the opportunity to rise above all the crap which I understand is going on - why did they have to get involved in posting a copy of the domain registration - surely that makes them no better than the other idiots with lists of people does it?
By the way i think it is appalling if people are bandying ANY names around - from either side of the fence
By the way i think it is appalling if people are bandying ANY names around - from either side of the fence
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What actions have the suspended crew done?
HiFlyer,
Can you explain where I have said what you suggest?
Tiramisu,
Have you confirmed the allegations that the said Unite rep has any link to the site?
HiFlyer,
Can you explain where I have said what you suggest?
Tiramisu,
Have you confirmed the allegations that the said Unite rep has any link to the site?
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HiFlyer14
Please correct me then - thats what I gathered through reading on here - I thought 3 of you formed it - and as far as I understand your are not recognised by any body/company/TUC etc Can you put me right then?
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What has this got to do with BA? I don't understand - this has nothing to do with BA - unless of course you are implying they are something to do with the PCCC ????
I totally agree with you - it is much much worse posting it on here as there are many individuals who work for BA and who would relish the thought of 'shopping' a BASSA rep
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Ex-BAcrew,
Welcome to Pprune. You have arrived rather abruptly and your sole aim appears to be to attack the Professional Cabin Crew Council.
Would you like to state who you are and what your connection is to the BA Industrial Relations situation before we continue the discussion please?
Thank you
Welcome to Pprune. You have arrived rather abruptly and your sole aim appears to be to attack the Professional Cabin Crew Council.
Would you like to state who you are and what your connection is to the BA Industrial Relations situation before we continue the discussion please?
Thank you
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EXBAcrew: The fake pccc site was established and came to public notice as it was published on the web for all to see.
The registrant of the website had chosen not to remain anonymous. That is like an author writing under his real name.
So the real name was in the public domain.
It happened to be the same name as a BASSA rep whose name was already in the public domain as he is (was?) an official of the union.
So if this information was repeated on here, it was rather like stating that Willy Walsh is CEO, as someone said earlier. It is irrelevant who further published the info as the website author had done that himself.
The person concerned 'outed' himself. (bandied himself around - to use your term)
I wouldn't be surprised if BA's legal dept were on to it before the news hit this forum.
The registrant of the website had chosen not to remain anonymous. That is like an author writing under his real name.
So the real name was in the public domain.
It happened to be the same name as a BASSA rep whose name was already in the public domain as he is (was?) an official of the union.
So if this information was repeated on here, it was rather like stating that Willy Walsh is CEO, as someone said earlier. It is irrelevant who further published the info as the website author had done that himself.
The person concerned 'outed' himself. (bandied himself around - to use your term)
I wouldn't be surprised if BA's legal dept were on to it before the news hit this forum.
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Litebulbs - They are accused of making PA's on the aircraft that may bring BA into disrepute and for circulating a list of names of volunteers. Having seen a friends name appear on one of the texts drawn from this list it has to be said that it would be difficult to deny that some crew are indeed, not only acting badly (and as it involves a friend I am restraining myself with that word), but also illegally. I highlighted that it was only "some" as these are suspensions and, as yet, not dismissals and so perhaps not all of them are due a hard time.
exbacrew - I guess I see what you mean but I am not sure that discussing the man who set up a smear website against the PCCC is the same as circulating the name of a volunteer crew member. Retrospectively it seems that the post you refer to has been changed anyway perhaps due to the perceptions you have raised.
I'm ex crew to by the way so I do REALLY have every sympathy for BA cabin crew (many are friends), but as I have pointed out before, I know what BASSA are like when you disagree with their point of view, and so to see a rep do something so vile as to create this website is unsurprising and, I feel, should be discussed openly to enable people to see what this group are really like.
exbacrew - I guess I see what you mean but I am not sure that discussing the man who set up a smear website against the PCCC is the same as circulating the name of a volunteer crew member. Retrospectively it seems that the post you refer to has been changed anyway perhaps due to the perceptions you have raised.
I'm ex crew to by the way so I do REALLY have every sympathy for BA cabin crew (many are friends), but as I have pointed out before, I know what BASSA are like when you disagree with their point of view, and so to see a rep do something so vile as to create this website is unsurprising and, I feel, should be discussed openly to enable people to see what this group are really like.
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HiFlyer14
Would you like to state who you are and what your connection is to the BA Industrial Relations situation before we continue the discussion please?
2 I am retired staff - left in 1998 under enhanced severance
3 I have a pension to be concerned about
4 I have relatives working for BA on the ground
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Why would BA be interested?
The website author (whoever he/she really was) had used metatags including BA, BALPA and BASSA and other keywords, then re-directed the site to a pornography site.
This could be construed as bringing BA into disrepute, if the author was an employee, no?
How do I know this? It was pointed out to me by a friend and I had a look at the HTML code for myself (try it, View Source on your browser)
The page in question now looks like this:
and the offending words and porn link have gone.
I do have a copy of the original page code though.
The website author (whoever he/she really was) had used metatags including BA, BALPA and BASSA and other keywords, then re-directed the site to a pornography site.
This could be construed as bringing BA into disrepute, if the author was an employee, no?
How do I know this? It was pointed out to me by a friend and I had a look at the HTML code for myself (try it, View Source on your browser)
The page in question now looks like this:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">
<html lang="en">
<head><title>A PROFESSIONAL UNION.....DONT THINK SO!!!!!</title>
<meta name="Keywords" content=","><meta name="Author" content="crew council"></head>
<frameset rows="100%">
<frame title="http://www.pfpaug.org/core/images/hot_air.jpg" src="http://www.pfpaug.org/core/images/hot_air.jpg" name="mainframe" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize" scrolling="auto">
<noframes>Sorry, you don"t appear to have frame support.
Go here instead - <a href="http://www.pfpaug.org/core/images/hot_air.jpg">A PROFESSIONAL UNION.....DONT THINK SO!!!!!</a></noframes>
</frameset>
<html lang="en">
<head><title>A PROFESSIONAL UNION.....DONT THINK SO!!!!!</title>
<meta name="Keywords" content=","><meta name="Author" content="crew council"></head>
<frameset rows="100%">
<frame title="http://www.pfpaug.org/core/images/hot_air.jpg" src="http://www.pfpaug.org/core/images/hot_air.jpg" name="mainframe" frameborder="0" noresize="noresize" scrolling="auto">
<noframes>Sorry, you don"t appear to have frame support.
Go here instead - <a href="http://www.pfpaug.org/core/images/hot_air.jpg">A PROFESSIONAL UNION.....DONT THINK SO!!!!!</a></noframes>
</frameset>
I do have a copy of the original page code though.
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Matt I dont agree with everything that the BASSA Union is alleged to have done - however you cant go around naming people on forums - it's just not on in my opinion - especially without any proof!
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HiFlyer
Can you explain your comments about me please?
Matt101, the suspended people have had ALLEGATIONS made against them, this does not mean that they have actually done anything.
Matt101, the suspended people have had ALLEGATIONS made against them, this does not mean that they have actually done anything.