British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Highflyer,
Good to see you're on board (pardon the pun)! I've got some people on the case in regards to info and help. Will do updates via pm as don't want to clog up this thread.
Must go to the pub now...
Gg
Good to see you're on board (pardon the pun)! I've got some people on the case in regards to info and help. Will do updates via pm as don't want to clog up this thread.
Must go to the pub now...
Gg
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I'm feeling a lot more positive than before!
I came home from a trip today and 5 out of 15 of the crew, not myself included, were against BASSA and will vote against any strike action as well report for duty as scheduled. We had a really nice talk downroute and two of them openly admitted they would prefer BASSA to go under as they are fed up with their methods, selfishness, dishonesty and lack of negotiating skills. Worth to mention is that these 5 crew were a good mixture of both senior and junior crew members.
3 of the crew were really pro BASSA and began with their propaganda speech already in the briefing room. The remaining 7 crew didn't really say anything but 2 of them being temporary crew I think it was a positive ratio!
I came home from a trip today and 5 out of 15 of the crew, not myself included, were against BASSA and will vote against any strike action as well report for duty as scheduled. We had a really nice talk downroute and two of them openly admitted they would prefer BASSA to go under as they are fed up with their methods, selfishness, dishonesty and lack of negotiating skills. Worth to mention is that these 5 crew were a good mixture of both senior and junior crew members.
3 of the crew were really pro BASSA and began with their propaganda speech already in the briefing room. The remaining 7 crew didn't really say anything but 2 of them being temporary crew I think it was a positive ratio!
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Highflyer14 wrote:
Bealine. You'd better believe it. There are SO many that won't join you on the picket lines. Good luck with risking your job. I can't afford to lose mine, which is why I won't be going out on strike with you. You really want to hope that there's enough of you. If not, I fear you'll find yourself without your £11,000 and looking for other employment.
I always supported a negotiated solution based on the preferences of the majority of CC (not the old-contract, CSD, LH LHR elite) and with the acceptance of the need for some change. The time for that has long passed and we'll be running with whatever Willie deals us in our new contracts. I'm guessing yours will be binned immediately. I'll have to sign mine.
Bealine I have news for you. If you think for one minute you and your self-centred counterparts at BASSA can bring this company down, you are sorely mistaken. We won't let you. You see there is one thing that UNITE have severely underestimated: the strength of feeling out there that DO NOT SUPPORT UNITE AND THE RIDICULOUS STAND IT HAS TAKEN.
I always supported a negotiated solution based on the preferences of the majority of CC (not the old-contract, CSD, LH LHR elite) and with the acceptance of the need for some change. The time for that has long passed and we'll be running with whatever Willie deals us in our new contracts. I'm guessing yours will be binned immediately. I'll have to sign mine.
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I trust that bassa have advised their members of how the law works in the unlikely event of a strike wrt termination of contract.
As soon as you are on an official strike your employer can dismiss you for breach of contract.You will receive a letter to this effect.
However you can be re instated within I believe a 3 month period as long as it is the whole group and not on an individual basis.
So that means that if some decide not to strike and the airline operates what flights they can with CC like my girlfriend who does not belong to any union and others for what ever reason , the company does its numbers and re employs some of the temps it has in the pool as necessary .All those on strike (mainly older and more expensive ) are not reinstated.The target for compulsory redundencies could be achieved at the same time very cheaply.Walsh will have pulled off a blinding double whammy and deserves a medal.
With 22 planes laid off for the winter and european law giving a dispensation to cancel flights as and when due to the drop off in passenger numbers a strike is like turkeys voting for christmas.
But hey listening to some of the rants on this topic reminds me of my ex wives.
As soon as you are on an official strike your employer can dismiss you for breach of contract.You will receive a letter to this effect.
However you can be re instated within I believe a 3 month period as long as it is the whole group and not on an individual basis.
So that means that if some decide not to strike and the airline operates what flights they can with CC like my girlfriend who does not belong to any union and others for what ever reason , the company does its numbers and re employs some of the temps it has in the pool as necessary .All those on strike (mainly older and more expensive ) are not reinstated.The target for compulsory redundencies could be achieved at the same time very cheaply.Walsh will have pulled off a blinding double whammy and deserves a medal.
With 22 planes laid off for the winter and european law giving a dispensation to cancel flights as and when due to the drop off in passenger numbers a strike is like turkeys voting for christmas.
But hey listening to some of the rants on this topic reminds me of my ex wives.
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And in order to reintroduce some pride, and to focus peoples minds, I suggest we name the new union "Crew For BA".
Wonderfully misguided article (along with some comments) in the Telegraph today: BA's rank and file are seething, Mr Walsh, so handle with care - Telegraph
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All those on strike (mainly older and more expensive ) are not reinstated.
A lot of people think that in an official legal dispute the strikers have a lot of legal protection, it is the UNION that has most protection i.e. its assets cannot be seized.
Provided an employer treats all the strikers in the same way then I believe you are quite correct, they can simply dismiss them.
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I find it very sad that British Airways managers, based in their "special little office" in Waterside, can waste so much of their time posting mis infomation on this topic.
I would be far happier if BA & WW directed these back room staff to doing a job that would get this once great airline back on track.
I would be far happier if BA & WW directed these back room staff to doing a job that would get this once great airline back on track.
chipmunkj,
How wrong can you be, lol! But you are accurately describing the actions of the BASSA die-hards. Are you well prepared for the shock thats coming?
I find it very sad that British Airways managers, based in their "special little office" in Waterside, can waste so much of their time posting mis infomation on this topic.
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Well I'm not a BA manager, my "special little office" is hundreds of miles from Waterside, but here's a bit of light reading 
that might throw some light on the "mis information" that you claim others have been posting
Employee Strike Dissertation | Free Law Dissertations
that might throw some light on the "mis information" that you claim others have been postingEmployee Strike Dissertation | Free Law Dissertations
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Thanks for the link TorC - it makes interesting reading.
I would just like to say that whoever is copying and pasting posts from this forum onto Newspaper comments forums, please don't. This is the second time I have found a post that I made on this thread repasted onto a comments forum at the end of an article. I have never posted onto a comments forum of a paper; it is against our T&Cs to talk to the press so I never would. Those crew (flight and cabin) that do, would be well advised not to either.
Comments forums are just that - for you to make a comment. If you haven't got one of your own, then don't make it. 
We are not allowed to talk to the press, if it ever got back to BA, I could be held responsible and lose my job.
Anyway - like Nuigini feeling much more positive. Things are most definitely on the turn.
I would just like to say that whoever is copying and pasting posts from this forum onto Newspaper comments forums, please don't. This is the second time I have found a post that I made on this thread repasted onto a comments forum at the end of an article. I have never posted onto a comments forum of a paper; it is against our T&Cs to talk to the press so I never would. Those crew (flight and cabin) that do, would be well advised not to either.
Comments forums are just that - for you to make a comment.
If you haven't got one of your own, then don't make it. We are not allowed to talk to the press, if it ever got back to BA, I could be held responsible and lose my job. Anyway - like Nuigini feeling much more positive. Things are most definitely on the turn.
chipmunkj
How deep is your head in the sand!! The very people that your comments are directed at, are exactly the frontline staff who have the enthusiasm and sense to realise changes are necessary at BA to ensure it survives and emerges a stronger more competitive airline.
I find it very sad that British Airways managers, based in their "special little office" in Waterside, can waste so much of their time posting mis infomation on this topic.
I would be far happier if BA & WW directed these back room staff to doing a job that would get this once great airline back on track.
I would be far happier if BA & WW directed these back room staff to doing a job that would get this once great airline back on track.
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I don't know if this will magically turn into a clicky, but it's very interesting nevertheless...
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | South of Scotland | Staff 'termination' outcome looms
Have a read, and be afraid, very afraid....
Gg
With thanks to you know who you are...
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | South of Scotland | Staff 'termination' outcome looms
Have a read, and be afraid, very afraid....
Gg
With thanks to you know who you are...
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Glamgirl, you should be in bed at this time (as should I) 
This is the kind of thing a lot of pilots have been warning our crew friends about, but I don't think BASSA has been listening.
On my last trip (got back this am) the LHR crew were all very pleasant but subdued. The CSD was ex-LGW and very professional. Not a hint of BASSA-ness in his briefing, he said. The 's'-word wasn't mentioned.
This is the kind of thing a lot of pilots have been warning our crew friends about, but I don't think BASSA has been listening.
On my last trip (got back this am) the LHR crew were all very pleasant but subdued. The CSD was ex-LGW and very professional. Not a hint of BASSA-ness in his briefing, he said. The 's'-word wasn't mentioned.
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chipmunkj:
Come back and debate with us like an adult please. I'm afraid it's not enough to throw childish accusations and disappear again. Do yourself a favour and show why exactly these posters are incorrect. Legal precedents, employment law etc.
You would do far more for the BASSA stance if you could step up to the plate and add substance to it. As it is, you and PiB are simply turning the waiverers away because of your inability to stay calm and objective or to construct a valid argument.
There's a link to here from the BASSA website. Just how many of the silent majority of members do you think have taken a peek and been impressed with the eloquent and factual arguments that point out the flaws in BASSA's stance? Or how many are convinced by you and PiB name-calling?
FWIW if BASSA did get a legal strike, you CAN still be sacked. It MAY be deemed "unfair dismissal" months or years down the line but the amount of compensation you'd receive is not great and there'd be no guarantee of your job back.
I hope that's a risk you're prepared to take when you and your fellow hard-liners pop your heads above the parapet. People have mortgages to pay and mouths to feed. As has been mentioned before, the prospect of working harder for slightly less salary will be appealing to the majority of us. for tht reason, I think that on D-Day, you'll find support lacking. Especially when the other option is losing our jobs - on an individual basis (by striking and being sacked) or by bringing BA down.
Please come back.
Come back and debate with us like an adult please. I'm afraid it's not enough to throw childish accusations and disappear again. Do yourself a favour and show why exactly these posters are incorrect. Legal precedents, employment law etc.
You would do far more for the BASSA stance if you could step up to the plate and add substance to it. As it is, you and PiB are simply turning the waiverers away because of your inability to stay calm and objective or to construct a valid argument.
There's a link to here from the BASSA website. Just how many of the silent majority of members do you think have taken a peek and been impressed with the eloquent and factual arguments that point out the flaws in BASSA's stance? Or how many are convinced by you and PiB name-calling?
FWIW if BASSA did get a legal strike, you CAN still be sacked. It MAY be deemed "unfair dismissal" months or years down the line but the amount of compensation you'd receive is not great and there'd be no guarantee of your job back.
I hope that's a risk you're prepared to take when you and your fellow hard-liners pop your heads above the parapet. People have mortgages to pay and mouths to feed. As has been mentioned before, the prospect of working harder for slightly less salary will be appealing to the majority of us. for tht reason, I think that on D-Day, you'll find support lacking. Especially when the other option is losing our jobs - on an individual basis (by striking and being sacked) or by bringing BA down.
Please come back.
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Rather than posters continually bashing Bassa (...'Titanic Bassa'), please realise that this branch of UNITE has massive membership and of which the vast majority support its present stance.
Its all so easy to hide behind pseudonyms and spout for one and all to read on this forum - it is not the dinosaur its made out to be by many, in fact so far Bassa has come up with most of the ideas for change and savings.
Roll on next week so we can hear exactly (hopefully) the results of the PWC costings of their proposed savings.
Its all so easy to hide behind pseudonyms and spout for one and all to read on this forum - it is not the dinosaur its made out to be by many, in fact so far Bassa has come up with most of the ideas for change and savings.
Roll on next week so we can hear exactly (hopefully) the results of the PWC costings of their proposed savings.