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Old 28th Mar 2007, 19:59
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It's a Manager but I don't like to publsih names just in case. Was face to face rather than e-mail.
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Old 28th Mar 2007, 22:12
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I agree with matt , BA are one of the best airlines at LGW and i think BA take good care of us , thats just my oppinion anyway .
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 09:52
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Nice

It's nice to read some positive input... otherwise new guys coming into BA will feel quite unwelcome and that wouldn't be very nice now, would it?
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 12:32
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BA management have a careless atitude towards their cabin crew, good example is T&C'S a SFG. BA is the only airline that treat and pay diferently doing the same job. Be in Barbados is lovely but when you have to use all or even more than your daily allowances to buy your food ,you start seeing things in a diferent way,
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 14:09
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BA is the only airline that treat and pay diferently doing the same job
Just FYI - at least one other UK airline does the same
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 16:05
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Angel Facts At Sfg

BA management on those days have a careless attitude towards their cabin crew mainly in LGW, the only answer when requesting improvements in ours T&C'S at LGW is" take or leave'.
BA is the only airline in this country that for the same job :cabin crew, offer diferent pay and conditions. even Ryanair offer same pay conditions to all their employees on ryaniar contract.
BA want to offer a flag airline service but paying us charter T&C'S in one word we are subsidising BA operations at SFG.
Do you know that many of us we are claiming tax credits allowances? do you know that many crew have second jobs to cope with bills ....
I agree it is very nice to stay in Barbados, Bermuda etc. but let's be honest those places are extremelly expensive, and you will ending putting money from you pocket to be able to pay for your 3 meals.
Why all this happened only at LGW? because only 1/3 third of the community belong to any of the unions and the company is aware of it.
My advise to current and future BA employees at single fleet PLEASE JOIN A UNION, we have tWo choices, find whic one suitS you , the day that half of our community or more is unionised and management is aware of it SFG will be a better place to work.
Our colleagues at LHR got the best T&C'S in the industry , why? because BASSA is the largest union on that base, have you ever thought what will happen if BASSA was in LGW as stronger as in LHR? maybe is time to have a tought about it
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 17:59
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Bubble Burst

Matt101,

Sorry to burst your bubble but the agreement that we go into the Nsp is that we are frozen for transfers for two years.......This was confirmed to me by a union rep and to be honest I trust them more than Managers.

Our Seniority for the Nsp changed and it started from the 1st October 2006 that was another agreement.

Bassa did not want us in the Nsp because it would upset there members and that's why they made sure we didn't slot in with our seniority numbers.

I was told when I first joined that I was Lhr shorthaul got Lgw and was told I would be on 9500 with 500 allowances When I got Lgw was told I could transfer easy enough the reality...... 9000 with if I was lucky 300 allowances and in five years only 8 people have transfered.

If you do want to go to eurofleet I would leave when they open it up again and re join as this has always been quicker than waiting for transfers.

Sorry to be so blunt but this is the reality and people who have been at sfg for longer than 2 years will vouch this is the truth.
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 19:51
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Tighyslot, please can you let us know whic one, I couldnt find any during my research.

many thanks
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Old 31st Mar 2007, 09:54
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Hey I will wait to see if the Transfer list opens or not then, tp be honest I don't really rely on anything that anyone says until it happens - BA or Union - as both have misguided us over the past roller coaster few months.

To be honest my bubble wouldn't be burst as 2 years extra on top of the 8 (at least) I recon I'll have to wait makes very little diffrence - it's still a bloody long time - but there are a lot of people who joined having been told - 3 years and you'll be back - maybe wishful thinking but the thing is EOG crew may have been with BA longer but 1. never been in NSP (which may mean f all but who knows) and 2. - absolutely nobody knows what will happen with the transfers as this is a completely new fleet with new plans and supposedly will be the new recruits gateway to BA - I think anyone who puts their name down for WW is kidding themselves but I don't think EF is such a huge stretch.

But hey you may well be completely right and I totally don't mind bluntness - I am to !

As I say though love working LGW just we all want to earn more money so I would like to transfer eventually.

Russians don't get through the winter thinking it's goign to be long and hard they hope for it to be warm and short - I employ the same principle to get me thru when I pop to the job centre to apply for my working tax credits!

Hey ho I may go live in Dubai and sample a bit of Emirates instead.
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Old 31st Mar 2007, 10:06
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Something else I wanted to say to the posters who seem to hate ex LHR Temps - now I was one and I understand that the momaning from some of us is a pain - It annoys me to but think on this: how would SFG have flown the 777 without all those temps in October? - the legally required "expereinced" crew.

I mean obviously BA would have found a way but any other method would have been logistically complicated and more expensive - in actual fact the people who keep saying "you're lucky BA decided to give you a job at all after 6 months" are 1. being a little unkind to those of us that don't complain all flight and 2. Probably incorrect as I imagine BA always planned to use us to allow the fleet to operate.

Not atempting to be rude - unfortuantely text has no tone - but It really upsets me everytime I see this comment - after all we are all doign the same thing - trying to make a living.
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Old 31st Mar 2007, 10:50
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BMI sells some LHR slots to BA

On Flyertalk that BA have bought 50 odd weekly slots from BMI at LHR for a rumoured 30 million. Reckon its the end of longhaul at LGw. Hope not!!!!
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Old 31st Mar 2007, 12:50
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Lhr Temps

Matt,

No one hates the lhr temps it's the moaning we don't like. I have flown with a few that are moaning they have taken a pay cut they have been given a bad deal they were told a load of lies. And as you have just pointed out we owe you gratitude for working at sfg........

Humm me thinks not, the company would of done it with or without you so gratitude is not deserved, also everyone has put in alot of time and effort to get sfg under way not just ex lhr temps. I have flown with some lovely ex lhr temps one girl said they always knew they were coming to lgw and they also knew what the deal was.

Now this division is because you keep mentioning it and won't let it go... some ex lhr temps prefer to be part of a team and don't even mention it so i think you have a choice fit it or don't....... don't take comments on here to personally it could be one person flew with one ex lhr temp that was bad not all of them.

It's been since oct since we had ex lhr temps come over and the bad feeling has gone so just leave it that way......Maybe you should try emirates apparently they are a good airline...........
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 14:10
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Take a 9k drop in pay and try not to moan. I don't but I also don't think people are being unreasonable to highlight the diferences.

I think your post was not in the spirit of mine as I said I was trying not to be rude and if you think the comments onboard have stopped then you are wrong. I still get them when I haven't even mentioned LHR let alone mentioning that I was a LHR temp.

I didn't say you owe any gratitude - you presumed that. I said the company would have found it a lot more difficult without us in terms of having experienced crew onboard.

Not all people were told they were always coming to Gatwick we had one CCM to look after 300 of us plus his usual workload - the information was not free flowing.

Please try and stop being so defensive - and remember people have differing opinions to yours and are entitled to them.

Leave it at that shall we?
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 14:20
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One way

Matt,

How can you say everyone is entitled to their opinion and then say we will leave it at that?? Rest my case!!!!!!!!!
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 14:50
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Im joining BA in june and I use to fly for EeasyJet - now that was rough lol , great people but not really the ideal flying patterns as other airlines. I think its great that every one can give their oppinion and people can take it on board , all airlines have problems , it just takes time for others to work through their issues , as im not a BA insider yet (sorry for the cliche term) I cant really give an oppinion on BA at all but from the crew that i know who work for them I have been told its a great airline to work for.

Lets just keep positive and remember that we all work for the same airline no matter what fleet we are.

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Old 1st Apr 2007, 15:05
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Hi Ba-fly,

I like other people who come over from Easyjet as they have worked hard and they know how hard other airlines can work in comparison to us and I find they really love the nightstops as at some bases at Easyjet you don't get them.

You will love the base we have some really great people and some great nightstops.. I've had people who say they are sick of Anu and Iah and others and I want to bang there heads against the wall as what other jobs give's you the chance to visit these places.

Good luck with your training course...
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 15:18
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Well said BA-FLY - I worked for easyjet for a while and yes the crew's were great and when I was there we had nightstops and 3 day trips but it was still really hard work. 6 sector days, split duties two nights on the trot (eg Glasgow split back in the morning then off to Nice for a split duty that night).

When I got the BA job offer to start this June the lady who called me explained the salary and contract details and confirmed the pay so I am totally aware of what I will be earning. I have a choice - I can start in June knowing full well what I will earn or I can go to another airline or do something else. As ex BA crew I know full well that I won't be earning anywhere near what I used to earn but again I have the choice to take it or not.

I suppose what I am trying to say is when people join BA they know what the deal is and accepting it is a choice we all have.

If however I start whinging on about the lack of money in 6 months time feel free to kick my butt.
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 15:24
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Welcome

Ex Cabin Crew,

I can honestly say that yes ok you won't be earning the money you were before it has got alot better in the three years I have been here.

We as crew are our own worst enemies for moaning and to put it into perspective we have 19yr olds at Lgw earning 1400 or around that and how many 19yr olds can say that!!!!!!

Good luck and look forward to flying with you.
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 16:16
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BA-FLY

Hi All

Hate to rain on BA-FLYs parade but I am afraid there will be little or no Long Haul expansion at LGW for the forseeable. POS has started and that is just a shuttle from BGI.

I think when you actually start at BA you will be in a better position to comment. I am not meaning to be harsh but you will end up misleading people if you say things on here that just aren't true.

Rightly or wrongly the future of BA expansion is at LHR.

In march the IAH, DFW and BDA are likely to "go up the road" to LHR leaving just "leisure" routes at LGW. If BA does decide to expand long haul it will be more shuttles from ANU and BGI rather than direct services and so you will not get to see the places.

Anyway, enjoy the training course. BA is a great airline to work for (especially at LHR where there will be transfer rights for you in the future). I wish you well.
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Old 1st Apr 2007, 16:50
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Oh Dear,

Why your negativity gather your at the golden runaway???

there is loads of rumour's at the moment and to be honest we just don't know.... yes we will lose Iah, Dfw, Atl so be it you can have them.

Why would Ba put all the time and effort into creating sfg if it wasn't going to develop it??? All that crew it has employed and continues to employ.

Ba have known about the open skies for many years and has always had a back up plan.

Ok we lose Iah, Dfw and Atl, what are Ba going to do with the slots more shorthaul that doesn't make money???? Longhaul at lgw has been making money and if we get more leisure routes well roll on the beach!!!!!

No one is mis leading anyone by saying lgw is good base to work for.

Now I am in Ba @ Lgw and I prob know alot more than you by the sounds of it, I stand corrected if you can show me the facts on paper until then let us have our views and opinions and in the meantime stick to city breaks!!!!!!!
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