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Old 15th Mar 2007, 06:49
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Once the Internal list is clear they will open up
LHR .

And I don't think they will get many crew wanting LHREF from LHRWW !!

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Old 15th Mar 2007, 13:31
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Hi - has anyone recently attended a selection day for LGW cabin crew? Just wondering if anyone has been offered a position yet.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 17:51
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location...just to let you know that they could take crew from Gatwick Fleet since now in NSP and then recruit at LGW as they already do to cover the shortages! I hope they stick for once to what they been saying!
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 18:18
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Newbagr ...When you applied to BA did you apply for LGW or where you one of the LHR WW Temps that where sent down to LGW ?

All I remember from the BA website in the past month for cabin crew vacancies was "AIR CABIN CREW SINGLE FLEET , LGW ONLY" now why would they put that in the advertisement ? To me it sounds like if you apply for this position you will not be able to transfer to LHR .

I'll wait first and if LGW comes up Again well then i'll just have to bite the bullet and apply

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Old 15th Mar 2007, 22:58
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matey the reason they put this Gatwick Fleet only is to avoid having people applying and then asking them if there is anychance they could be sent to LHR cos they live close to LHR or other reasons or sometimes they get people turning it down after they get the job and tell them if there is any chance they could be kept in the holding pool for when LHR comes up. There are transfer agreements between the two bases and recently the company have made clear that they intend to do recruitment to LHR thru LGW
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Old 16th Mar 2007, 00:47
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Should you decide to go for the LHR Temp if it comes up, let me tell you that you will have a great time doing an LAX, YVR, SFO, MIA and wherever else. You will also earn far better money in the process - an average of 1900.00 per month as opposed to 1100.00 at LGW where you really do work very, very hard.
Just out of curiosity...how come the money is so different?
Has it to do with the temporary contract? Or is it because of the location or the fleet?
Is there permanent staff at LHR at all?
It just seems such a huge difference and quite unfair...but maybe I'm missing bits of information?!

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Old 23rd Mar 2007, 15:10
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Talking HELP!!!!!

hay ... Im completly new to all this.... but iv got an interview on wed next week for Gatwick crew..... anyone got any advice?? any help would be GREAT!!!!!
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Old 23rd Mar 2007, 15:50
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Hi Tipitoes - good luck for your interview. My advice is to be yourself, smile and interact as much as you can with the other candidates. Have loads of real examples of when you have given excellent customer service, dealt with angry customers, gone beyond the call of duty etc etc. Give real examples cos they will know if you have made them up. Above all try to relax and enjoy it - I was so nervous before the day but the nerves went when I was there and I got through and start on the 11th June. Good luck and pm me if you need to.
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Old 23rd Mar 2007, 20:36
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Dolley, I'm shorthaul at LHR so I stand to be corrected, but I believe LGW crew are on hourly rates; LHR crew are on an allowance system which is completely different, hence the disparity in pay.
Yes, it's unfair and it's because of the fact that Gatwick shorthaul (which recently ceased to exist) was formed from the ashes of Dan-Air, an airline which BA bought in the past - the ex-Dan Air staff were also bought by BA BUT their old Dan-Air Terms & Conditions (pay) were kept in place and formed the basis of the BA LGW Eurofleet terms & Conditions.....when LGW became single fleet, I believe BA decided to pretty much apply the old Dan-Air-style conditions to the new set-up...this is why you may find some people going on about the LHR pay vs LGW pay....
LHR crew (Euro and Worldwide) generally earn more and work less because their contracts have a different origin...on Eurofleet, what we get paid depends (amongst other factors) on what time of the day we work (breakfast, lunch or dinner) and the cost of that meal in the hotel that we stay in overseas.....if you spend a whole day in Zurich say, then the allowances you get for that trip will depend on the cost of breakfast, lunch and dinner in the Zurich hotel, NOT the number of hours you work etc. On balance therefore, the allowance system seems to trigger more than the hourly rate paid at LGW.
Hope that makes sense...........
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Old 24th Mar 2007, 07:37
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Smell the coffee....half correct. We at LGW are on hourly pay (although there's a huge dispute going on at the moment as management say that the hourly pay, which is tax free, is intended as an allowance to pay for expenses downroute), but we also have overnight allowances.

So if we're away overnight, or we land back at lgw after 12midnight we get an extra overnight allowance too (not much I do not even remember how much it is right now, but better than nothing)
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Old 24th Mar 2007, 14:36
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Thanks flybywire, bumped into some of you at the NCL hotel the other day...couldn't believe the crew were all doing ATL, ANU, IAH the very next day!!
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Hey I know what you mean Smell the Coffee. On my Six Month temp contract I was getting used to the Long haul 4 day trips followed by 3 MBT's now I'm doign a 2 day 6 a there and back on the third day and then being sent to MCO on the fourth - then coming home and dying for days off. - I'm sure other ppl work harder in other airlines but my body clock is screwed!

To someone else who asked it LGW allowances 2.32 for each duty hour (check in to check out so you are being paid whilst on slip too) (this goes up to 6.37 an hour after 10.5 hours and then 12.76 an hour after 12.5 hours but this is only for flight duty time, not slip, so report to chocks on plus 15mins over 10.5 hours triggers o/t) 6.43 overnight allowances I think. We also currently trigger breakfast to be paid for on s/h and the Caribbean however this is part of current TU talks. There are also other allowances for rest day working (something like 80 a day) and dead heading and a few other things you might trigger once in a year.

This is a hangover from Dan Air/City Flyer contracts and there are actual diffrences within the MOA to what certain crew can do dependant on your original airline of employment which makes for very interesting confusion.

This leads to a Disparity in pay between what I was being paid at LHR on a temp contract (same pay as a perm contact jsut pro rata) and at LGW SF of about 9k a year mostly lost in allowances as the basic rate is not much different (about 500 a year). It is unfair but I think ppl who are ex EOG say that the longhaul was not just a carrot because of the expereince of these routes but has had tangible effects on their take home pay. IE eurofleet crew are better off now whereas anyone from another fleet is significantly worse off financially.

Depressing bit aside we have some lovely routes down to the Caribbean and 3 American routes too if shopping is your bag however I recon in a year when open skies comes these will likely go - some say to be replaced with holiday destinations like Mauritious however it;s all speculation but I wouldn't complain!!

And in reply to someone elses questions. I wouldn't bank on permanent recruitment to LHR opening up, I'd think it unlikely. I would also imagine, given assurances given by managment that any permanent movement into the base would be from LGW crew, there would be an uprising down the M23 I would personally be unhappy as sitting at the bottom of seniority at LGW (apparently 9 months of previous service counts for nothing) I would like to see some movement. however I had a lovely time on the 6 month contract and as this was a "gentlemens agreement" I would not be shocked to see perm contracts offered at LHR just annoyed.

Having said all that SFG is a wonderful fleet to work at - peeps are lovely with, as I said, some diamond routes. Young enthusiastic crew and you can bid for your trips my seniority is very low but I have been good with my bidding and so have some nice trips next month including a couple of 4 day Barbados' with no POS shuttle (HURRAH!!). Promotional opportunities are also excellent.

If the finances were the same I wouldn't touch the LHR transfer list with a shitty stick. However this is not the case so I'l be trying to get back up asap.

Sorry for the essay!!!!!!!

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Old 24th Mar 2007, 19:27
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Matt101

I agree with you 100%.

Very honest and down to earth explanation of SFG.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 01:14
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having recently spoke to simon talling smith head on IFS, he confirmed that ba would be recruiting temps this year. But numbers have not been decided. he stated that it would be nowhere near 700. which has been mentioned on galley fm.
they are going to recruit for temps to start at the end of the summer, this coincides with needing more main crew when the purser comes off the 747 in september. the number of maincrew will then decrease, as they have offered crew at lhr ww temp part time for 1 year starting this month. and they will need to go back to full time. this helps them reduce their 900 hours.

he also stated that there will be xfers from eurofleet from the xfer list.
hopefuly they will xfer people from sfg to euro lhr to allow for these xfers.
but remember that the xfer list to lhr ww is done in seniority and all crew at lhr euro are more senior in the nsp that sfg crew. but purser xfer 50% has to come of xfer list by seniority and 50% by internal promotion.

with the open skies coming in ( march i believe ) ba have already stated on the intranet that dfw will be going to lhr, i expect they will swap it with lhr eurofleet routes, to free up slots at lhr. so they will still need the same amount of crew at lgw.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 17:11
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Does this mean LGW will loose all its US routes :-(
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 17:39
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not all....just AT, DFW, IAH, (MCO and TPA should stay).
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 17:41
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BA-FLY, I would imagine IAH would be the No.1 route to move to LHR because of extremely important transfer traffic to oil-rich states in Africa...as all of our sub-Saharan routes leave from LHR, that is where the IAH route should start/end.
I guess the lesiure routes (Florida, Caribbean) might stay at LGW as the company seems to reserve LHR for premium/business routes (that applies to Euro and WW).
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 18:25
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Ok i see , it does make sense , it will be sad to loose those three routes as they havnt been around to long at LGW. Do You think they will get replaced ?
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 19:34
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They have been around for years - I used to do those routes over 10 years ago
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 20:19
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O ok sorry please forgive me lol Kinda new to this game
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