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I am going to spend the next few days with a copy of the eba I can write all over, the EBA info pack and a few bevvies. I encourage everyone to write/type everything they think is good/bad/indifferent about this EBA and send it around to all your friends, and get them to add their 2 cents worth as well. The more education and opinions out there the better. Plus, emailing each other is a more direct form of communication.
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Without having seen the EBA yet, from what I have seen on this forum, the main thing that concerns me is the company 'having the right to transfer you' and the OPT days. I wonder how we are going to earn this extra cash with heaps of crew spare after taking one crew of the 800.
Sinala1, make sure the bevvies dont give you the dreaded 'beer goggles' and make the EBA look better/worse than what it really is
Sinala1, make sure the bevvies dont give you the dreaded 'beer goggles' and make the EBA look better/worse than what it really is
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Haha crewbus na I have already spent a lot of time in the lead up to the release of the document, and now this past weekend, reading it and discussing it with different people. Now that I am going to have the full eba pack I am going to get "old red" (Simpons reference 
) out and go over it all again with a fine tooth comb
Happy Reading all 
) out and go over it all again with a fine tooth combHappy Reading all
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Well well, I have just perused the document. So many grey areas I feel, though of course once I get it on paper I will get out the highlighter and pick apart every single clause 
One thing that stuck out, and forgive me if I am reading this wrong, but the layover allowances.... (Renumeration table 9)
From my understanding, we will stop getting our standard $91, but instead get allowances depending on how long the layover is.
For example, I land into Perth at 2230, and then sign on again at 1300 the following day. Does this mean I will only get a the $14.95 layover payment, plus breakfast $18.55 and lunch $21.00 which equals $54.50. Missing out on the dinner allowance because I arrive after 2200?
Then clause C states that you will receive these payments when you are on a trip irrespective of whether you are on a duty or on a rest period. Does this mean if I do a day trip signing on at 0600 finishing at 1600 I will get the breakfast and lunch allowances?
Sorry if I am the only one finding this a little confusing.
One thing that stuck out, and forgive me if I am reading this wrong, but the layover allowances.... (Renumeration table 9)
From my understanding, we will stop getting our standard $91, but instead get allowances depending on how long the layover is.
For example, I land into Perth at 2230, and then sign on again at 1300 the following day. Does this mean I will only get a the $14.95 layover payment, plus breakfast $18.55 and lunch $21.00 which equals $54.50. Missing out on the dinner allowance because I arrive after 2200?
Then clause C states that you will receive these payments when you are on a trip irrespective of whether you are on a duty or on a rest period. Does this mean if I do a day trip signing on at 0600 finishing at 1600 I will get the breakfast and lunch allowances?
Sorry if I am the only one finding this a little confusing.
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I put this to all the current Virgin Blue crew:
What is the makeup of your fortnightly pay?
Base pay, Overnights and Available days.
The new EBA proposes overnight allowances based on the meal times you will be at an outstation. Minimum rest in Sydney would equate to $33.50 overnight allowance. Big difference to the current amount paid, regardless of time spent at outstation.
Available days. Being called out for a 3 day trip on Available days makes up a handsome sum on payday.
These days which according to the new document are 'Home Standbys' will still exist. WITHOUT the $21 per hour in addition to the base salary. And to add insult to injury, these times can be chopped and changed at the company's discretion. I thought this EBA was about lifestyle.
Lets not be fooled by the OPT days and DDOs. These are the last resort, after all Airport Standbys and Home Standbys have been utilised.
I wonder how many OPT days are going to be given each roster. My guess, minimal, and lets ask each other now, how often do you currently get drafted on a day off. I would imagine not enough to compensate for no extra hourly rate on an available day.
What is the makeup of your fortnightly pay?
Base pay, Overnights and Available days.
The new EBA proposes overnight allowances based on the meal times you will be at an outstation. Minimum rest in Sydney would equate to $33.50 overnight allowance. Big difference to the current amount paid, regardless of time spent at outstation.
Available days. Being called out for a 3 day trip on Available days makes up a handsome sum on payday.
These days which according to the new document are 'Home Standbys' will still exist. WITHOUT the $21 per hour in addition to the base salary. And to add insult to injury, these times can be chopped and changed at the company's discretion. I thought this EBA was about lifestyle.
Lets not be fooled by the OPT days and DDOs. These are the last resort, after all Airport Standbys and Home Standbys have been utilised.
I wonder how many OPT days are going to be given each roster. My guess, minimal, and lets ask each other now, how often do you currently get drafted on a day off. I would imagine not enough to compensate for no extra hourly rate on an available day.
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Not quite sure what you mean here. The way I read the EBA is that if you have a three day trip (2 o/nights)you would get the following if let's say you signed on at 0700 on the 1st day and signed off at 1800 on the last day:
1st day:
Breakfast:$18.55
Lunch :$21.00
Dinner: $36.18
Incidenatals: $14.95
Total - $90.68
2nd day: Same again
Breakfast:$18.55
Lunch :$21.00
Dinner: $36.18
Incidenatals: $14.95
Total - $90.68
3rd day:
Breakfast:$18.55
Lunch :$21.00
Dinner: $36.18
Total - $75.73
Comparison:
Current EBA you would be paid - $181 for 2 o/nights
New EBA you would be paid - $257.01 for 2 o/nights
I don't know about you but I like the look of the second one. It isn't really going to be that different except that if we have minimum layover or day trips it will affect it.
Not quite sure what you mean here. The way I read the EBA is that if you have a three day trip (2 o/nights)you would get the following if let's say you signed on at 0700 on the 1st day and signed off at 1800 on the last day:
1st day:
Breakfast:$18.55
Lunch :$21.00
Dinner: $36.18
Incidenatals: $14.95
Total - $90.68
2nd day: Same again
Breakfast:$18.55
Lunch :$21.00
Dinner: $36.18
Incidenatals: $14.95
Total - $90.68
3rd day:
Breakfast:$18.55
Lunch :$21.00
Dinner: $36.18
Total - $75.73
Comparison:
Current EBA you would be paid - $181 for 2 o/nights
New EBA you would be paid - $257.01 for 2 o/nights
I don't know about you but I like the look of the second one. It isn't really going to be that different except that if we have minimum layover or day trips it will affect it.
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I just re-read my post and the last line isn't correct
Even if we have minimum rest we still get paid the allowance. You have to look at the time you sign on and the time you sign off and add up all the allowances that fall in the window.
Even if we have minimum rest we still get paid the allowance. You have to look at the time you sign on and the time you sign off and add up all the allowances that fall in the window.
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From what I know crew meals will no longer be loaded, just enough things for sustinance (not sure what that may be). Whenever we are at work we get the allowance. We just don't get the $14.95 for incidentals.
All this information is in the FAQ.
I would suggest before you get on here and go off your head about what other people are saying:
1. Read the document when you get it
2. If you don't understand some things, firstly look at the FAQ document, there are 137 questions and answers just on this document and they will probably answer your question
3. If you still don't understand, email the link attached to the FAQ and they will get back to you, I think they are saying within 72 hours
4. Go to the forums. You will cannot get stood down if you ask pertinent questions . The company would get destoyed if they stood you down for this. I would, however, suggest you ask the questions maturely and professionally and don't overstep the company KOWF policies. If you do go off your head thenthey may have the right to stand you down
5. Don't get someones "opinion" on clauses or the whole EBA. If they are not an expert or have some background on the EBA, i.e. FAAA reps, the FAAA, CCDM's, you will get their opinion, probably not the correct answer.
We went through this last time with the EBA. Questions being asked and opinions being given before the document had been fully read and understood.
I emplore you to ask as many questions and vote on the EBA with all the information you have collected.
Don't be lazy and get the readers digest version, i.e. someone elses opinion.
We all need to be adults find out the information ourselves.
Rant over. Vodka and soda and EBA here I come!!!
All this information is in the FAQ.
I would suggest before you get on here and go off your head about what other people are saying:
1. Read the document when you get it
2. If you don't understand some things, firstly look at the FAQ document, there are 137 questions and answers just on this document and they will probably answer your question
3. If you still don't understand, email the link attached to the FAQ and they will get back to you, I think they are saying within 72 hours
4. Go to the forums. You will cannot get stood down if you ask pertinent questions . The company would get destoyed if they stood you down for this. I would, however, suggest you ask the questions maturely and professionally and don't overstep the company KOWF policies. If you do go off your head thenthey may have the right to stand you down
5. Don't get someones "opinion" on clauses or the whole EBA. If they are not an expert or have some background on the EBA, i.e. FAAA reps, the FAAA, CCDM's, you will get their opinion, probably not the correct answer.
We went through this last time with the EBA. Questions being asked and opinions being given before the document had been fully read and understood.
I emplore you to ask as many questions and vote on the EBA with all the information you have collected.
Don't be lazy and get the readers digest version, i.e. someone elses opinion.
We all need to be adults find out the information ourselves.
Rant over. Vodka and soda and EBA here I come!!!
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4.2.2.a We will reimburse you the reasonable costs of meals and incidentals, in accordance with Remuneration Table 9, on any trip where you layover away from home base at our direction, or as set out in subclause (d) below
4.2.2.c You will receive these amounts when you are on a trip irrespective of whether you are on duty or on a rest period.
4.2.2.d You will also receive these amounts when you are on a split duty in circumstances where:
i. the rest period is greater than 5 hours
ii. you are provided with accomodation; and
iii. the sign on and sign off are in different calender days.
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The way I see it we will have less overnights anyway so these allowances may add up to more if you get them but if your only getting your base wage then you better be working some serious overtime to make up the difference.
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Still waiting for the postman to come and I go away for 4 days tommorrow so theoretically I have had my reading time reduced by a week.
4.2.2.c You will receive these amounts when you are on a trip irrespective of whether you are on duty or on a rest period.
4.2.2.d You will also receive these amounts when you are on a split duty in circumstances where:
i. the rest period is greater than 5 hours
ii. you are provided with accomodation; and
iii. the sign on and sign off are in different calender days.
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The way I see it we will have less overnights anyway so these allowances may add up to more if you get them but if your only getting your base wage then you better be working some serious overtime to make up the difference.
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Still waiting for the postman to come and I go away for 4 days tommorrow so theoretically I have had my reading time reduced by a week.
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Very well said big hairy potatoes. That is exactly what I've been trying to say all along, but instead of keeping an open mind people just keep on ranting and being negative. I hope that everyone reads the document carefully. I also cannot understand the unsupported rumours of a pilot being stood down for expressing his views. This just doesn't make sense, as the company would be sued over something as arbitrary as this. Secondly, I am a positive person because I enjoy going to work, and it is dissapointing the way fellow crew members speak about the company. Negativity affects us all, and I am sure we would all enjoy our workplace a lot more if we keep to the facts and don't spread empty, damaging rumours.
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How you goin guys? Ive just found out that Im coming over to Virgin Blue on the next exchange from Virgin Atlantic. Going to be based in MEL, start training on the 14th May..hopefully fly with some of you soon! Cheers 
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It is all very well to encourage people to maintain an open mind notalwayssunny, however I think that what many people who post on this forum are concerned about is that some crew won't look deeply enough into it and simply vote yes without looking at the fineprint.
Many of the changes proposed appear to erode the favourable conditions that we currently enjoy (ie. daily overtime after 9 hours - for goodness sake, what other position are you paid monthly overtime??)
Yes, I agree, let's REALLY study the document (therefore giving it a fair go) and see how it compares to the current EBA.
I completely disagree with your comment regarding negativity in the workplace - most of us are positive about our workplace and want to keep it that way - if we allow our conditions to erode, THEN one may see some negativity.......I enjoy my job way too much to sit back and not stand up and try to maintain parts of our agreement which most of us are happy with.
Interesting times ahead (especially in the next few weeks....!!)
bvb
Many of the changes proposed appear to erode the favourable conditions that we currently enjoy (ie. daily overtime after 9 hours - for goodness sake, what other position are you paid monthly overtime??)
Yes, I agree, let's REALLY study the document (therefore giving it a fair go) and see how it compares to the current EBA.
I completely disagree with your comment regarding negativity in the workplace - most of us are positive about our workplace and want to keep it that way - if we allow our conditions to erode, THEN one may see some negativity.......I enjoy my job way too much to sit back and not stand up and try to maintain parts of our agreement which most of us are happy with.
Interesting times ahead (especially in the next few weeks....!!)
bvb
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Hi guys
Firstly, thank you for clarifying the new allowance for meals. For someone who would prefer daytrips, I like the idea of getting allowance money without having to be away from home.
Secondly, fair enough that you are concerned about the negativitiy surrounding this EBA, but it seems as though many of us are commenting on the new proposed conditions after reading through the EBA on our understanding of it.
I haven't been at work for the past week, so I only have the EBA that a fellow PPRUNER was kind enough to email me, so I am sure I am not the only one who does not have the FAQs to refer to. We all know that the FAAA website has let us down.
I for one am looking forward to reading through all of the information.
I am pleased the overnight allowance has been clarified, can you please do the same with Standbys at home, and tell me I have somehow missed that we will be paid extra for these if we get called out?
Also Airport Reserves, do we get anything for this considering it is in the EBA that we must assist ground crew or admin?
I look forward to more discussions on the EBA folks! And am always happy for someone to point out the positives that I may have overlooked
Firstly, thank you for clarifying the new allowance for meals. For someone who would prefer daytrips, I like the idea of getting allowance money without having to be away from home.
Secondly, fair enough that you are concerned about the negativitiy surrounding this EBA, but it seems as though many of us are commenting on the new proposed conditions after reading through the EBA on our understanding of it.
I haven't been at work for the past week, so I only have the EBA that a fellow PPRUNER was kind enough to email me, so I am sure I am not the only one who does not have the FAQs to refer to. We all know that the FAAA website has let us down.
I for one am looking forward to reading through all of the information.
I am pleased the overnight allowance has been clarified, can you please do the same with Standbys at home, and tell me I have somehow missed that we will be paid extra for these if we get called out?
Also Airport Reserves, do we get anything for this considering it is in the EBA that we must assist ground crew or admin?
I look forward to more discussions on the EBA folks! And am always happy for someone to point out the positives that I may have overlooked
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No allowances for day trips......
I could be wrong - so please correct me in the nicest possible way if this is the case, however I am quite sure from briefly reading the EBA online (and I will clarify this when I very carefully go through the hard copy with the red pen today!) that we do not get an allowance for meals (even though this would make sense) on day trips.
Just thought I'd throw that one out there and get the discussions flowing on another of the numerous topics that will be discussed on here in the coming weeks!
Now, where is that mailman.......
Oz
Just thought I'd throw that one out there and get the discussions flowing on another of the numerous topics that will be discussed on here in the coming weeks!
Now, where is that mailman.......
Oz