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Hi Ozflyboy
Clause 4.2.2c states that 'you will receive these payments when you are on a trip irrespective of whether you are on a duty or on a rest period', which I read as you will get them whenever you work through the meal times whether it be a day trip or an overnight.
Though like I said, I am reading it without any other reference to FAQs etc.
Hopefully today the posty will have a package in the mail!
Clause 4.2.2c states that 'you will receive these payments when you are on a trip irrespective of whether you are on a duty or on a rest period', which I read as you will get them whenever you work through the meal times whether it be a day trip or an overnight.
Though like I said, I am reading it without any other reference to FAQs etc.
Hopefully today the posty will have a package in the mail!
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Hi Crewbus,
I am only going on what has been posted here, however if you refer to wirgin blew's post, it states that we receive reimbursment on any trip where you layover away from home base at the company's directon. I understand that it is then that we recieve these payments whether on a duty or a rest period (only whilst away).
I really doubt we would be paid allowances for a daytrip.......
Let me now chase the postman up the street....!!!!
I am only going on what has been posted here, however if you refer to wirgin blew's post, it states that we receive reimbursment on any trip where you layover away from home base at the company's directon. I understand that it is then that we recieve these payments whether on a duty or a rest period (only whilst away).
I really doubt we would be paid allowances for a daytrip.......
Let me now chase the postman up the street....!!!!
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Hi ozflyboy
I think we will have to wait for the posty.
My initial understanding of it was we would only get these allowances on overnights, but then I read it as we would get it on any trip.
Time will tell!
I was just reading through the airport standby clauses. Apart from having to perform other duties and not getting paid extra
they can change the time we are on airport during the duty. Imagine doing the 5am-10am airport reserve. Then at 0930 they call you and say, no, you cant go home, you are staying until 1200!
No thanks! Where is my lifestyle choice in that?
What are your thoughts?
I think we will have to wait for the posty.
My initial understanding of it was we would only get these allowances on overnights, but then I read it as we would get it on any trip.
Time will tell!
I was just reading through the airport standby clauses. Apart from having to perform other duties and not getting paid extra
they can change the time we are on airport during the duty. Imagine doing the 5am-10am airport reserve. Then at 0930 they call you and say, no, you cant go home, you are staying until 1200!No thanks! Where is my lifestyle choice in that?
What are your thoughts?
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Sorry, to be negative but I can tell you that the rumour is actually fact - it happened at a pilot EBA meeting.
I don't know much about your EBA though it sounds like the company is proposing a similar allowance system to the one currently used for the pilots - you get paid an allowance for working through a meal period only when you overnight ie no meal allowance for a day trip.
I also cannot understand the unsupported rumours of a pilot being stood down for expressing his views.
I don't know much about your EBA though it sounds like the company is proposing a similar allowance system to the one currently used for the pilots - you get paid an allowance for working through a meal period only when you overnight ie no meal allowance for a day trip.
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In response to Warped Wings:
I cannot accept anything as fact without supporting evidence, in my experience almost all rumors end up being a complete fabrication or a distorted account of a situation. Being stood down for merely expressing one's views does not sound logical to me. There has to be more to the story.
I cannot accept anything as fact without supporting evidence, in my experience almost all rumors end up being a complete fabrication or a distorted account of a situation. Being stood down for merely expressing one's views does not sound logical to me. There has to be more to the story.
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Notalwayssunny,
Getting off the subject of the EBA for a minute, the pilots are still going on about a pilots strike that happened nearly 20 years ago, so of course they are still going to carry on about this pilot that was or wasnt stood down.
They dont seem to talk about much else, bless them.
Getting off the subject of the EBA for a minute, the pilots are still going on about a pilots strike that happened nearly 20 years ago, so of course they are still going to carry on about this pilot that was or wasnt stood down.
They dont seem to talk about much else, bless them.
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NO crewbus, the postie has just come and gone for the second day in a row. All he had was bills!!!
We were told that it was posted out on the 1st and it is now the 6th- I don't think that Australia post is that bad........................
We were told that it was posted out on the 1st and it is now the 6th- I don't think that Australia post is that bad........................
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I think the whole thing, including the actual document itself is a sham!
Of course that is my opinion, but I just went through and made a list of points that really concerned me. I am hoping this will be reduced when I get the FAQs, though I doubt it.
How can they pay us for available days now, but then all of a sudden just stop and think we will be ok with it?
Plus hours not being included for training days? What about when we have to be trained on the Embraers?
Of course that is my opinion, but I just went through and made a list of points that really concerned me. I am hoping this will be reduced when I get the FAQs, though I doubt it.
How can they pay us for available days now, but then all of a sudden just stop and think we will be ok with it?
Plus hours not being included for training days? What about when we have to be trained on the Embraers?
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No EBA pack in my neck of the woods either.... it's all very stressful at the moment. The time that would have gone into constructing this new EBA, I don't even want to think about Are they ready and willing to keep it the way it is or going to be forcing peoples hands to vote yes for this. The money that would have gone in to making the schmick dvd's etc could have be spent on other things. I hope they are ready for alot of backlash and questions that need serious answers... available money no longer being paid, being able to extend you airport hours whenever they feel like it. That is just not right. There are many of us that have children and to think that we have an airport from 0700 -1200 and then to be phoned and told that we will have to be there till 14.00 is ridiculous. What happens to little Sammy that needs to be picked up from creche at 13.00 because according to my roster I finished at 12.00!!!!! We are not puppets and should be making our points very clear. I hope everyone out there, new or old to the company takes a long hard look at the new EBA and doesn't just vote for what Joe Bloggs is doing because you can't be bothered reading it properly yourself. This is our life guys and if it is signed in it is here to stay for a very long time!!!
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Smile... dont be so sure about Australia Post. I'm awaiting a package from TAFE which they said they sent 2 weeks ago, and i'm still waiting to see it. And also, i work at a hotel, and we sent out a pillow to someone who left it behind (must of been a good one if they wanted it posted out) and we had them (the guests) calling us up every second day for about 3 weeks asking if we had sent it, and we sent it like a week before she started calling us. I wonder if she's recieved it yet... And we had 60 letters go missing...
But anyway... They may have actualy posted it out and its just sitting in one of Australia Posts many boxes.
But anyway... They may have actualy posted it out and its just sitting in one of Australia Posts many boxes.
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Hi Bla,
I don't work for Virgin Blue but rumour has it that they're looking at the 2nd half of 2008 flying to the the west coast of the US with B777-300's.
Having said that, everything is subject to various negotiations and approvals.
exmax
I don't work for Virgin Blue but rumour has it that they're looking at the 2nd half of 2008 flying to the the west coast of the US with B777-300's.
Having said that, everything is subject to various negotiations and approvals.
exmax
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I hope they are ready for alot of backlash and questions that need serious answers... available money no longer being paid, being able to extend you airport hours whenever they feel like it. That is just not right. There are many of us that have children and to think that we have an airport from 0700 -1200 and then to be phoned and told that we will have to be there till 14.00 is ridiculous. What happens to little Sammy that needs to be picked up from creche at 13.00 because according to my roster I finished at 12.00!!!!! We are not puppets and should be making our points very clear.
Keeponsmiling, I have had a good look (very good look in fact) over the EBA, and while I still have a few questions that need answering, I think a couple of things you have mentioned need to be clarified. What happens if you are on an Airport now and are called out at 5 mins to 1200?? You would have to arrange to have someone to pick up Johnny from creche anyway. Being on airport means that you can be called to fly at anytime from 0700-1200 anyway. Under the new EBA, anytime spent on Airport will still count towards your rostered hours so it wouldn't be in VB's best interest to ALWAYS extend the Airport hours as you would run out of hours and according to point 6.17 (q) Duty time spent on airport standby will count for roster overtime purposes and fatigue avoidance limitations.
As for Available Days, they will exist but they will be called Optional Days. You can elect to work on these days or not. So you will have a choice. And you have no obligation to accept a duty unless you have nominated to request a shift on that day. You will still be paid for working a shift on these days, $150 for a shift up to 6 hours and $250 for a shift over 6 hours. Also, you will only be drafted once a month maximum. At the moment, you can be drafted on any day off.
I hope everyone out there, new or old to the company takes a long hard look at the new EBA and doesn't just vote for what Joe Bloggs is doing because you can't be bothered reading it properly yourself. This is our life guys and if it is signed in it is here to stay for a very long time!!!
Let's hope we can sort this EBA out as soon as possible. I for one am sick of waiting for it all to be sorted out and really want one less thing to think about. Here's hoping for a quick resolution.
Cheers,
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CCGUY- I am well aware how an airport reserve works- thankyou for clarifying! I was trying to make an example out of a situation that can be manipulated. As it seems most things in the EBA can be manipulated to suit them not us (but, however, if, except etc etc etc). I just feel with all of this, we will be losing more of our lifestyle as we will never fully know when our work day is going to end start etc.
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ccguy,
Maybe you should listen to your own advice and make your own decision. A previous post by yourself made reference your partner. It isn't your partner's EBA, it is yours. So even if your partner works for Virgin Blue, it would be fairly foolish to lact on what he thinks. Surely you have enough maturity to make your own mind up?
If you look at the EBA closely, Available Days are not being replaced by Optional Days. They are being replaced by Standbys at home, without an extra hourly rate.
Check out clause 6.24 - Assigning Work to Cabin Crew. Crew will be called out on Optional Days AFTER crew who are on call, airport and standbys, re assignables, displaced crew have all been utilised.
After being rostered 10 days off, with a couple of trips, Airports and availables how often do you think you will be rostered an OPT day?
So ccguy, before you get on here and go on about what 'your partner' thinks, double check the facts and make your own decision.
You can do it
Maybe you should listen to your own advice and make your own decision. A previous post by yourself made reference your partner. It isn't your partner's EBA, it is yours. So even if your partner works for Virgin Blue, it would be fairly foolish to lact on what he thinks. Surely you have enough maturity to make your own mind up?
If you look at the EBA closely, Available Days are not being replaced by Optional Days. They are being replaced by Standbys at home, without an extra hourly rate.
Check out clause 6.24 - Assigning Work to Cabin Crew. Crew will be called out on Optional Days AFTER crew who are on call, airport and standbys, re assignables, displaced crew have all been utilised.
After being rostered 10 days off, with a couple of trips, Airports and availables how often do you think you will be rostered an OPT day?
So ccguy, before you get on here and go on about what 'your partner' thinks, double check the facts and make your own decision.
You can do it
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crewbus, it is all about getting a better understanding of the EBA. I CHOSE to get someone outside the company to help me understand this EBA and this is my choice. I have chosen to seek clarification not only from him, but also from when I attend the EBA meetings. I don't tell you who to seek clarification from, and I expect you to also respect my wishes as to whom I speak to about the EBA.
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Hi ccguy
Of course I respect that you cant make the decision on your own so you ask someone else for help - thats fine. My main concern was you rattling on about standbys being replaced by OPT, when clearly this is not the case.
But like you said, this can all be clarified at one of the roadshows. In the meantime though, this forum is a great way to see how other people are feeling about the proposed EBA!
Maybe i'll see you at a forum
Of course I respect that you cant make the decision on your own so you ask someone else for help - thats fine. My main concern was you rattling on about standbys being replaced by OPT, when clearly this is not the case.
But like you said, this can all be clarified at one of the roadshows. In the meantime though, this forum is a great way to see how other people are feeling about the proposed EBA!
Maybe i'll see you at a forum