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Apologies for stepping in again...
If these rumours are true, then there exists a possibiliy of criminal proceedings being taken against those ultimately accused of these actions, not just in terms of criminal damage, but in terms of endngering the safety of the aircraft.
Therefore, may I ask you to ensure that future comments made on PPRuNe do not, even by inference, name individuals or expose PPRuNe in any way to litigation, or even complaint: Posts that do so, even if inadvertantly, will be deleted.
Thanks for your help.
If these rumours are true, then there exists a possibiliy of criminal proceedings being taken against those ultimately accused of these actions, not just in terms of criminal damage, but in terms of endngering the safety of the aircraft.
Therefore, may I ask you to ensure that future comments made on PPRuNe do not, even by inference, name individuals or expose PPRuNe in any way to litigation, or even complaint: Posts that do so, even if inadvertantly, will be deleted.
Thanks for your help.
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Now, it is my opinion that the only way to get a blanket to flush down a vac lav would be to do it at altitude. On the ground the blower in the system just doesn't have the guts. The genius responsible is not helping the cause and deserves what they get. It is not funny when you are the poor sod elbow deep in crap fishing these things out of a half full toilet tank.
It may seem like the perfect way to ground an a/c (no crappers) but is mindless vandalism at best. The cc has drawn the ire of the engineers in Sydney base over this, so don't be surprised if the shoulder is a little cool. Find the imbecile and stop them.
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3 posts now deleted in 10 minutes - all aggressive in tone, and including personal attacks - you may disagree with Redstone, but he has made his point without resorting to abuse and invective: His post is an understandable reaction from somebody who is at the business end of fixing the problem. Irritated engineers are not the problem - blankets in toilets are, if the rumour mill is accurate.
Cool heads will make for better judgement, so stay cool.
Cool heads will make for better judgement, so stay cool.
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Twiggs,
Ok I'm curious so I'll bite.
What do you mean by a STR campaign or what does the acronym STR stand for?
By the way this sort of behaviour by whoever is insane and does not do one iota of good especially as tightslot said for the people at the business end of fixing it not to mention the cost of the delays both to the customer and the company and our reputation.
Ok I'm curious so I'll bite.
What do you mean by a STR campaign or what does the acronym STR stand for?
By the way this sort of behaviour by whoever is insane and does not do one iota of good especially as tightslot said for the people at the business end of fixing it not to mention the cost of the delays both to the customer and the company and our reputation.
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I totally agreee with Tightslot. There is potential for this to be a criminal offence and as far as i am concerned, whoever is found to be the culprit needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
If it is found to be aircrew or cleaning or engineering then as far as i am concerned no airline should have an employee like this on the payroll and the matter should be referred to the appropriate legal authorities and not the Qantas Keystone cops who have a habit of cocking up most investigations.
Cabin Crew should not have to put up with this sort of mindless vandalism that borders on an act of terrorism as far as i am concerned. I find it hard to believe that a cabin crew member could behave this way but if proven to be any sort of crew...then no flight attendant would have any sympathy for the person concerned.
To suggest that Cabin Crew as a community would receive any cold shoulder from Engineering of anyone else in the Airline Community would be an unnecessary over reaction. No flight attendant would condone this behaviour and i am sure when the culprit is found then the rest of the Cabin Crew would be glad to have him/her out of our ranks
If it is found to be aircrew or cleaning or engineering then as far as i am concerned no airline should have an employee like this on the payroll and the matter should be referred to the appropriate legal authorities and not the Qantas Keystone cops who have a habit of cocking up most investigations.
Cabin Crew should not have to put up with this sort of mindless vandalism that borders on an act of terrorism as far as i am concerned. I find it hard to believe that a cabin crew member could behave this way but if proven to be any sort of crew...then no flight attendant would have any sympathy for the person concerned.
To suggest that Cabin Crew as a community would receive any cold shoulder from Engineering of anyone else in the Airline Community would be an unnecessary over reaction. No flight attendant would condone this behaviour and i am sure when the culprit is found then the rest of the Cabin Crew would be glad to have him/her out of our ranks
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whereabouts on the map of tassie is Hobart?
ps....As Pegasus has said be under no misunderstanding the act of doing anything that is destructive to property IS a criminal act.
ps....As Pegasus has said be under no misunderstanding the act of doing anything that is destructive to property IS a criminal act.
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I find Redstone's comment about cabin crew receiving the cold shoulder totally out of line, how could you possibly blame all CC for this act of vandalism by given them the cold shoulder.
I find that line totally incomprehensible.
I find that line totally incomprehensible.
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Just recounting the general mood Friday night Cart, I know 99.99% of CC are totaly professional and do an excellent job under difficult conditions, hence your reaction. It is frustrating and beyond belief. If only the culprit or culprits knew (where ever they come from) that these sorts of acts do not upset "Qantas" the airline as such but the poor slobs who have to clean up the mess.
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A cut and paste from todays "Australia", OINK OINK OINK
Conflict concern over Qantas boss stakes
Richard Gluyas
November 27, 2006
REPORTS that Qantas management could take a 1 per cent stake in any takeover of the national airline have aroused concern among investors about possible conflicts.
A consortium featuring Macquarie Bank, US-based Texas Pacific Group and Canada's Onex is believed to be preparing to lodge a bid valuing Qantas at up to $11 billion.
While the carrier has said the approach is confidential, incomplete and under investigation by the company, the consortium is already conducting due diligence ahead of putting a proposal to the board.
There have been reports, furthermore, that Qantas management, including chief executive Geoff Dixon, could get around 1 per cent of the airline, worth $110 million, as an incentive.
Mr Dixon has played down the reports, releasing a brief statement on Friday saying he had had no discussions with any member of the consortium on his "future role, remuneration or equity in any new company".
This was in line with protocols set up by the Qantas board, he said.
Australian Shareholders Association chairman Stephen Matthews said there was a question surrounding the sufficiency of any protocols, given Mr Dixon's critical role.
"The CEO is key to both sides -- the bidders as well as the board, some of whom might want Qantas to remain a listed company," Mr Matthews said.
"But Mr Dixon might also have an interest in getting Qantas out of the public spotlight to achieve some of his targets in cost reduction. It's unclear how that's all going to be dealt with."
If the takeover bid proceeds and is successful, Qantas is expected to take a more aggressive approach to reducing costs, including changes to the working conditions of staff.
As a legacy airline, pay and conditions for Qantas workers are superior to those at Jetstar, the airline's no-frills start-up.
One industry expert, however, predicted Qantas's heavily unionised workforce would fight a concerted battle against reduced pay and conditions, regardless of whether the airline was in public or private ownership.
Richard Gluyas
November 27, 2006
REPORTS that Qantas management could take a 1 per cent stake in any takeover of the national airline have aroused concern among investors about possible conflicts.
A consortium featuring Macquarie Bank, US-based Texas Pacific Group and Canada's Onex is believed to be preparing to lodge a bid valuing Qantas at up to $11 billion.
While the carrier has said the approach is confidential, incomplete and under investigation by the company, the consortium is already conducting due diligence ahead of putting a proposal to the board.
There have been reports, furthermore, that Qantas management, including chief executive Geoff Dixon, could get around 1 per cent of the airline, worth $110 million, as an incentive.
Mr Dixon has played down the reports, releasing a brief statement on Friday saying he had had no discussions with any member of the consortium on his "future role, remuneration or equity in any new company".
This was in line with protocols set up by the Qantas board, he said.
Australian Shareholders Association chairman Stephen Matthews said there was a question surrounding the sufficiency of any protocols, given Mr Dixon's critical role.
"The CEO is key to both sides -- the bidders as well as the board, some of whom might want Qantas to remain a listed company," Mr Matthews said.
"But Mr Dixon might also have an interest in getting Qantas out of the public spotlight to achieve some of his targets in cost reduction. It's unclear how that's all going to be dealt with."
If the takeover bid proceeds and is successful, Qantas is expected to take a more aggressive approach to reducing costs, including changes to the working conditions of staff.
As a legacy airline, pay and conditions for Qantas workers are superior to those at Jetstar, the airline's no-frills start-up.
One industry expert, however, predicted Qantas's heavily unionised workforce would fight a concerted battle against reduced pay and conditions, regardless of whether the airline was in public or private ownership.
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Twigs,
Thanks for you info but I am sure that 99.99999% of crew who feel the need to vent their unhappiness with the company by vocally supporting the STR campaign would not condone nor involve themselves with anything that involves any damage or sabotage to anyones property.
Crew might talk loosely about this and that but to actually do something along the lines of this latest discussion I believe to be limited to an individual at worst ( I hope).
I'm sure you would agree that crew as a group would not lower themselves to a criminal act no matter how unhappy they are with the company.
This sort of sensless act does nothing to address our feelings with the company but only makes life difficult and unreasonably so for the people who have to rectify the damage.
If a person is found guilty of this act then as well as being sacked they should be made to clean out aircraft toilets for a 3 month period if not longer instead of going to the slammer.
Thanks for you info but I am sure that 99.99999% of crew who feel the need to vent their unhappiness with the company by vocally supporting the STR campaign would not condone nor involve themselves with anything that involves any damage or sabotage to anyones property.
Crew might talk loosely about this and that but to actually do something along the lines of this latest discussion I believe to be limited to an individual at worst ( I hope).
I'm sure you would agree that crew as a group would not lower themselves to a criminal act no matter how unhappy they are with the company.
This sort of sensless act does nothing to address our feelings with the company but only makes life difficult and unreasonably so for the people who have to rectify the damage.
If a person is found guilty of this act then as well as being sacked they should be made to clean out aircraft toilets for a 3 month period if not longer instead of going to the slammer.
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Jet * int......"feedback"
Have heard some rather ordinary feedback on the airline of CHOICE.
Apparently the SYD-HKT ( Phuket) flight last week was a "nightmare".
Anyone ( QF- L/H ) who has previously operated the A-330-200 to PER would understand exactly what happened.
SYD-PER flight time is 4.40 hrs TOD.
SYD-HKT flight time is 8.50 hr TOD.
For those who have done the Math.....this is double the flight time.
At the end of PER flights, there was no room in the bins,toilets stunk,galleys congested,pax all over the place and no where to go!!!
The Jet * HKT flight had all the hallmarks of the above plus more. As most pax in the Y/C cabin brought on a mountain of food-naturally where do you dispose of all the rubbish. And yes -it was freezing-$15.00 per blanket.Only 1 problem.......not enough blankets.
Sure, its only very early days. And yes they will probably get their act together over time.....due to their hard working energetic crews. Lets hope their 787 is more suited to an International operation.
But.....be warned, SQ have made it known that there SQ and Silk Air ( ex SIN) operation will match Jet * any day PLUS you get a meal, movie and blankey for nix !!!
Apparently the SYD-HKT ( Phuket) flight last week was a "nightmare".
Anyone ( QF- L/H ) who has previously operated the A-330-200 to PER would understand exactly what happened.
SYD-PER flight time is 4.40 hrs TOD.
SYD-HKT flight time is 8.50 hr TOD.
For those who have done the Math.....this is double the flight time.
At the end of PER flights, there was no room in the bins,toilets stunk,galleys congested,pax all over the place and no where to go!!!
The Jet * HKT flight had all the hallmarks of the above plus more. As most pax in the Y/C cabin brought on a mountain of food-naturally where do you dispose of all the rubbish. And yes -it was freezing-$15.00 per blanket.Only 1 problem.......not enough blankets.
Sure, its only very early days. And yes they will probably get their act together over time.....due to their hard working energetic crews. Lets hope their 787 is more suited to an International operation.
But.....be warned, SQ have made it known that there SQ and Silk Air ( ex SIN) operation will match Jet * any day PLUS you get a meal, movie and blankey for nix !!!
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Faaa Newsletter
28 November 2006 ID70-06
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
LARGE QANTAS MEMBERSHIP MEETINGS RESOUNDINGLY SUPPORT FAAA DIRECTION
Members would be aware that the recent series of 21 FAAA Qantas members’ meetings concluded on Friday 17 November.
The attendance at these meetings was an all time record, apart from the strike meeting in 2003. A total of 814 members attended this series of meetings indicating that cabin crew are interested in the challenges and issues that will have a huge impact on them in the coming year or so.
These meetings had a twin objective. Firstly, to brief our membership in Qantas Long Haul about the Howard Governments draconian anti-worker industrial laws and secondly, to discuss the industrial stance that the FAAA should adopt to deal with the serious challenges confronting Long Haul.
The following resolution was put at the meetings “ THIS MEETING ENDORSES A PRAGMATIC FAAA INDUSTRIAL POLICY WHICH WILL AIM TO PROTECT THE JOB SECURITY AND WORKING CONDITIONS OF OUR MEMBERS WHILST RECOGNISING THE CURRENT INDUSTRIAL CIRCUMSTANCES”.
The voting result was as follows:
FOR - 810
AGAINST-1
ABSTENTIONS – 3
I thank the membership for this overwhelming support and I also take the opportunity to thank many of you for your individual statements of support and your kind comments about how the meetings were conducted.
The FAAA will now try to achieve an EBA 8, which will attempt to produce conditions conducive for growth, promotion and job security in Long Haul. Clearly, our members have understood the realities that face us, and that serious and difficult decisions must be at least contemplated if we are going to have a secure future.
20 Ewan Street Mascot NSW 2020 Tel 61 2 8337 1111 Fax 61 2 8337 1122 Emergency Contact 0414 894 192
In relation to the hostile anti- worker industrial laws; the message is simple; the Howard Government must be “sacked” consistent with its laws that have made it easier for employers to sack their employees.
The FAAA will intensify the campaign against Howard leading up to the federal election. We will ensure every cabin crew member in Long Haul and Australian Airlines understand that voting for Howard = destruction of working conditions and job security.
Once again, thanks to all of you for your tremendous support. In these difficult times it is personally heartening and encouraging to see that we are all sticking together in an unprecedented way and that the FAAA International Division’s elected officials have such strong support from the membership.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
LARGE QANTAS MEMBERSHIP MEETINGS RESOUNDINGLY SUPPORT FAAA DIRECTION
Members would be aware that the recent series of 21 FAAA Qantas members’ meetings concluded on Friday 17 November.
The attendance at these meetings was an all time record, apart from the strike meeting in 2003. A total of 814 members attended this series of meetings indicating that cabin crew are interested in the challenges and issues that will have a huge impact on them in the coming year or so.
These meetings had a twin objective. Firstly, to brief our membership in Qantas Long Haul about the Howard Governments draconian anti-worker industrial laws and secondly, to discuss the industrial stance that the FAAA should adopt to deal with the serious challenges confronting Long Haul.
The following resolution was put at the meetings “ THIS MEETING ENDORSES A PRAGMATIC FAAA INDUSTRIAL POLICY WHICH WILL AIM TO PROTECT THE JOB SECURITY AND WORKING CONDITIONS OF OUR MEMBERS WHILST RECOGNISING THE CURRENT INDUSTRIAL CIRCUMSTANCES”.
The voting result was as follows:
FOR - 810
AGAINST-1
ABSTENTIONS – 3
I thank the membership for this overwhelming support and I also take the opportunity to thank many of you for your individual statements of support and your kind comments about how the meetings were conducted.
The FAAA will now try to achieve an EBA 8, which will attempt to produce conditions conducive for growth, promotion and job security in Long Haul. Clearly, our members have understood the realities that face us, and that serious and difficult decisions must be at least contemplated if we are going to have a secure future.
20 Ewan Street Mascot NSW 2020 Tel 61 2 8337 1111 Fax 61 2 8337 1122 Emergency Contact 0414 894 192
In relation to the hostile anti- worker industrial laws; the message is simple; the Howard Government must be “sacked” consistent with its laws that have made it easier for employers to sack their employees.
The FAAA will intensify the campaign against Howard leading up to the federal election. We will ensure every cabin crew member in Long Haul and Australian Airlines understand that voting for Howard = destruction of working conditions and job security.
Once again, thanks to all of you for your tremendous support. In these difficult times it is personally heartening and encouraging to see that we are all sticking together in an unprecedented way and that the FAAA International Division’s elected officials have such strong support from the membership.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
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Disneyland
Latest CC News makes a small mention of the "Engagement Survey" Results
!.Employees have a strong loyalty to the brand
2.There has been a significant improvement in the relationsgip with managers.
Note..managers...not management.
Which managers?...onboard managers perhaps but certainly not the"Visiting Management".
The management who has yet to have any of their Clause 11s validated by a court.
Good Lord these people live in Fantasyland
On a happier note... there is a rumour that is gathering momentum that the Black Widow is soon to be moved sideways and down
!.Employees have a strong loyalty to the brand
2.There has been a significant improvement in the relationsgip with managers.
Note..managers...not management.
Which managers?...onboard managers perhaps but certainly not the"Visiting Management".
The management who has yet to have any of their Clause 11s validated by a court.
Good Lord these people live in Fantasyland
On a happier note... there is a rumour that is gathering momentum that the Black Widow is soon to be moved sideways and down
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Tightslot,
What happened to some of our posts ? We were talking about the political situation in Australia and I’ve come back and they appear to have been deleted!
When I last looked there was no abuse or possibility or risk of litigation or complaint so I assume your guidlines were being met especially compared to other instances.
What happened to some of our posts ? We were talking about the political situation in Australia and I’ve come back and they appear to have been deleted!
When I last looked there was no abuse or possibility or risk of litigation or complaint so I assume your guidlines were being met especially compared to other instances.
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.......which bank?
Darth and the boys must be breathing a sigh of relief over their Chardies tonight , knowing that the Comm Bank has jumped first and taken some heat off the launch of the AWA's.
Everyone hates the banks.........so it just runs straight off them-hardly newsworthy or surprising.
BUT, now the REAL game is soon to begin.
The Equity Group machinations will give the Board the mandate they need to roll out ( sorry -OFFER!!!) AWA's.
My prediction is that its all going to happen sooner rather than later.
Everyone hates the banks.........so it just runs straight off them-hardly newsworthy or surprising.
BUT, now the REAL game is soon to begin.
The Equity Group machinations will give the Board the mandate they need to roll out ( sorry -OFFER!!!) AWA's.
My prediction is that its all going to happen sooner rather than later.
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Tightslot,
What happened to some of our posts ? We were talking about the political situation in Australia and I’ve come back and they appear to have been deleted!
When I last looked there was no abuse or possibility or risk of litigation or complaint so I assume your guidlines were being met especially compared to other instances.
What happened to some of our posts ? We were talking about the political situation in Australia and I’ve come back and they appear to have been deleted!
When I last looked there was no abuse or possibility or risk of litigation or complaint so I assume your guidlines were being met especially compared to other instances.
Sorry if you've missed this from previous QF threads, maybe I should have posted a reminder.
We don't do politics here - we do aviation and cabin crew in particular. There are other sites where you can discuss political issues. These QF threads tend to get exciting enough without adding politics to the mix.