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Upgrading and use of Pax Seats
Any CSM of either division who allowed to use passenger seats without a legitimate reason is taking a huge risk in the current environment.
Upgrading non commercial passengers is also a risky business. We have all done it in the past but the greatest risk these days is a don from a colleague.
Its really nice thing for a CSM to do for a crew or a crew members family. But the CSM is putting their rank and potentially job at risk.
There was a time when Line Managers would have perhaps given you a rap over the knuckles and a kick in the tail, more for getting caught than for the act itself. But those days and that style of management is over.
It's a new world and CSM's sadly have to get with the program... or "risk" the consequences.......sad but reality
Upgrading non commercial passengers is also a risky business. We have all done it in the past but the greatest risk these days is a don from a colleague.
Its really nice thing for a CSM to do for a crew or a crew members family. But the CSM is putting their rank and potentially job at risk.
There was a time when Line Managers would have perhaps given you a rap over the knuckles and a kick in the tail, more for getting caught than for the act itself. But those days and that style of management is over.
It's a new world and CSM's sadly have to get with the program... or "risk" the consequences.......sad but reality
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The company seems to be trying harder and harder with each month that goes by to take away any enjoyment that we have in our work.I reckon they go out of their way to make sure this happens but if we look at what they do including Mr/Ms Lert we find some interesting contradictions.
Has anyone and i also mean Ms BaLert not
Taken a pen home
Taken a pad home
taken anything from the office like paper clips,rubber bands or any stationary.
photocopied anything for personal use.
And has anyone who works in any qantas building made a personal call from a company office phone.
These are only a small number of things that they TAKE for granted BUT if we do anything they are quick to jump up and down and lecture us before dishing out a clause 11.
Has anyone else noticed how many things like cheese trays are seen in the offices.
Plus how many ground staff go in work time to staff travel or walk outside for a smoke break.
they can turn up a few minutes late for work or leave a few minutes early but if we do the office has moved.
I reckon this basically is about some crew in s/h trying to pay us back for buying them out and of office dwellers jealous of our jobs.
Has anyone and i also mean Ms BaLert not
Taken a pen home
Taken a pad home
taken anything from the office like paper clips,rubber bands or any stationary.
photocopied anything for personal use.
And has anyone who works in any qantas building made a personal call from a company office phone.
These are only a small number of things that they TAKE for granted BUT if we do anything they are quick to jump up and down and lecture us before dishing out a clause 11.
Has anyone else noticed how many things like cheese trays are seen in the offices.
Plus how many ground staff go in work time to staff travel or walk outside for a smoke break.
they can turn up a few minutes late for work or leave a few minutes early but if we do the office has moved.
I reckon this basically is about some crew in s/h trying to pay us back for buying them out and of office dwellers jealous of our jobs.
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Speedbirdhouse...
"I was told by ex CCM DH [before he saw the light] that there wasn't much cabin crew "management"
could do about a situation like this given that the Captain is ultimately in charge and doesn't answer to the thugs we do."
Couldn't agree more Speedbirdhouse.
2 weeks ago I was ambushed at the sign on desk by "one of them" and interogated about a pax complaint.
The conversation went around and around. The questioning infantile and pathetic bordering at times being laughable. Anyway , at the end of it all another " one of them" came over and said that "they" have the incorrect sector....."it was the right flight number QF10, BUT someone forgot the fact that the LHR based crew operate this sector on this day of the week !!!!"
Oh pleeeeeze.
They virtually had the CSM hung , drawn and quartered and as it turned out............the wrong sector.
How often does this happen and someone forgets to "connect the dots".?
You mentioned ex CCM DH. It was because he used to fly , that he UNDERSTOOD what was clearly going on, unlike these clowns we have at the moment.
"PRICE CHECK.... ON BIG RED TOMATO SAUCE COME TO REGISTER #4".......ring any bells for the current management team
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"I was told by ex CCM DH [before he saw the light] that there wasn't much cabin crew "management"
could do about a situation like this given that the Captain is ultimately in charge and doesn't answer to the thugs we do."Couldn't agree more Speedbirdhouse.
2 weeks ago I was ambushed at the sign on desk by "one of them" and interogated about a pax complaint.
The conversation went around and around. The questioning infantile and pathetic bordering at times being laughable. Anyway , at the end of it all another " one of them" came over and said that "they" have the incorrect sector....."it was the right flight number QF10, BUT someone forgot the fact that the LHR based crew operate this sector on this day of the week !!!!"
Oh pleeeeeze.
They virtually had the CSM hung , drawn and quartered and as it turned out............the wrong sector.
How often does this happen and someone forgets to "connect the dots".?
You mentioned ex CCM DH. It was because he used to fly , that he UNDERSTOOD what was clearly going on, unlike these clowns we have at the moment.
"PRICE CHECK.... ON BIG RED TOMATO SAUCE COME TO REGISTER #4".......ring any bells for the current management team
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Let’s not forget another commonly illegal and improper use of company resources by using a company computer terminal to access the internet during work hours.
BALert as you are a person of integrity and believe in adhering to company standards and procedures I expect you to ring downstairs to security and stand yourself down pending an official investigation for misuse of company time and equipment.You will be issued with a clause 11 and docked wages for time not spent on company work.I also expect you to forego staff travel for 12 months and give back all your company issued shares.
Stubby jumbo,
I hope you demanded and recieved an apology from the keystone cops
BALert as you are a person of integrity and believe in adhering to company standards and procedures I expect you to ring downstairs to security and stand yourself down pending an official investigation for misuse of company time and equipment.You will be issued with a clause 11 and docked wages for time not spent on company work.I also expect you to forego staff travel for 12 months and give back all your company issued shares.
Stubby jumbo,
I hope you demanded and recieved an apology from the keystone cops
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Another load of crap from QF micro managers
My 2 cents worth.
The seat is empty and cannot be removed from the a/c so I will upgrade all crew and have since I got the gold / now red tie.
This little bit of humanity builds loyality at a time when it's being drained like sump oil.
We now have one of the most expensive staff travel programs in the world.
Recently did LHR/SYD/LHR on a competitor saving over $390.
Never had a problem with crew but once was asked by AP manager to upgrade 2 J class commercial pax's teenage kids.
Did so but had to pull them into line within an hour after take off, told the AP manager and her reply was she new them from school swimming.
Funny I thought they were high value customers when you brought them to the door!!!!
PP
The seat is empty and cannot be removed from the a/c so I will upgrade all crew and have since I got the gold / now red tie.
This little bit of humanity builds loyality at a time when it's being drained like sump oil.
We now have one of the most expensive staff travel programs in the world.
Recently did LHR/SYD/LHR on a competitor saving over $390.
Never had a problem with crew but once was asked by AP manager to upgrade 2 J class commercial pax's teenage kids.
Did so but had to pull them into line within an hour after take off, told the AP manager and her reply was she new them from school swimming.
Funny I thought they were high value customers when you brought them to the door!!!!
PP
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roamingwolf...you said "I reckon this basically is about some crew in s/h trying to pay us back for buying them out".
Are you kidding? Hate to burst your bubble mate but no one in SH actually talks about LH. Believe it or not we dont care about what is going on over there. And we certainly dont talk about the Qantas/Australian merger way back in the early '90's.
Apart from myself and maybe a couple of others, no one in SH is even aware of Pprune. Its just a whinging forum for a select group of QF LH crew. The comments of a select dozen of you hardly represents the thousands of LH crew.
You have no idea sunshine.
Are you kidding? Hate to burst your bubble mate but no one in SH actually talks about LH. Believe it or not we dont care about what is going on over there. And we certainly dont talk about the Qantas/Australian merger way back in the early '90's.
Apart from myself and maybe a couple of others, no one in SH is even aware of Pprune. Its just a whinging forum for a select group of QF LH crew. The comments of a select dozen of you hardly represents the thousands of LH crew.
You have no idea sunshine.
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Mate if you don't want us in l/h generalising then read my post again.
I said "SOME crew in s/h and office people who are jealous"
By that I thought it was obvious that it is only some that are still upset at the buyout.
And as far as bursting my bubble from the l/h crew who transfered to s/h tell me it can be hell from some of the old boilers especially if they even mention l/h in passing.
Have a cup of tea mate and a lie down and cool off sunshine
I said "SOME crew in s/h and office people who are jealous"
By that I thought it was obvious that it is only some that are still upset at the buyout.
And as far as bursting my bubble from the l/h crew who transfered to s/h tell me it can be hell from some of the old boilers especially if they even mention l/h in passing.
Have a cup of tea mate and a lie down and cool off sunshine
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Did David Williamson ever work as a Qantas L/H f/a??
Playwright David Williamson obviously is very familiar with the nature , style and tactics of Qantas Management.
In an article in the Oz last week entitled "Writer laments greedy managers' triumph" he said -'chief executives on 300 times the average wage are destroying their businesses and the lives of their staff. Once you're at the top, the last thing on your mind is the long -term survival of your firm and the care of its employees. the thing to do is slash and burn and get the share price up temporarily by cost-cutting measures made at considerable human cost, then getting the resulting bonuses you've built into your already huge package, before the firm you've gutted falls to pieces. By that time you'll have a golden handshake and be off to another corporate trough."
Williamson goes on to attack what he calls -'managerialism' ''the art of manipulating, cajoling, terrifying, and brainwashing employees to give their all for the company. this is done by the ubiquitous human resources departments which grow into huge mini empires within a firm, devoted to screwing the last ounce of productivity out of their employees."
He bags all the tests we have to do to prove we are "team players".
"Psychopaths are very good at appearing to be pleasant and witty team players. this probably explains why so many top level executives test high on sociopathic behaviour."
I reckon David has defined Qantas circa 2006 perfectly.
If you have him onboard - buy that playwright a beer!
In an article in the Oz last week entitled "Writer laments greedy managers' triumph" he said -'chief executives on 300 times the average wage are destroying their businesses and the lives of their staff. Once you're at the top, the last thing on your mind is the long -term survival of your firm and the care of its employees. the thing to do is slash and burn and get the share price up temporarily by cost-cutting measures made at considerable human cost, then getting the resulting bonuses you've built into your already huge package, before the firm you've gutted falls to pieces. By that time you'll have a golden handshake and be off to another corporate trough."
Williamson goes on to attack what he calls -'managerialism' ''the art of manipulating, cajoling, terrifying, and brainwashing employees to give their all for the company. this is done by the ubiquitous human resources departments which grow into huge mini empires within a firm, devoted to screwing the last ounce of productivity out of their employees."
He bags all the tests we have to do to prove we are "team players".
"Psychopaths are very good at appearing to be pleasant and witty team players. this probably explains why so many top level executives test high on sociopathic behaviour."
I reckon David has defined Qantas circa 2006 perfectly.
If you have him onboard - buy that playwright a beer!
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The Club
Well said David Williamson and thanks for posting the message Lurker. His remarks are spot on and I just wish more could see through the filth of corporate greed and the psychopaths involved in it. Maybe he could re-write his play on The Club and this time base it on these corporate nazis.
and thanks for posting the message Lurker. His remarks are spot on and I just wish more could see through the filth of corporate greed and the psychopaths involved in it. Maybe he could re-write his play on The Club and this time base it on these corporate nazis.
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Ok Let's have a game here to see what price you think the consortium will offer for a takeover..
I think it will be $5.60....anyone else care to have a guess.
I think it will be $5.60....anyone else care to have a guess.
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New Qantas Song
WE'VE BEEN TO CITIES WHERE LABOUR IS CHEAP
AND AUSTRALIAN JOBS YOUR QANTAS CANT KEEP
BUT WE REALISE MARKETING NEEDS US TO DRONE
THAT WE STILL CALL AUSTRALIA HOME
AUSTRALIANS KEEP TRAVELLING, THEY'RE HARD TO BEAT
BUT WE WANT THEM TO PUT ALL THEIR BUMS ON OUR SEATS
WHILE WE MAKE THEM REDUNDANT WE'LL CONTINUE TO BLEAT
THAT WE STILL CALL AUSTRALIA HOME
WE'VE DONE IT TO CABIN CREW THEY WERE THE FIRST
AND THE MAINTENANCE GUYS - WELL THEY WERE THE WORST
NOW THE GEEKS IN I T ARE ALL COPPING A BURST
IF THEY CALL AUSTRALIA HOME
(the soppy bit...)
ALL THOSE SONS AND DAUGHTERS FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS
ONTO THE DOLE QUEUES WE'VE HURLED
WE'VE TAUGHT THEM A LESSON, (IT'LL DO THEM GOOD)
THAT THEY'RE SCREWED IN THE GLOBAL WORLD
AND SOMEDAY WE'LL ALL BE TOGETHER ONCE MORE
WHEN THE QANTAS HEAD OFFICE IS IN BANGALORE
AND YOU'LL REALISE FINALLY WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN LYING
WHEN WE'LL STILL CALL AUSTRALIA...HOME
AND AUSTRALIAN JOBS YOUR QANTAS CANT KEEP
BUT WE REALISE MARKETING NEEDS US TO DRONE
THAT WE STILL CALL AUSTRALIA HOME
AUSTRALIANS KEEP TRAVELLING, THEY'RE HARD TO BEAT
BUT WE WANT THEM TO PUT ALL THEIR BUMS ON OUR SEATS
WHILE WE MAKE THEM REDUNDANT WE'LL CONTINUE TO BLEAT
THAT WE STILL CALL AUSTRALIA HOME
WE'VE DONE IT TO CABIN CREW THEY WERE THE FIRST
AND THE MAINTENANCE GUYS - WELL THEY WERE THE WORST
NOW THE GEEKS IN I T ARE ALL COPPING A BURST
IF THEY CALL AUSTRALIA HOME
(the soppy bit...)
ALL THOSE SONS AND DAUGHTERS FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS
ONTO THE DOLE QUEUES WE'VE HURLED
WE'VE TAUGHT THEM A LESSON, (IT'LL DO THEM GOOD)
THAT THEY'RE SCREWED IN THE GLOBAL WORLD
AND SOMEDAY WE'LL ALL BE TOGETHER ONCE MORE
WHEN THE QANTAS HEAD OFFICE IS IN BANGALORE
AND YOU'LL REALISE FINALLY WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN LYING
WHEN WE'LL STILL CALL AUSTRALIA...HOME
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I think your right ,they would never give their highest offer straight away.It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in a few board rooms at the moment.
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A stockbroker client of my business reckons Qantas management will play hardball and he says they are mad to accept anything less than $5.90 per share.
My own guess is in the range of $5.78-$5.85.whatever the price someone is sure to get shafted,probably employees,it wouldn't be GD or MJ would it!
My own guess is in the range of $5.78-$5.85.whatever the price someone is sure to get shafted,probably employees,it wouldn't be GD or MJ would it!
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somewhat complex conditions attached to the bid, including a breakfee which most likely is huge.
As the late renee rivkin used to say never move on the first bid. more to come. A$ 6.00 my guess, but what about the conditions?
As the late renee rivkin used to say never move on the first bid. more to come. A$ 6.00 my guess, but what about the conditions?
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Whatever happens with the takeover offer always remember what's important and that it is the destinations and it aint the money.
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