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Tightslot,
Thanks for your explanation .I was actually agreeing with Speedbirdhouse but I understand what you are saying.
On another note I know this is a rumour network but I think we have to be more careful when talking about or even referring to other cabin crew or anyone for that matter especially when this involves a criminal act.
I noticed that a few days ago there was a post from someone about a screw the roo campaign probably being associated with the blanket issue.
Today in the D & G section there is a post from someone who is saying cabin crew are involved in an active campaign of industrial sabotage called screw the roo.
To even infer that this was cabin crew or anyone else is very dangerous.If you have proof that it was anyone then you should go to the police but to suggest it was us or any group without proof is almost criminal because as we all know mud sticks and that can be damaging to anyone or any group.
I don't know about anyone else but I do care about cabin crew's reputation which also reflects on me and although it may turn out to be a cabin crew individual who is responsible I don't care to be labelled with this sort of aberrant behaviour.
Thanks for your explanation .I was actually agreeing with Speedbirdhouse but I understand what you are saying.
On another note I know this is a rumour network but I think we have to be more careful when talking about or even referring to other cabin crew or anyone for that matter especially when this involves a criminal act.
I noticed that a few days ago there was a post from someone about a screw the roo campaign probably being associated with the blanket issue.
Today in the D & G section there is a post from someone who is saying cabin crew are involved in an active campaign of industrial sabotage called screw the roo.
To even infer that this was cabin crew or anyone else is very dangerous.If you have proof that it was anyone then you should go to the police but to suggest it was us or any group without proof is almost criminal because as we all know mud sticks and that can be damaging to anyone or any group.
I don't know about anyone else but I do care about cabin crew's reputation which also reflects on me and although it may turn out to be a cabin crew individual who is responsible I don't care to be labelled with this sort of aberrant behaviour.
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We as a group are not carrying out sabotage
Yeah I have to go along with that.I don't want anyone to think I am some lunatic who vandalises property because I am cabin crew.To post here that is the case is crazy just because some crew are unhappy with the company and vocalise about it.
We also had the phrase TJF and that does not mean anything other than the Job is #$@*&$ and not that we are into industrial sabotage.I don't know what some here think they are posting but a lot of people read these posts so think twice or thrice in some cases about the effect of what you are saying before you post a claim like that.
Besides that there is a rumour that some S/H crew have recieved their VR but not all
We also had the phrase TJF and that does not mean anything other than the Job is #$@*&$ and not that we are into industrial sabotage.I don't know what some here think they are posting but a lot of people read these posts so think twice or thrice in some cases about the effect of what you are saying before you post a claim like that.
Besides that there is a rumour that some S/H crew have recieved their VR but not all
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Do you know how many guys and girls have taken the package ?
As you said that the VR only went down to 15 years then there are probably a lot of disapointed crew
I thought that S/H was short (no pun intended) of crew at present.I thought I had seen another post telling us that you guys were short of crew .
If that is true I wonder why the company wanted to offer it?
Do you know how many guys and girls have taken the package ?
As you said that the VR only went down to 15 years then there are probably a lot of disapointed crew
I thought that S/H was short (no pun intended) of crew at present.I thought I had seen another post telling us that you guys were short of crew .
If that is true I wonder why the company wanted to offer it?
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Mate i heard figures of 160 (all bases) but certainly dont quote on that.
Yeap, your spot on - we are VERY short - hence most weekends the Nou and AKL's go to LH.
The problem is that alot of the casuals on contract B dont make themselves available for weekend work (they dont get any extra $$) so every weekend they struggle.
In saying that, i have been drafted alot even on weekdays.
Why they offered it? Dunno, maybe a goodwill gesture (i use that term very loosely) before they totally fist us!
Yeap, your spot on - we are VERY short - hence most weekends the Nou and AKL's go to LH.
The problem is that alot of the casuals on contract B dont make themselves available for weekend work (they dont get any extra $$) so every weekend they struggle.
In saying that, i have been drafted alot even on weekdays.
Why they offered it? Dunno, maybe a goodwill gesture (i use that term very loosely) before they totally fist us!
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Movement :Global Seniority
After the completion of the LH VR my seniority remained unchanged for about 5 weeks then moved up about 50 slots .....since then nothing.
A mate in SH has been given VR but as yet is still flying.
Perhaps the exodus will be done in tranches?
A mate in SH has been given VR but as yet is still flying.
Perhaps the exodus will be done in tranches?
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Qantas lifts 2006/07 profit guidance
AdvertisementQantas Airways Ltd has lifted its 2006/07 profit guidance, and now expects its profit before tax for the year to be up to 30 per cent above last year's result.
"As a result of strong trading conditions and subject to fuel prices remaining around current levels, (Qantas) expects its reported profit before tax for 2006/07 to be 25 to 30 per cent above the 2005/06 result," the airline said in a statement.
Dear FAAA,
keep your doom&gloom scenario and get on with the job of getting a descent outcome next year (i mean you have time to do some proper research on issues).there appears to be no rush now as the qf,s position looks pretty rosy.
Air NZ is doing a health check on its pilots which stayed last month at the millenium hotel in london. there was a meeting at the hotel lobby with the now deceased russian ex kgb agent who died of uranium oxide.
"As a result of strong trading conditions and subject to fuel prices remaining around current levels, (Qantas) expects its reported profit before tax for 2006/07 to be 25 to 30 per cent above the 2005/06 result," the airline said in a statement.
Dear FAAA,
keep your doom&gloom scenario and get on with the job of getting a descent outcome next year (i mean you have time to do some proper research on issues).there appears to be no rush now as the qf,s position looks pretty rosy.
Air NZ is doing a health check on its pilots which stayed last month at the millenium hotel in london. there was a meeting at the hotel lobby with the now deceased russian ex kgb agent who died of uranium oxide.
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Qantas Tune
Just because things look a bit rosier for QF doesnt mean its management will change its attitude to its staff.
AWAs are still looking likely.
I would rather have the doom and gloom scenario and be surprised by a better outcome than have a rosy picture with a lousy outcome.
If the buyout happens...it will be slash and burn.
AWAs are still looking likely.
I would rather have the doom and gloom scenario and be surprised by a better outcome than have a rosy picture with a lousy outcome.
If the buyout happens...it will be slash and burn.
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qcc2 comments
qcc2 your comments clearly indicate that you just don't get it.
DEFCON4 was right in his comments. The fact that Qantas is going to increase its profits this coming year does not relieve the pressure on Long Haul.
The FAAA is completely correct in its assessment of the threatening situation confronting L/H.
Unless, the gap between L/H and S/H, Australian Airlines, Jetstar International, MAM casuals and overseas based crew is narrowed , we in L/H remain a very exposed and threatened species.
If Howard wins it will be a total bloodbath. Even if Labor wins, we still have the biggest problem still confronting us and it is that "gap" i referred to above.
Overlaid on all of this is the Macquarie bank takeover that really would spell disaster for L/H crew.
The FAAA is right to plan for the worst outcome. It's good they are planning industrial policy and strategy rather than qcc2.
DEFCON4 was right in his comments. The fact that Qantas is going to increase its profits this coming year does not relieve the pressure on Long Haul.
The FAAA is completely correct in its assessment of the threatening situation confronting L/H.
Unless, the gap between L/H and S/H, Australian Airlines, Jetstar International, MAM casuals and overseas based crew is narrowed , we in L/H remain a very exposed and threatened species.
If Howard wins it will be a total bloodbath. Even if Labor wins, we still have the biggest problem still confronting us and it is that "gap" i referred to above.
Overlaid on all of this is the Macquarie bank takeover that really would spell disaster for L/H crew.
The FAAA is right to plan for the worst outcome. It's good they are planning industrial policy and strategy rather than qcc2.
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QCC2 you seem obsessed with what other crew in other parts of the world are earning and how much profit the company is making.
The only thing the company considers when negotiating with us is who they can give our flying to to get the job done for less money.
No company in the world would stop trying to make more money by reducing costs, just because they have previously made a good profit.
The only other airlines that we can compare to when negotiating, are the ones that are being given our flying. eg S/H and AO and JQ
The only thing the company considers when negotiating with us is who they can give our flying to to get the job done for less money.
No company in the world would stop trying to make more money by reducing costs, just because they have previously made a good profit.
The only other airlines that we can compare to when negotiating, are the ones that are being given our flying. eg S/H and AO and JQ
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mam/qf same thing
whether there is a mam forum or not, i would belive that qf issues are mam issues, it affects all of us.
telling mam crew not to post here is just childish!
also sydney s/h i dont think u should blame mam crew for not working every weekend. Would you work weekends if you were not getting your bands? Me thinks not! Then again many crew that i still know are doing only weekends, they get the best flying.
telling mam crew not to post here is just childish!
also sydney s/h i dont think u should blame mam crew for not working every weekend. Would you work weekends if you were not getting your bands? Me thinks not! Then again many crew that i still know are doing only weekends, they get the best flying.
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The only problem with Eden99's post is that he has just told the company that we are going to cave in.
The only question the company does not know is how far but with nothing to barter with and the known stance of the FAAA they can guess?
So again and as usual the company is in the box seat because the company knows that we are willing to do that to keep our jobs.
I suppose though that is OK because it is the destinations that are important and not the money.
I reckon what qcc2 was trying to say is that with the increased profit forecast by the company is that a little PR on our part about the amount that the board is getting and with an increased profit not to mention the rally the other day about the IR laws and the upcoming Federal election is that we should be more aggressive and not just give in as Twiggs,Eden99 and Pegasus would have us do.
(Waiting now for accustomed,predictable and typical response from union officials and company plants)
The only question the company does not know is how far but with nothing to barter with and the known stance of the FAAA they can guess?
So again and as usual the company is in the box seat because the company knows that we are willing to do that to keep our jobs.
I suppose though that is OK because it is the destinations that are important and not the money.
I reckon what qcc2 was trying to say is that with the increased profit forecast by the company is that a little PR on our part about the amount that the board is getting and with an increased profit not to mention the rally the other day about the IR laws and the upcoming Federal election is that we should be more aggressive and not just give in as Twiggs,Eden99 and Pegasus would have us do.
(Waiting now for accustomed,predictable and typical response from union officials and company plants)
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Defcon,
I agree with you as you can see the attitude of some supposed crew here and what they post but to post (as EDEN99 has done) here on a public forum is not SMART at all.
Why not just send it or fax it to the company?
I agree with you as you can see the attitude of some supposed crew here and what they post but to post (as EDEN99 has done) here on a public forum is not SMART at all.
Why not just send it or fax it to the company?
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If that were the case then you [and who you represent 
] wouldnt feel the need to post here, now would you......?
Those who read the posts from L/H Cabin Crew might like to know of the attrocious results from the QF/Hewitt group engagement surveys.......
The worst results from ANY company in the Hewitt Group's history.
The results a legacy of the maltreatment, bullying, harrasment, hypocracy, lies and spin from those that run this once proud and happy place of work.
There is thread that discusses these issues on the D&G forum and contains the thoughts of others within the organisation.
A quick read will confirm that the feelings WE expree on this forum are NOT an oberration as our friend Twiggs suggests.....
Rather they are held company wide and are systematic of both a toxic place to work and a fundamentally sick organisation.
This company is being run [into the ground] for the benefit of the board and senior executives and as a 20 year employee is saddens me to watch what is happening around me.
] wouldnt feel the need to post here, now would you......?Those who read the posts from L/H Cabin Crew might like to know of the attrocious results from the QF/Hewitt group engagement surveys.......
The worst results from ANY company in the Hewitt Group's history.
The results a legacy of the maltreatment, bullying, harrasment, hypocracy, lies and spin from those that run this once proud and happy place of work.
There is thread that discusses these issues on the D&G forum and contains the thoughts of others within the organisation.
A quick read will confirm that the feelings WE expree on this forum are NOT an oberration as our friend Twiggs suggests.....
Rather they are held company wide and are systematic of both a toxic place to work and a fundamentally sick organisation.
This company is being run [into the ground] for the benefit of the board and senior executives and as a 20 year employee is saddens me to watch what is happening around me.
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facts are important
twiggs ,eden and the rest. iam not obsesssed with overseas salaries and conditions.however since AW and offsiders did their presentation and compared lh f/a's (only oz based crew) to our so called competitors we found a lot of holes in their presentation.
we, that is a number fo collegues& myself (incl. s/h guys)had/ have ongoing drinks (nothing a bottle of red or two couldn't fix) and discussed the meetings. accidently, we ended up going to most presentations individually at different places. the graphs the company showed are distorted and do not reflect a true picture. s/h is not cheaper then l/h.(as one of the guys told us when some one ask the companies rep at the meeting). thats one of the reasons research is so important in negotiations. and i really meant that MM has to get of his scare campaign. most collegues know what the politicial landscape is or maybe after the next election. twiggs i must disagree with your comments the only comparison we have to do is s/h,J* AO. my views expressed here are not just the of a minority, i would say i represent the view of many, which i share a glass of vino with, at whatever port.
we, that is a number fo collegues& myself (incl. s/h guys)had/ have ongoing drinks (nothing a bottle of red or two couldn't fix) and discussed the meetings. accidently, we ended up going to most presentations individually at different places. the graphs the company showed are distorted and do not reflect a true picture. s/h is not cheaper then l/h.(as one of the guys told us when some one ask the companies rep at the meeting). thats one of the reasons research is so important in negotiations. and i really meant that MM has to get of his scare campaign. most collegues know what the politicial landscape is or maybe after the next election. twiggs i must disagree with your comments the only comparison we have to do is s/h,J* AO. my views expressed here are not just the of a minority, i would say i represent the view of many, which i share a glass of vino with, at whatever port.
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Speedbirdhouse,
I represent myself, a QF L/H F/A.
I believe my views are more representative of the mainstream.
I never said that the airline is not disengaged.
What I have said is that the people here are too scared for the people who read this forum to know exactly what our pay and conditions are.
Is that because they know that our pay and conditions are superior to any one else in the industry and want to pretend that they are less than they actually are?
I represent myself, a QF L/H F/A.
I believe my views are more representative of the mainstream.
I never said that the airline is not disengaged.
What I have said is that the people here are too scared for the people who read this forum to know exactly what our pay and conditions are.
Is that because they know that our pay and conditions are superior to any one else in the industry and want to pretend that they are less than they actually are?
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Mainstream Representation?
Who was it who said"destinations are more important than money"?
Whoever it was, represents no one but themselves and is best characterised as someone who is way way out of touch with the mainstream.
Whoever it was, represents no one but themselves and is best characterised as someone who is way way out of touch with the mainstream.
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Anybody can claim to represent a silent majority - anybody can claim that somebody else doesn't. The great thing is that nobody can prove anything.
Try not to get provoked into one of these circular arguments - they are pointless.
Try not to get provoked into one of these circular arguments - they are pointless.
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A dog chasing it's tail
Tightslot is right and that is arguments with twiggs usually go around in circles as she contradicts herself at every opportunity just for the sake of an argument so it is, as usual an exercise in futility.
Just to prove my point here is the latest from Twiggs…
“Surfside6,
what I said was the job was about the destinations.
I never said they were more important or less important than money.”
And here is what she said previously that Surfside was referring to...
“I think everyone has lost sight of what this job is about, and it aint money.
It's about the destinations.”
So in her own words it…… AINT MONEY …..But today she claims she never said money was not important.
QED
Let’s just continue with our topic and basically that is what we can do to embarrass the company and negotiate a fair outcome with out emptying our bank account
Just to prove my point here is the latest from Twiggs…
“Surfside6,
what I said was the job was about the destinations.
I never said they were more important or less important than money.”
And here is what she said previously that Surfside was referring to...
“I think everyone has lost sight of what this job is about, and it aint money.
It's about the destinations.”
So in her own words it…… AINT MONEY …..But today she claims she never said money was not important.
QED
Let’s just continue with our topic and basically that is what we can do to embarrass the company and negotiate a fair outcome with out emptying our bank account