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galleyslag: could not agree more with u. C contract is the "NEW" way of employing full timers.... you were very right when u mention that we give "20 days of our lives" to QF. They ( Qantas + MAM ) just keep on getting better at screwing us big time !!! u know, from contract A to B and now C. God knows whats next..............
I've always worked shift work myself, so my lifestyke hasnt changed that much really, working weeeknds and all that stuff......
Have also heard online that crewing are blocking some of the trip patterns to QF CC ( not sure if this is true and correct ). I was on a 3 day trip ( good hours, long days ), and was questioned by a QF CC FT "how did u get this duty ? ". My asnwer was, its been on my line since last mth, and i went on explaining how the system works and all that.... i dont get to bid for duties, i get what i am given..... She than said that her bidding buddy ( quite a senior cc ) did not get that duty and she thought it was quite strange that I ( a casual ) got that trip... Unfortunatelly I dont have the answer to that .
QF skywalker: sorry but where did u get $700 after tax a fortnight? if i was earning only that i wouldnt be here. when i mentioned " where is the work for all of us? " i meant that as a C contractor, if i dont get enough work via MAM/Qantas I dont have the chance or the opportunity to get a second job, unlike the B contractors. having said all that, so far, despite the fact that i am employed as a casual, and despite all the politics, i still consider my job a good job.
happy flying to all of you!!!
I've always worked shift work myself, so my lifestyke hasnt changed that much really, working weeeknds and all that stuff......
Have also heard online that crewing are blocking some of the trip patterns to QF CC ( not sure if this is true and correct ). I was on a 3 day trip ( good hours, long days ), and was questioned by a QF CC FT "how did u get this duty ? ". My asnwer was, its been on my line since last mth, and i went on explaining how the system works and all that.... i dont get to bid for duties, i get what i am given..... She than said that her bidding buddy ( quite a senior cc ) did not get that duty and she thought it was quite strange that I ( a casual ) got that trip... Unfortunatelly I dont have the answer to that .
QF skywalker: sorry but where did u get $700 after tax a fortnight? if i was earning only that i wouldnt be here. when i mentioned " where is the work for all of us? " i meant that as a C contractor, if i dont get enough work via MAM/Qantas I dont have the chance or the opportunity to get a second job, unlike the B contractors. having said all that, so far, despite the fact that i am employed as a casual, and despite all the politics, i still consider my job a good job.
happy flying to all of you!!!
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wa.man: i also hear out online that a lot of casuals are leaving, not sure how many.
apparently out of sydney a lot more than any other base... i know of a few out of my base that have resigned. all C contractors though.
a manager told me that just before the uni semester started a LOT of new FA's resigned because they all went back to uni, and most of them were hired as language speakers....
apparently out of sydney a lot more than any other base... i know of a few out of my base that have resigned. all C contractors though.
a manager told me that just before the uni semester started a LOT of new FA's resigned because they all went back to uni, and most of them were hired as language speakers....
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Hey guys
I'm interested in joining cabin crew in the brisbane base for QF. I didn't realise until tonight (after reading some of the messages here) that mam does recruitment for casuals. This is ideal for me.
The aviation industry is new to me so i was wondering whether i'd be better off applying through the QF recruitment site for positions or the mam site. What kind of routes are operated through mam and qf by brisbane crew? i speak mandarin.
thanks!
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I'm interested in joining cabin crew in the brisbane base for QF. I didn't realise until tonight (after reading some of the messages here) that mam does recruitment for casuals. This is ideal for me.
The aviation industry is new to me so i was wondering whether i'd be better off applying through the QF recruitment site for positions or the mam site. What kind of routes are operated through mam and qf by brisbane crew? i speak mandarin.
thanks!
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welcome john chen. hope I can help u out with ur questions.
First of all, forget all together about applying for positions via the QF site. QF hasnt recruited full time positions for a looooooooooooooooooong time and chances are they never will again.
If u want to fly QF the only way to work is to apply via the MAM site, and sorry to disappoint u again... but if u ever hear that the way to get a FT position with QF is via MAM, forget it again, chances are of 1 in a 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000 of that ever happening.
If u get a job with MAM, u will sign a contract known as the "C contract", u have to be available 20 days and the company gives u back 20 duty days ( its their new way of employing "full time" but under a casual agreement, u know, much cheaper work force, bla bla bla, wont bother u with that now !!!! ). sure if u get the job u will hear plenty of that out online. Under the "C contract" u can only nomminate 3 consecutive days off per mth, the other days off will be spread throught the mth ramdomly. the "C contract" doesnt give u much flexibility really.... im a C contractor and have always been used to shift work, so i guess, it hasnt so far disrupted my lifestyle too much. some newies are strugling though, but hey. if u want the job, thats the only way to go.
It shouldnt be too hard for u to get the job as a language speaker, mandarim is one the required languages for QF, and, if u operate on a flight as a language speaker, u get paid an additional allowance. its only AUD$ 50 per flight, per sector ( i think, as im not a language speaker dont quote me on that ). but u know. whatever aditional money that comes along is a bonus.
out of the Brisbane base expect to fly to hong kong and singapore a bit. and as a language speaker u will probably operate flights out of sydney to shanghai and beijing. also will u operate domestic patterns, a bit of single day duties + 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 day trips.
If u need any more help fell free to ask. am happy to help as much as i can.
Good luck and although all the politcis that comes with the job and the industry Im having a ball!!!
First of all, forget all together about applying for positions via the QF site. QF hasnt recruited full time positions for a looooooooooooooooooong time and chances are they never will again.
If u want to fly QF the only way to work is to apply via the MAM site, and sorry to disappoint u again... but if u ever hear that the way to get a FT position with QF is via MAM, forget it again, chances are of 1 in a 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000 of that ever happening.
If u get a job with MAM, u will sign a contract known as the "C contract", u have to be available 20 days and the company gives u back 20 duty days ( its their new way of employing "full time" but under a casual agreement, u know, much cheaper work force, bla bla bla, wont bother u with that now !!!! ). sure if u get the job u will hear plenty of that out online. Under the "C contract" u can only nomminate 3 consecutive days off per mth, the other days off will be spread throught the mth ramdomly. the "C contract" doesnt give u much flexibility really.... im a C contractor and have always been used to shift work, so i guess, it hasnt so far disrupted my lifestyle too much. some newies are strugling though, but hey. if u want the job, thats the only way to go.
It shouldnt be too hard for u to get the job as a language speaker, mandarim is one the required languages for QF, and, if u operate on a flight as a language speaker, u get paid an additional allowance. its only AUD$ 50 per flight, per sector ( i think, as im not a language speaker dont quote me on that ). but u know. whatever aditional money that comes along is a bonus.
out of the Brisbane base expect to fly to hong kong and singapore a bit. and as a language speaker u will probably operate flights out of sydney to shanghai and beijing. also will u operate domestic patterns, a bit of single day duties + 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 day trips.
If u need any more help fell free to ask. am happy to help as much as i can.
Good luck and although all the politcis that comes with the job and the industry Im having a ball!!!
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Thanks Bla_bla!!
I really appreciate the stuff you said. To be absolutely honest I'm not interested in full time employment at all (I'm currently studying) and have only ever been used to casual rostered work. I'm so glad you told me not to bother with the QF site because originally I planned just to have an application there. I'm so glad I read some thread on here saying they employ by MAM as well.
Basically I'm just looking to work as an FA for a little while before leaving and getting a full-time job related to my uni degree. Basically like a break from study before going into another job. Is there a length for how long your contract is with QF if hired?
How long have you been with QF? What routes do you get to fly?
If they really allow BNE based attendants to go to HKG and SIN that'd be awesome!! exactly the type I"m looking for. I assumed short haul meant domestic only.
Lastly do you know how often they look for FAs through MAM or is it dependent on availability?
Thanks!!
John
I really appreciate the stuff you said. To be absolutely honest I'm not interested in full time employment at all (I'm currently studying) and have only ever been used to casual rostered work. I'm so glad you told me not to bother with the QF site because originally I planned just to have an application there. I'm so glad I read some thread on here saying they employ by MAM as well.
Basically I'm just looking to work as an FA for a little while before leaving and getting a full-time job related to my uni degree. Basically like a break from study before going into another job. Is there a length for how long your contract is with QF if hired?
How long have you been with QF? What routes do you get to fly?
If they really allow BNE based attendants to go to HKG and SIN that'd be awesome!! exactly the type I"m looking for. I assumed short haul meant domestic only.
Lastly do you know how often they look for FAs through MAM or is it dependent on availability?
Thanks!!
John
johnchen...
i just left bne base. wasnt there too long, but generally:
I made myself available 25 days a month
I would usually get rostered between 130 and 140hours.
I would usually finish the month between 140 and 160 hours.
Even in the traditionally quiet months, this was no problem.
I would tend to get 2-4 regional trips per month, as a non-language speaker, and usually 1 trip to nz a month.
The rest of the roster was usually perth or darwin or cairns overnights. I'd usually only get one or two day trips (usually isa, syd, or mel rtn).
A couple of the rosters, i did not have a single day trip.
Others i know work it their own way with trip swaps - and manage to mainly do day trips.
Take home pay per fortnight. I did not take home less than $1900, the most was $3000 in the fortnight. Usually arournd $2300-$2500.
I sold a fair bit of duty free, (every trip hehe), so the commission boosted my pay about $200 a month... managed to get in the top sellers for the quarter too, so got a nice $800 bonus just before i left.
i just left bne base. wasnt there too long, but generally:
I made myself available 25 days a month
I would usually get rostered between 130 and 140hours.
I would usually finish the month between 140 and 160 hours.
Even in the traditionally quiet months, this was no problem.
I would tend to get 2-4 regional trips per month, as a non-language speaker, and usually 1 trip to nz a month.
The rest of the roster was usually perth or darwin or cairns overnights. I'd usually only get one or two day trips (usually isa, syd, or mel rtn).
A couple of the rosters, i did not have a single day trip.
Others i know work it their own way with trip swaps - and manage to mainly do day trips.
Take home pay per fortnight. I did not take home less than $1900, the most was $3000 in the fortnight. Usually arournd $2300-$2500.
I sold a fair bit of duty free, (every trip hehe), so the commission boosted my pay about $200 a month... managed to get in the top sellers for the quarter too, so got a nice $800 bonus just before i left.
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johnchen,
to be very honest with u, if u are planning on working with MAM and still study at uni, I think it would be virtually impossible to combine both.
But, if u are thinking of taking some time off uni and do the job, thats a different story.
Unfortunatelly, as explained in my previous thread, the C contract isnt very flexible AT ALL . I couldnt really imagine myself doing anything else atm . again, as i said, u can only request 3 consecutive days off per mth .
as im not from nrisane base, the threadr written by OZANGEL gives u a better insite.
good luck !!!
to be very honest with u, if u are planning on working with MAM and still study at uni, I think it would be virtually impossible to combine both.
But, if u are thinking of taking some time off uni and do the job, thats a different story.
Unfortunatelly, as explained in my previous thread, the C contract isnt very flexible AT ALL . I couldnt really imagine myself doing anything else atm . again, as i said, u can only request 3 consecutive days off per mth .
as im not from nrisane base, the threadr written by OZANGEL gives u a better insite.
good luck !!!
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Hey guys.. thanks heaps
Ozangel: Cool! how long did you stay with QF all up? Was it difficult to get past the recruitment stage or had you tried a few times before getting in? Also, which was more tiring, the day runs or the longer flights?
Bla_bla: Yeah I figured from what you said previously the contract is not very flexible, so if I did get the opportunity to fly, I'd defer my uni. I wouldn't miss this type of opportunity for the world! Is there a minimum/maximum amount of time you can stay?
Also, should i bother getting the first aid and resp. service of alcohol? Or should i wait to see if i make it past stage one.
John
Ozangel: Cool! how long did you stay with QF all up? Was it difficult to get past the recruitment stage or had you tried a few times before getting in? Also, which was more tiring, the day runs or the longer flights?
Bla_bla: Yeah I figured from what you said previously the contract is not very flexible, so if I did get the opportunity to fly, I'd defer my uni. I wouldn't miss this type of opportunity for the world! Is there a minimum/maximum amount of time you can stay?
Also, should i bother getting the first aid and resp. service of alcohol? Or should i wait to see if i make it past stage one.
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requirements
I did actually read them, but on the MAM website it says you might not need all documents for the recruitment process. It says something about they will tell you when you need to get them. As an example they gave "Senior First Aid Certificate" as something you might not have for the selection process. So I'm just not sure whether they expect you to or not
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sorry dude, but as flitegirl quoted :
" read the application requirements for Qantas again ".
Honestly i would not even bother applying without having my senior aid certificate and RSA.
And in regards to the length of ur commitment to the company, the contract doesnt have an expire date, nor a minimum ammount of mths that u have to work for the company. Its up to u, if u made through the training, u can work for 1 mth or stick around for ever.......... ( like almost everybody else ), hoping that a miracle will happen!!!
Good luck!!!
PS: now go and get ur certificates, cause if u decide to apply for another airline in australia, those requirements also apply.
" read the application requirements for Qantas again ".
Honestly i would not even bother applying without having my senior aid certificate and RSA.
And in regards to the length of ur commitment to the company, the contract doesnt have an expire date, nor a minimum ammount of mths that u have to work for the company. Its up to u, if u made through the training, u can work for 1 mth or stick around for ever.......... ( like almost everybody else ), hoping that a miracle will happen!!!
Good luck!!!
PS: now go and get ur certificates, cause if u decide to apply for another airline in australia, those requirements also apply.
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anyone know if there will be another mam intake for brisbane anytime this year?? just found out about mam recently and am trying to get my first aid certificate and rsa certificate sorted in time.
will they automatically overlook an application that (at the moment) has no for both requirements?
Also, I speak mandarin natively (english is more fluent though) so don't have a language certificate. Is this a problem?
john
will they automatically overlook an application that (at the moment) has no for both requirements?
Also, I speak mandarin natively (english is more fluent though) so don't have a language certificate. Is this a problem?
john
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i also know a few who did. i think it depends on what you want out of life/job security/satisfaction.
ppl i know who are there enjoy it.. but its uncertain. everyone i know who has come to JQ from there.. prefer JQ.
you are young and single.. go for it if you want more out of flying.. you wouldnt be the first to leave so soon after beginning.. thats for sure!
ppl i know who are there enjoy it.. but its uncertain. everyone i know who has come to JQ from there.. prefer JQ.
you are young and single.. go for it if you want more out of flying.. you wouldnt be the first to leave so soon after beginning.. thats for sure!
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"expression Of Interest For Ft Positions For Mam Casuals With Qf"
what r ur thoughts on that ?
has anyone heard any goss ? does anyone believe that it will happen ?
when ? IF .
I heard online from a SYD CSM that they will be offering 42 positions out of PER ?
Lets get the ball rolling...
has anyone heard any goss ? does anyone believe that it will happen ?
when ? IF .
I heard online from a SYD CSM that they will be offering 42 positions out of PER ?
Lets get the ball rolling...
latest galley goss is that they are about to offer VR to to Short Haul Crew, so I can't imagine there would be any full time positions available. If there is, they will have to action internal transfer lists before taking externals.....well that's what one would expect
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I have not heard any rumours about 42 F/T positions. Far from it with the VR announcement. And if there were to be new F/T positions allocated there are many people in Eastern, Sunstate and Jetstar who are far more deserving of an internal transfer as they have been employed considerably longer than our MAM colleagues and have worked harder for longer in the QF group to have the right to progress to mainline.
Not saying MAM casuals don't work hard, but as flitegirl said I would hope they would action the progression scheme first.
Not saying MAM casuals don't work hard, but as flitegirl said I would hope they would action the progression scheme first.
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flitegirl and QF skywalker,
thanks for the reply. Your comments certainly makes a lot of sense, since those FA's have already been working for the Qantas Group. And MAM isnt part of it.
Having said that, I flew the other day with a melb CSM ( which happens to be a union rep ) and was told that when comes to career progression it also includes MAM casuals as part of the career progression scheme. Any comments on that ? I will try to find it out in the EBA.
QF skywalker:in re to your comment "... there are many people in Eastern, Sunstate and Jetstar who are far more deserving of an internal transfer as they have been employed considerably longer than our MAM colleagues and have worked harder for longer in the QF group to have the right to progress to mainline....";
there are MAM casuals that have been on the job for 4 + years and JQD started its operations in MAY 2004 ( less than 3 years ).
thanks for the reply. Your comments certainly makes a lot of sense, since those FA's have already been working for the Qantas Group. And MAM isnt part of it.
Having said that, I flew the other day with a melb CSM ( which happens to be a union rep ) and was told that when comes to career progression it also includes MAM casuals as part of the career progression scheme. Any comments on that ? I will try to find it out in the EBA.
QF skywalker:in re to your comment "... there are many people in Eastern, Sunstate and Jetstar who are far more deserving of an internal transfer as they have been employed considerably longer than our MAM colleagues and have worked harder for longer in the QF group to have the right to progress to mainline....";
there are MAM casuals that have been on the job for 4 + years and JQD started its operations in MAY 2004 ( less than 3 years ).
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QantasLink-Impulse is the airline who formed JQ. Therefore there are many crew still on the progression list who were with QantasLink-Impulse and now Jetstar waiting for transfer. This takes their years of service way above any MAM employee.
So back to my original comment of the longer serving crew with the QF group deserving progression first.
Cheers
So back to my original comment of the longer serving crew with the QF group deserving progression first.
Cheers