Jetstar - Wannabes & Recruitment II
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G'day Miss Hostie,
Thank you very much for the info. I'm really hoping I get the phone call soon.
I think I will take your advice and have a few weeks off from work before GS.
I just have to stay positive and wait....
Thanks
Thestarcrew
Thank you very much for the info. I'm really hoping I get the phone call soon.
I think I will take your advice and have a few weeks off from work before GS.
I just have to stay positive and wait....
Thanks
Thestarcrew
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i have no idea what the timetables are or what they have planned - i just fly.
although Miss Hosties comments are true - GS is full on.. dont quit your job right now without knowing when GS will start.. you could be waiting a while and its prob not the best move.
although Miss Hosties comments are true - GS is full on.. dont quit your job right now without knowing when GS will start.. you could be waiting a while and its prob not the best move.
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Hi all,
(Team) Jetstar is currently recruiting for SYD Based LH CSM's - can anyone out there (ideally a SYD based LH CSM) give details of take home pay, hours worked & what a roster would normally look like?
Happy to get the info by a PM if you'd prefer not to post it publically.
Thanks heaps!!
(Team) Jetstar is currently recruiting for SYD Based LH CSM's - can anyone out there (ideally a SYD based LH CSM) give details of take home pay, hours worked & what a roster would normally look like?
Happy to get the info by a PM if you'd prefer not to post it publically.
Thanks heaps!!
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CC and CM - recruiting for Darwin Base
Hi all,
FYI
In todays Northern Territory News, there is an ad seeking applicants for the new impending DRW base. According to the ad, you can select DRW as your preference now on their recruitment page. Applications close 7 March 2008.
Guess it'll be a mix of domestic and international flying from here.
FYI
In todays Northern Territory News, there is an ad seeking applicants for the new impending DRW base. According to the ad, you can select DRW as your preference now on their recruitment page. Applications close 7 March 2008.
Guess it'll be a mix of domestic and international flying from here.
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About conditions
I've been reading this thread and the fear mongering regarding conditions with Jetstar. Yes I agree work conditions are absolutely important and should be protected if they are in danger. But if you want to know the meaning of hard work for no reward go and work hospitality in a resort town in Australia for 6 months. You'll be treated to...
Exorbitantly high rent
50-60hr weeks, every week without exception
Shifts that start as early as 3am and finish as late as 1am, averaging about 13hrs a day with one 30 min break
One day a week off if you are lucky
No life whatsoever because every spare minute you have you are sleeping
No benefits at all because you are casual (not even a meal on a long shift) and can easily be replaced by the next backpacker that walks in the door
A flat hourly rate of $15-20, giving you a princely income of less than $700 a week for your effort. That's the premium price for locals BTW...travellers get less
The inability to enjoy any of the pluses of the place you live in because you have to work to accomodate the tourists
Being on your feet every minute of your shift and taking your break next to the dumpster in an alleyway
Now please go back and read the Jetstar contract again, it's not as bad as you think.
Exorbitantly high rent
50-60hr weeks, every week without exception
Shifts that start as early as 3am and finish as late as 1am, averaging about 13hrs a day with one 30 min break
One day a week off if you are lucky
No life whatsoever because every spare minute you have you are sleeping
No benefits at all because you are casual (not even a meal on a long shift) and can easily be replaced by the next backpacker that walks in the door
A flat hourly rate of $15-20, giving you a princely income of less than $700 a week for your effort. That's the premium price for locals BTW...travellers get less
The inability to enjoy any of the pluses of the place you live in because you have to work to accomodate the tourists
Being on your feet every minute of your shift and taking your break next to the dumpster in an alleyway
Now please go back and read the Jetstar contract again, it's not as bad as you think.
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AirborneSoon,
Why is it that you think simply comparing the JQ T's & C's to the example you give is appropriate? You say that you agree that work conditions should be protected if they are in danger! Well with Team Jetstar accepting their pathetic contract it is fair to assume that EBA crew may well think of theirs as in danger!
And, what if we compared the JQ T's & C's with that of a Qantas CSM that's been flying for 25 years, would make ours look even worse. My point is, you can compare the job with others that are worse and others that are better, but the reality is we should be fighting for more pay and better conditions. Not just accepting what is offered because there are 'worse' jobs out there!!
Why is it that you think simply comparing the JQ T's & C's to the example you give is appropriate? You say that you agree that work conditions should be protected if they are in danger! Well with Team Jetstar accepting their pathetic contract it is fair to assume that EBA crew may well think of theirs as in danger!
And, what if we compared the JQ T's & C's with that of a Qantas CSM that's been flying for 25 years, would make ours look even worse. My point is, you can compare the job with others that are worse and others that are better, but the reality is we should be fighting for more pay and better conditions. Not just accepting what is offered because there are 'worse' jobs out there!!
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Be aware guys that the QF group are not adverse to using this site to push their own industrial angle.
People posting [especially new ones] may not be who they would like you to think they are.......
People posting [especially new ones] may not be who they would like you to think they are.......
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Attended a Jetstar Assessment day
Attended an assessment day. The session had very few applicants, about half as many as their were seats in the room. Almost none of them were local and had flown interstate for the day. I hope they went better than me because it cost them all a fortune to be there.
The presentation on Jetstar was about 2 mins long and contained no useful information about the position or the company. All they told us was that no matter which division you apply for (short or long haul) you'll probably have to work both. No mention of pay or conditions etc....I really wonder why Australian businesses decide to only let you know what you are applying for after they offer you the job. It seems a ridiculous practice. The good news for wannabees is that they will probably be recruiting constantly until 2010 with their ambitious fleet orders. So if you want it, there will be plenty of opportunities to do so.
They basically said they were desperate for staff and hoped we would all be called back. No call by a certain time that day, you can assume they don't want you. So I'm disappointed I didn't get a call back. I did my research, turned out in a business suit, appropriate hair, makeup the lot. I can now look forward to the next round of Qantas and VB recruitment I suppose.
Met a guy today who had already had 6 airline knockbacks so it helps me to take this one on the chin.
The presentation on Jetstar was about 2 mins long and contained no useful information about the position or the company. All they told us was that no matter which division you apply for (short or long haul) you'll probably have to work both. No mention of pay or conditions etc....I really wonder why Australian businesses decide to only let you know what you are applying for after they offer you the job. It seems a ridiculous practice. The good news for wannabees is that they will probably be recruiting constantly until 2010 with their ambitious fleet orders. So if you want it, there will be plenty of opportunities to do so.
They basically said they were desperate for staff and hoped we would all be called back. No call by a certain time that day, you can assume they don't want you. So I'm disappointed I didn't get a call back. I did my research, turned out in a business suit, appropriate hair, makeup the lot. I can now look forward to the next round of Qantas and VB recruitment I suppose.
Met a guy today who had already had 6 airline knockbacks so it helps me to take this one on the chin.
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Hey AirborneSoon, sorry to hear you didn't get a callback.
What you say sums up Jetstar though!!
Desperate for staff yes. Still prepared to undervalue and screw existing staff, yes!! Go figure!
What you say sums up Jetstar though!!
Desperate for staff yes. Still prepared to undervalue and screw existing staff, yes!! Go figure!
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I've also worked for an employer that decided high staff turnover and constant recruitment was a viable business strategy. It's not the best of working conditions and I really wonder how the profit can justify the training and recruitment costs alone. Oh well...it's just the way some businesses work these days.
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I went to the jetstar recruiment day last week in sydney, i got through to the afternoon tea and final face to face interview, i believed i had gone well all day and completed the exam in time, spoke to may people and was generally just myself.
Having had almost 2 years international flyin experience in the middle east, i was asked in the final interview would i be open to taking on a position as CSM instead of cabin crew which i had apllied for initially. The interviewer spoke to myslef about pay and need for crew with international experience such as mine and asked me q's on how i would cope with being younger than some crew and being in a higher position...
from the interview which went on for sometime and positive feedback received I thought I would definately progress to the next stage, but to my shock I was emailed the following day as "unsuccessful" ..what is it that the want, having had unique opportunities offered t myslef in the middle east, i feel stupid for leaving and upset I can not get a job in my own country!
just thought i'd share my experience...
Having had almost 2 years international flyin experience in the middle east, i was asked in the final interview would i be open to taking on a position as CSM instead of cabin crew which i had apllied for initially. The interviewer spoke to myslef about pay and need for crew with international experience such as mine and asked me q's on how i would cope with being younger than some crew and being in a higher position...
from the interview which went on for sometime and positive feedback received I thought I would definately progress to the next stage, but to my shock I was emailed the following day as "unsuccessful" ..what is it that the want, having had unique opportunities offered t myslef in the middle east, i feel stupid for leaving and upset I can not get a job in my own country!
just thought i'd share my experience...
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Hey Everyone,
I was just wondering if anyone could help me with a few things? I just applied for domestic & long haul for CNS base. It doesn't close until March 24th but I know that they are already have recruitment days. Does this mean that they already have filled up their days before the applications close or that they will have more after they close?
Also what types of group activities should I expect to do if I do get an interview... hopefully
I was just wondering if anyone could help me with a few things? I just applied for domestic & long haul for CNS base. It doesn't close until March 24th but I know that they are already have recruitment days. Does this mean that they already have filled up their days before the applications close or that they will have more after they close?
Also what types of group activities should I expect to do if I do get an interview... hopefully
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I expect if apps are still open they will probably hold more assessment days and if need be put successfuls on active hold. It's a very simple process without much opportunity for you to get any more info on the job unfortunately. The assessment is supposed to be 3.5hrs but mine went for about 2. Probably due to the low number of people attending.
You are asked 4 Q's in one on one interview
Customer service exp and how it relates to JQ
Problem customer
No supervisor situation
Multitasking
I don't mind posting these Qs on here since I doubt it really gives anyone an advantage anyway. You either tell them what they want to hear or you don't.
Then you play a couple of games. One is making some shapes out of smaller shapes. A debate and give us some info on these JQ destinations.
We got measured for height, which is a new one because I hadn't seen that mentioned before. I was under desirable height and got eliminated. Can't say whether it was because of my height or not. Only 3cm under btw. On my day they decided to do callbacks that day and do finals that afternoon.
Can't tell you who got through because I wasn't there. Would have been interesting to see though. Try and get a pic of what kind of candidates they are looking for. Good luck.
You are asked 4 Q's in one on one interview
Customer service exp and how it relates to JQ
Problem customer
No supervisor situation
Multitasking
I don't mind posting these Qs on here since I doubt it really gives anyone an advantage anyway. You either tell them what they want to hear or you don't.
Then you play a couple of games. One is making some shapes out of smaller shapes. A debate and give us some info on these JQ destinations.
We got measured for height, which is a new one because I hadn't seen that mentioned before. I was under desirable height and got eliminated. Can't say whether it was because of my height or not. Only 3cm under btw. On my day they decided to do callbacks that day and do finals that afternoon.
Can't tell you who got through because I wasn't there. Would have been interesting to see though. Try and get a pic of what kind of candidates they are looking for. Good luck.
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I wouldn't feel too bad. As has been suggested perhaps you are too experienced for them and they fear you will not easily settle into their LLC conditions. It's just as easy to be eliminated for being "too good" as for being below standards. Try an airline with higher standards and you may get further.
I learned this lesson with hospitality. I couldn't get a job until I stopped dressing nicely and instead turned up for job interviews in jeans and a casual shirt with my hair down. No I didn't go like this to my assessment day btw. But it does prove a point. Maybe you just didn't look budget enough for them...?
I wouldn't feel too bad. As has been suggested perhaps you are too experienced for them and they fear you will not easily settle into their LLC conditions. It's just as easy to be eliminated for being "too good" as for being below standards. Try an airline with higher standards and you may get further.
I learned this lesson with hospitality. I couldn't get a job until I stopped dressing nicely and instead turned up for job interviews in jeans and a casual shirt with my hair down. No I didn't go like this to my assessment day btw. But it does prove a point. Maybe you just didn't look budget enough for them...?
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I know that JQI are very short on experienced crew to fill CSM positions and I can't believe they did not accept you. Pay is not too bad for CSMs and they really need people with International experience. There are some very young CSMs flying with JQI at present so I don't think age is an issue. As such, I am at a loss as to why they didn't hire you. Maybe bigger and better things are in store for you! Please apply to V Australia as they are currently recruiting and are looking for crew with International flying experience. Applications close at the end of the week. Good luck!!
I know that JQI are very short on experienced crew to fill CSM positions and I can't believe they did not accept you. Pay is not too bad for CSMs and they really need people with International experience. There are some very young CSMs flying with JQI at present so I don't think age is an issue. As such, I am at a loss as to why they didn't hire you. Maybe bigger and better things are in store for you! Please apply to V Australia as they are currently recruiting and are looking for crew with International flying experience. Applications close at the end of the week. Good luck!!
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Ditto on V Australia as they are actually holding assessment days in Dubai (check their application it has a Dubai option) so surely your experience will be appreciated by them.
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arrrgh! JQ Management WHAT are you doing? it drives me INSANE that they knock back experienced crew who have previous customer service experience in favour of those who have just come out of school. It has been proven time and time again that the young ones that are any good are few and far between - so many of them are lazy, wingey, unprofessional and 'know it all' as soon as they leave ground school and are checked to line. So many of them are proven incompetent once checked to line - some dont even pass their inital check! One commented in sydney a few months ago when asked to arm doors "we wern't taught to arm our doors, i dont know what that means" i mean - how do people like this get through interviews and ground school in a dazy hazy butterfly state? HOW?
There are some crew getting through that are older, which is fantastic as its really noticeable and they are instantly 'part of the team' - they fit in nicely and do their job perfectly and dont need to be kicked off the jumpseat to get out into the cabin. My peice of advice for anyone who has experience flying and has been knocked back for whatever reason - ring and email them again, explain that you are thinking that there must be a mistake and can they double check that you have definatly been eliminated as you are really really keen for this job. sell them some heart wrenching story - who knows, perhaps it will work and like others have said, the chances of them NOT accepting those with prior experience i think is purely because they are worried that they will see the conditions/flying and say 'at ansett...' (example by the way)
i just want to go to work each day and work with lovely crew who know their positional duties and give great customer service. i dont want to go to work and meet new crew fresh out of line training complaining about their roster and finding it annoying that they have to stop reading the new idea to take the time to arm their door (who complain that their school days wernt as long as flying hours etc and how tired they are etc etc and how dare that woman ask for another glass of water, i mean, helloo? i am busy talking here!)
(end of rant - thanks for your attention!)
There are some crew getting through that are older, which is fantastic as its really noticeable and they are instantly 'part of the team' - they fit in nicely and do their job perfectly and dont need to be kicked off the jumpseat to get out into the cabin. My peice of advice for anyone who has experience flying and has been knocked back for whatever reason - ring and email them again, explain that you are thinking that there must be a mistake and can they double check that you have definatly been eliminated as you are really really keen for this job. sell them some heart wrenching story - who knows, perhaps it will work and like others have said, the chances of them NOT accepting those with prior experience i think is purely because they are worried that they will see the conditions/flying and say 'at ansett...' (example by the way)
i just want to go to work each day and work with lovely crew who know their positional duties and give great customer service. i dont want to go to work and meet new crew fresh out of line training complaining about their roster and finding it annoying that they have to stop reading the new idea to take the time to arm their door (who complain that their school days wernt as long as flying hours etc and how tired they are etc etc and how dare that woman ask for another glass of water, i mean, helloo? i am busy talking here!)
(end of rant - thanks for your attention!)
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Shesgreatinthegalley,
Now I am really bummed I was rejected because you sound like my kind of person. I have 10yrs face to face customer service in very demanding roles, a great attitude and proven experience working difficult rosters and long hours. I am still at a loss why I didn't get through...
Alright I don't have FA exp but the technical aspects can be learned. I've got a lot of skills I could bring over. I just want to work with a great team who are dedicated to their job.
I don't know who did get through but I do know there were only a handful of us with any real world experience, the rest were fresh out of uni or aviation prep school. I really hope some of the other mature applicants got through.
I'm just looking forward to the next round of recruitment at other airlines.
Now I am really bummed I was rejected because you sound like my kind of person. I have 10yrs face to face customer service in very demanding roles, a great attitude and proven experience working difficult rosters and long hours. I am still at a loss why I didn't get through...
Alright I don't have FA exp but the technical aspects can be learned. I've got a lot of skills I could bring over. I just want to work with a great team who are dedicated to their job. I don't know who did get through but I do know there were only a handful of us with any real world experience, the rest were fresh out of uni or aviation prep school. I really hope some of the other mature applicants got through.
I'm just looking forward to the next round of recruitment at other airlines.