NetJets recruitment 2022
 

Posted today on NJE and Kura LinkedIn...August 16 is the start of new round of pilot recruitment....

Good luck to all!

Hi,

- With the salary numbers mentioned above, those where from a couple of years ago. Is it true that they are adjusted for inflation?
- for the present selection, does someone know what kind of simulator they use? 737, private jet,.. what is the profile they expect you to fly?
thanks in advance,
A

Correct, those who have been the company for the last year would've had a 10.21% rise in basic. Because the latest round of recruitment identifies a 2 year rise basic to 80K implies that anyone know joins will have their inflation-corrected basic pay backdated to 2018. But you'll still come in the first year at 58.5. I grossed around 120K with added days etc in year 1.

Sims were using a Hawker 800, might've changed to a different jet. Certainly wont be a boeing or airbus. raw data, take off/landing, non-normal notec skills for an event. They used to pair you with a NJ captain, to assist and be your 'first officer' - not sure if thats still the case. No tricks in the sim. You'd be briefed on the basics of flying that type prior to the sim.

Good information! Thanks for that!
Any idea on how much extra work you did to get to that number? Just so we have an indication on how the 'overtime' stuff is calculated.
Thanks!

Hi guys, do anyone know what sim was used the last assessment?

It’s likely to be whichever one is available on the day. The instructors will likely not be rated on whatever it is so you won’t be able to impress them with your knowledge of limitations / memory items etc.

It’s a relatively low key event so don’t sweat it.

Hello all,

Does anyone know when Kura/NJs will be next hiring? I seem to remember something about September and from LinkedIn it was Mid August last year so maybe same this year….

there should be a lot of aircraft arriving Phenoms and Praetor’s so hopefully a need for lots of Pilots.

just curious if there has been any chatter

Good question.
Note - so far we're not down to get the Praetors yet. That's for NJA.
More of us are going part time and the retirements are happening so there should be something happening, just no idea when.
There's a few upgrade sessions going on so that's a good sign.

Just chatted to one of the pilots involved in recruitment. He said that there's no current plans to do any Kura type interviews in the near future, only those who have completed Stage 1&2 will be invited.

As long as you are following Kura and NJE on LinkedIn then you shouldn't miss the next window. It only seems to open for 1 week at a time so get on it quick next time it opens.

I saw that PPJN has updated with a post saying they have the FOs for summer 24, any truth in this? Clearly I’ll keep and an eye for LinkedIn etc but alot is heard in the cabin FM ;)

All the successful candidates on this last recruitment will be offered positions starting from January ‘24, just in time to be ready for the summer. So I believe it might be true..

I heard we are now switching to building a pool

During the stage 3 we were told starting dates from September 2023. Then when we got the positive call the starting date will be from January 2024. I can't remember the word "pool" but it seems the economic and the sim availabilities are the main reason for this change.

At stage 3 they said that from now on they will pull from the Kura pool of successful candidates. So if you applied and got invited to do stage one, you are in. As I understand, they will not open up the process to people not part of this group any time soon.

Deliveries of new aircraft are slowing down. Still a steady stream of pilots expected to retire but not enough to keep the crazy growth from the last two years.
On my fleet we even seem a bit overcrewed at times.

Based on the slowdown in recruitment and the messages posted here, would this pilotjobsnetwork estimate still be accurate?
"Time to command reduced as market expands, anywhere from 2+ years but realistically 4 years."

It might be correct, because we are expecting a lot of retirements within the next 5 years, or so. It seems the company is taking this into account already - at the moment we are already upgrading pilots who joined less than 4 years ago.

But as usual: nothing is steady in aviation. More important than a command, NetJets is a nice place to work at, in my opinion. Good and stable roster, nice colleagues, no FTL-tricks, no company ordered training or travelling on OFF-days, attractive bonus.

Manchester Gateway?
 

Hi all! Anyone on here is employed already for a while having Manchester as gateway? Or also someone having friends or close colleagues based there? I should hopefully be starting soon and just got couple of questions regarding MAN gateway and would really appreciate if you’d drop me a PM.
Thanks in advance :)

me! DM sent

Have there been any significant pay rises in the last few months at NJE or is pilotjobsnetwork reliable? Will recruitment open again soon?

We had a 10.21% pay rise in January becuase of the OECD inflation. Not sure if that would apply to new members as the entry salary is 58.5 for the first two years (I made over 100K with all the flying pay for the first year) and then it rises to 66K inflation corrected, potentialy including the 10.21% year. Recruitment wise will likely re open later on, as there are huge retirements. But we have a few guys and girls waiting for a start date from this years assessments. With a new start date starting in January 24

The new entry salaries have been corrected for inflation this year and we are talking about 64k for the first two years and 82k (or so) in the third year. Add a few tens of thousands of EUR in productivity boni on top of this. In a normal working year, an F/O can easily double his salary this way. But: the main reason to come and work here is, because you enjoy the job and its dynamic nature. Otherwise all the money in the world will not make you happy.

Can you start with a 80% part time contract from day one?

No I do not believe that is possible. it is a yearly thing.

No, you cannot. I think you can APPLY for FlexWork/part time after the first year in the company.

One could argue, that on a 6/5 roster from year 1 it is practically a part time roster compared to other gigs

No, I would not say that. We usually work a lot on our tour days if someone has got a side business or needs/wants more time for his family or hobbies, why not? That's exactly what part time is for. At some point I also want to take advantage of the 7 months ON/5 months OFF roster.

Apologies, I was comparing it compared to the airline rosters of the likes of easyjet and BA, where its rare to get 5 days off, (not possible at easyJet) on full time patterns. So what I mean is to go onto a 6/5 is pretty relaxed. Also, how ever hard we work on our duty days doesnt change regardless of being part time or not. Its the number of days after to rest! But I agree, I am glad to be in a company that offers actual PT options too.

I can assure you that at least I need my 5 days off between tours to keep my sanity. Sometimes I only get 4 days off, because I voluntarily work more (to make some extra cash) and I can feel it. 4 legs in our business jets are more draining than 4 legs on an airline where everything is prepared and ready. Of course, I do agree that 5 off days are great and are hard to find with the average airline and that's why hardly anyone leaves Netjets.

Hi everyone ! If someone is working from GVA as a gateway, can you drop me a PM? I have few questions. Thanks! :-)

Good morning esteemed aviators,

1. Are there any advancements in the ongoing recruitment process, with new hires being called from the existing pool? Is the pool drained already? Additionally, is there a forthcoming recruitment process, or does the situation remain relatively unchanged?

2. Of particular curiosity, has there been any instance where European NJ pilots and/or CS-Jets have been deployed to the US to assist with their shortage? Is this a viable option under current legislation?
Given the reported challenges faced by the US NJ in retaining talent and attracting new hires, as per NJASP news, could a temporary exchange of crews serve as a potential solution?

Here's what I understand, it is by no means certain as with all things.
Precisely what the situation is with the pool I don't know but from what I understand I would expect more recruitment to happen again for this year. If not, just to stand still we will need to recruit annually. Keep an eye on the Kura Linked In page for updates.

European reg aircraft do go to the US to help out with their peak times, as with all aircraft and cabotage rules they can only help out with international flights. The pilots on these aircraft have to hold and EASA licence and work for NJE.
I think this has been a fairly long running thing and I don't believe it has anything to do with retention issues over there, I don't know what the situation is and hope that our colleagues in the US get a favourable deal from negotiations.
It would be unusual for someone to have a green card and the right to live and work in the EU/UK (plus both licences) and I think there may be a couple of colleagues who have worked in both but I can't say for sure. Flip flopping between the two would be really hard I imagine if not close to impossible. That said if you can work in the US and have an FAA licence NJ inc are hiring!

Are those gross or net figures?

Gross. Depending on what country you live in,you will only have 25% Portuguese non-resident income tax deducted, plus social security in your country of residence.

Why there’s tax deduction in Portugual? And social security will be paid from the residual amount or based on the total amount (pre taxed amount)?

Because that is the way it works: we get our money from Portugal and as non-residents a flat tax of 25% is applied. In some EU-countries you'll have to pay the difference between your national income tax, in some countries you do not.

Social security is based on the total gross salary, of course. In my country of residence there is a cap on how much we have to pay for social security - I guess this is true in many other countries as well.

I have a few friends employed by portuguese companies (not NJ), resident in other countries, and some of them request to be credited their salary with no tax deductions at all (they fill a form called 21-rfi) and then pay full taxes in their country of residence.
Some prefere to have the 25% deduction and pay the difference at home.

That's good information - it may be that if you're a contractor it works - not so clear on if you're a salaried employee. That said it's worth folks with that problem looking at it.

The people i know are all salaried employee.

Does anyone have experience with taxation being based in Italy? From what I read taxation would be 25% Portuguese deduction and social security to be paid in Italy regarding this industry. Can anyone confirm?