NETJETS hiring 2022

[redsnail]

Helsinki was a grandfather base (literally in the case of one very recently retired pilot). But whether it can be used a temp gateway, I don't know. So long as it has good airline connections (ideally before midday), possibly.

[TheAirMission]

Originally Posted by papipapichulo

I can see why people don't get too excited about this gig. I am pretty sure 58.5k was the starting salary 20 years ago, same for the per diems that received no adjustment along the years. Productivity pay, well yes that sounds all well and good, but why can't they pay it the following month like any respectable employer instead of waiting the following Feb? So if you get kicked out in January, then you get a big fat middle finger i.s.o. hourly pay? I have no doubt the flying is good fun, but to say this is an amazing employer that looks after their staff, I have my doubts (with what happened to certain gateways few years ago, or to a specific fleet recently).

How you can question the quality of an employer based on pay alone..?

[EUops]

Thanks for the info mate!

[733driver]

Originally Posted by TheAirMission

How you can question the quality of an employer based on pay alone..?

Well, he/she did not do that. Pay was mentioned as were other aspects. I quote:

I have no doubt the flying is good fun, but to say this is an amazing employer that looks after their staff, I have my doubts (with what happened to certain gateways few years ago, or to a specific fleet recently)

Maybe you don't know what NJE management did some years ago and also as recently as 2020. Suffice to say, it wasn't pretty. Yes, the guy in charge in 2020 is gone but a lot of the management team are still around up to and including the big boss in America.

Of course there are companies that are a lot worse but don't be naive and think NJE have your best interests at heart. There is zero loyalty from them to us if (when) push comes to shove. I hope this changes one day but I won't be holding my breath. I will say that in individual's emergency situations (health/family related) they have at times been fantastic.

[Solenoid]

Hello guys, all the information provided above its very useful and I really appreciate it.

May I ask about the interview process? What to expect? How is it?

Thanks!

[redsnail]

I guess you have an application in? I think this window closes tomorrow at midnight (23rd August). I did the interview about 18 years ago so my info won't be current.
Think interviews, aptitude testing, and a sim check.

[4HolerPoler]

We’ve had a complaint from a member that these financials “contain highly sensitive information which should not be shared outside of NJ”.

How say you? It appears very useful gen but is it OK to be in the public domain?

[jmvdb22]

Originally Posted by 4HolerPoler

We’ve had a complaint from a member that these financials “contain highly sensitive information which should not be shared outside of NJ”.

How say you? It appears very useful gen but is it OK to be in the public domain?

In their FAQ they're not sharing the information 'to not set unreasonable expectations', so I guess as long as everyone knows not to take this as what is exactly what you're going to receive it's fine?

[hotspare16]

Originally Posted by 4HolerPoler

We’ve had a complaint from a member that these financials “contain highly sensitive information which should not be shared outside of NJ”.

How say you? It appears very useful gen but is it OK to be in the public domain?

It’s a rumour forum, why would someone complain that a user is posting positive comments and vague information about said company? Sensitive, how? People are making much more than what I posted, some Fos are making more than long serving captains. The minimum figures are what have been posted. No official figures, no company material or even so much as the pay matrix.
I guess, here indeed lies the downside to NJE - for so long, so many of the senior pilots have enjoyed this flying club to their benefit and well, no matter how good they have it, still find things to complain about.

“how say you?” What is this, a court of law? Give over, old chap.

[4HolerPoler]

I’m asking your advice you knob, not turning this into a court of law.

It all looks fine, I’m going to leave this gen here, nothing too sensitive or revealing.

[733driver]

Originally Posted by hotspare16

some Fos are making more than long serving captains.
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I guess, here indeed lies the downside to NJE - for so long, so many of the senior pilots have enjoyed this flying club to their benefit and well, no matter how good they have it, still find things to complain about.

Are you surprised that senior captains are complaining that some FOs are making more than them?

Let's see how you feel about this when you are that senior captain

And those same people who have been here more than five minutes have recently seen pilots of an entire fleet being fired, no matter how senior and with complete disregard fior the redundancy policy in force at the time. Thankfully that disgraceful act was eventually corrected
A few years earlier they got rid of all France and Belgium based Captains supposedly due to potentially high social security cost. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that most supporters of the then new union which still represents NJE pilots today were from those countries. I'm sure they were not trying to reduce the membership below 50% to avoid legal recognition of the union...

But yeah, us old-timers always find something to complain about no matter how good we have it.

I'm not bitter but perhaps disillusioned. Maybe more realistic than some of the posts on here which are only positive.

[jmvdb22]

So has anyone had an invitation for the aptitude tests as they stated in the FAQ it would start today or have they just not started that stage yet?

[EatMyShorts!]

Hello Mister "I just joined for my first and only post":

Originally Posted by papipapichulo

I am pretty sure 58.5k was the starting salary 20 years ago

You are wrong, I am pretty sure. Nearly 20 years ago, when I joined, the starting salary was more like 43k EUR, but it depended on the fleet. Since 2006 the base pay is identical, irrespective of the fleet.

Originally Posted by papipapichulo

same for the per diems that received no adjustment along the years

Correct. Also, to avoid sliding into taxable amounts of PDs. Our colleagues from the UK can already sing the "tax my PD"-song...

Originally Posted by papipapichulo

Productivity pay, well yes that sounds all well and good, but why can't they pay it the following month like any respectable employer instead of waiting the following Feb?

That is not possible, because you obviously do not know how productivity pay is calculated. Only after the end of a calendar year can one determine how many hours have been flown and how much is paid out. It is NOT linear, there are several thresholds. The first 100 hours of block time in a calendar year are "on us pilots", only then will one get some "pocket money" for those additional hours. The special "summer bonus" gets paid out monthly, probably to your own surprise.
I just heard that someone made 300k+ EUR in a year. But that means volunteering almost every off-day and selling lots of vacation days. That's nuts, I would never do this.

Originally Posted by papipapichulo

So if you get kicked out in January, then you get a big fat middle finger i.s.o. hourly pay?

Wrong.

[funkydreadlocks]

Originally Posted by jmvdb22

So has anyone had an invitation for the aptitude tests as they stated in the FAQ it would start today or have they just not started that stage yet?

I haven’t heard anything yet. Getting anxious.
last year i got to the very last day and the Kura person told me in a debrief I missed it by 1 point on their scoring matrix. Biggest disappointment of my life.

been out of flying for 2 years now and this is the only company I’ve applied for.

I guess all we can do is wait and see.

edit: loving all the amazing insight from current crew working there. Thank you for giving us the good and the bad. Great way to remove the rose tint from our glasses

[EatMyShorts!]

Good luck to you all! I think that the good things outweigh the bad things in Netjets. Otherwise me and many others wouldn't have been here for 15, 20 or more years.

[jmvdb22]

Originally Posted by funkydreadlocks

I haven’t heard anything yet. Getting anxious.
last year i got to the very last day and the Kura person told me in a debrief I missed it by 1 point on their scoring matrix. Biggest disappointment of my life.

been out of flying for 2 years now and this is the only company I’ve applied for.

I guess all we can do is wait and see.

edit: loving all the amazing insight from current crew working there. Thank you for giving us the good and the bad. Great way to remove the rose tint from our glasses

Yeah I'm just wondering if its them not inviting anyone yet or maybe not everyone at a time or if I just didn't make the cut. My impatient side wants to send them an email about this, but not sure if that would reflect badly on me 😂

Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!

Good luck to you all! I think that the good things outweigh the bad things in Netjets. Otherwise me and many others wouldn't have been here for 15, 20 or more years.

Thanks! I've heard stories on and off this forum and it indeed seems that most find it more positive than negative. Ofcourse every place to work has its downsides, but as long as it outweighs the negative (preferably by a bit) that's what you're looking for, and so far it seems to me NetJets has been able to provide that at least.

[funkydreadlocks]

Originally Posted by jmvdb22

Yeah I'm just wondering if its them not inviting anyone yet or maybe not everyone at a time or if I just didn't make the cut. My impatient side wants to send them an email about this, but not sure if that would reflect badly on me 😂
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Yeah I’m typically quite patient with these things, it’s just the timeline is really tight compared to last year. Supposedly the 2nd phase is between yesterday and the 2nd Sept. Not sure how they can expect to go through however many applications & send it out and have everyone complete both the competency and the 1-on-1 online interview in that time. I know Kura are incredibly proficient at this point but I find it hard to believe, considering that last time the number of applicants were in the 4 figures.

My biggest worry for me is that my MEIR isn’t valid. As fate would have it, I have the renewal booked for early sept. Worst part is it was originally slated for early August but work had me delay my holiday a month. Nowhere to include that in the forms.

[funkydreadlocks]

Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!

Good luck to you all! I think that the good things outweigh the bad things in Netjets. Otherwise me and many others wouldn't have been here for 15, 20 or more years.

thank you! I hope to get to fly with you and the other NJE pilots here soon. A lot of people seem to care about the aircraft they get put on, but I’ve just found that I just like flying. The 320/321 never did much more for me than a Da42. Just keen to get back in the flight deck

[TheAirMission]

Company received 800 applications of which 700 "passed" their internal screening of requirements. You can expect the next stages to follow now that the window closed and they've removed those who didn't meet the requirements.. good luck to all!

[funkydreadlocks]

Originally Posted by TheAirMission

Company received 800 applications of which 700 "passed" their internal screening of requirements. You can expect the next stages to follow now that the window closed and they've removed those who didn't meet the requirements.. good luck to all!

thank you very very much for the info. Eases my mind a little