NETJETS hiring 2022

[Miserable Old Git]

Hiring now, applications accepted for about a week. All info is on the Kura website (link below)

if you’re interested, you don’t have much time.

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NetJets First Officer > Kura Airline Resourcing

[EatMyShorts!]

Edit: Retracted

[AntTonix]

Hello EatMyShorts!

I am currently flying on the A320 on a low cost in Europe, for 4.5 years. Recently I progressed to Senior FO and have more than 2500h, but from time to time I find myself "bored" with always flying the same routes repeatedly and dealing with constant problems that arise with flying many passengers. I've talked with several colleagues who have flown private and all have good stories coming from it. Roster stability also seems pretty good in Netjets, as I am in a variable roster it's difficult to organise myself. Also I am getting closer to getting my command in my airline, but here it might involve a change of base, which wouldn't be ideal for me for family planning reasons. I feel these problems wouldn't occur in Netjets, and so I am considering applying for the job, but I wanted to ask you some questions, if you don't mind.

I've seen your posts in the previous thread and regarding the tours, is almost always minimum rest between flights? It's not the biggest problem for me, as I also have lots of those, but for now I get to come home, even if it is just to sleep and then back to work.
For this new opening they are hiring for 4 diffent aircraft. My preference would be the Latitude, and after that the CL350. I know you cannot choose the fleet you are assigned to, but when do you find out which fleet you've been assigned to? Only after signing the contract? I'm a bit of a tech geek, so I'd like to have all the bells and whistles, so for me the XLS would be a deal breaker, and probably the Phenom as it's too small. I don't want to sound picky but this would be a big change in my life, and it matters to me. How probable would be for me to be assigned the Latitude if I'm sucessful?

Sorry for the bother!

If anyone else wants to chime in please feel free to do so!

[EatMyShorts!]

Hi AntTonix,

regarding the tours, is almost always minimum rest between flights?

it depends on the time of year, really. Now, in summer, when the company is flying at or over its own capacity, we tend to have long days and then minimum rest. In winter, this is different, you'll see less of this, although you might still be on busy tours, because the company tries to concentrate its ground and SIM training outside the busy season. As consequence, there may be a lack of crew on the line in winter... Long story short: do we ALWAYS have minimum rest between duties? No. Do we have this often in summer? Absolutely yes. At least we are in hotels during tour and then 5 days OFF without anyone bothering us!

How probable would be for me to be assigned the Latitude if I'm successful?

Nobody can say this, really. You COULD try to voice your preference for certain fleets AFTER signing your contract, but I would NOT do it during the hiring process as it may not be received well ("picky"). Should one be assigned to the Phenom, at least the productivity bonus will be significantly higher than on the other fleets with APUs or even flight attendants! From what my colleagues on the Phenom tell me, it is a fun aircraft to fly, very agile, with modern avionics. Honestly, I would not think that a Phenom or an XLS would be a deal-breaker. Your time on it would be kind of limited, although fleet-changes are mostly done according to seniority. It won't be just a couple of years on an undesired fleet.

As was written by others: Netjets is not about the super big bucks (at least not yet) or super flashy aircraft. Netjets is about life-style, the choice to live in the place that YOU want to live at and the motivation to be flexible in your mind for all the changes of plans, for the better and for the worse. I have been with the company since 2004, still here, won't leave.

[hotspare16]

Solid roster, solid long term prospects and bloody great fun on the line. Came here from airlines during the last recruitment and won’t be leaving. Salary’s not the best starting but once you factor in productivity pay and should you wish to do it, tour based pay, more than fine. Two year+ FOs are pulling easily €110k+ not including per diems or tour based pay. Eg. On my fleet 400hrs flying equates to a €36k block hour, productivity pay bonus. Salaries also track inflation - we had a 5.5% pay rise before stepping in an aircraft. As it should be. Two year pay rise tracks this too.
It’s not just about the money though, the roster is a big draw, deduct leave, sim, GRT and you are flying just 168 days p.a. Off is Off. Crew meals, health insurance etc etc But, most importantly they seem to genuinely treat you with respect and care about us and our well-being from day one. There’s always things to complain about but overall I’ve been impressed.

As for on the line, over the last 6/7 months it’s been a mix. Some tours (peak summer) have been 3/4 sectors a day, some I’ve been lucky and not doing too much at all with down time. Days off swimming in Nice and two days Reykjavik plus a few other quieter tours here and there. You’ll find the duty adds up quickly, 60hrs can be hit very easily and once you near this limit they will ask if you are happy to extend it to 70 hrs. If you agree then you’re remunerated for it and they can only use those extra 10hrs to airline you back home. If not, you’ll airline home, maybe a day early.

As for assigned fleet, don’t get your hopes up on a Latitude or Challenger. I met a guy who joined recently with both a Global and Challenger rating and they put him on an XLS. He was happy enough but I think praying it won’t stay around much longer - it’s the dinosaur of the fleet! The Latitude is for me a sweet spot, modern cockpit, nice cabin etc. I’m very happy flying it, coming from the 73 & 78…

As a package I can’t recommend it enough for work/life balance. Downsides are small aircraft, if that matters to you and the possibility of flying the XLS but the rumours are that won’t be around forever.
Positives - everything else really. Roster, longterm prospects, treated with respect and looked after on the line.

Good Luck!

[maximus610]

Frankfurt gateway

In previous thread there was some info about London gateway.
What about Frankfurt gateway? How much airlining? Do you depart usually from FRA or Egelsbach? Will appreciate for some more info.

[hotspare16]

Originally Posted by maximus610

In previous thread there was some info about London gateway.
What about Frankfurt gateway? How much airlining? Do you depart usually from FRA or Egelsbach? Will appreciate for some more info.

Frankfurt (EDDF) is definitely an approved gateway so you would start and end your tour here with NJs booking your airline ticket to wherever your assigned tail is.

Day 1 - Airlining and if duty works, often operating as well.

You also have use of the temporary gateway system, requires 3 days notice to change your assigned gateway temporarily to suit you. Summer has added temp’ gateway destinations.

[TheAirMission]

Originally Posted by maximus610

In previous thread there was some info about London gateway.
What about Frankfurt gateway? How much airlining? Do you depart usually from FRA or Egelsbach? Will appreciate for some more info.

Frankfurt is a gateway, not heard about of the other airport so definitely not a gateway. Gateways are selected on their airline connections. If you're FRA based then you can assume you'll airline on day 1 and 6, whereas us londoners will have a better chance of just getting a taxi to one of the london airports where the aircraft might be already. Farn, Biggin, Luton, STN, Northholt, Oxford etc. A small positive of airline is you keep your airmiles and statuses, including hotel stays.

[TheAirMission]

Originally Posted by AntTonix

Hello EatMyShorts!

For this new opening they are hiring for 4 diffent aircraft. My preference would be the Latitude, and after that the CL350. I know you cannot choose the fleet you are assigned to, but when do you find out which fleet you've been assigned to? Only after signing the contract? I'm a bit of a tech geek, so I'd like to have all the bells and whistles, so for me the XLS would be a deal breaker, and probably the Phenom as it's too small. I don't want to sound picky but this would be a big change in my life, and it matters to me. How probable would be for me to be assigned the Latitude if I'm sucessful?

If anyone else wants to chime in please feel free to do so!

To put it bluntly, you'll have to change your attitude towards the fleet allocation if you truly are going to enjoy the job, the XLS is a perfectly fine aircraft, it just obviously a shock because it doesn't look like an Airbus, where I spent 3000 hours before. And the way things are going anyway there will be lots of movement in the near future, especially as more Latitudes come and XLSs go

[733driver]

Originally Posted by maximus610

In previous thread there was some info about London gateway.
What about Frankfurt gateway? How much airlining? Do you depart usually from FRA or Egelsbach? Will appreciate for some more info.

Lot's of airlining. It's the worst part of the job for me. Especially these days. Sometimes we airline more than twice per tour. Being away for six or seven days can can be tough with a young family but being home for five or six days after each tour is pretty good. Airlining and sleeping in a different hotel every night gets old once you've done it for ten or twenty years. At least it did for me. The flying is very good but there can be too much of it. Quality of life on tour can be quite compromised. Max duty min rest is quite common-

The remuneration system is a bit weird. At least to me. A senior captain on a long range or large cabin jet likely makes less money than a first year captain on a Phenom or XLS. That's because the smaller the jet the higher the productivity pay per hour. Also, once you are a 2+year Captain there is no more salary progression beyond inflation correction. As a 20 year Captain you will make no more than a three-year captain. In fact you may makle less if you are on a bigger aircraft. You can make more money if you fly a lot and work extra days but you have very limited control over how much or how little you fly. It's not a bad place but it's not for everyone.

[TheAirMission]

Originally Posted by 733driver

Lot's of airlining. It's the worst part of the job for me. Especially these days. Sometimes we airline more than twice per tour. .

To add to my fellow colleagues comments, which I am not saying are wrong, but I've only had to airline mid-tour once this summer so far, which has been one of the top 2, if not the busiest summer we've had

[hotspare16]

It’s all personal, for me I actually don’t mind the airlining. Of course, helps if you have a status with a few alliances.

[733driver]

Originally Posted by hotspare16

It’s all personal, for me I actually don’t mind the airlining. Of course, helps if you have a status with a few alliances.

Very true. It's personal. I also didn't mind the airlining the first few years. Now I do. Status doesn't help much, I find. The lounges are as packed as the gate areas and last minute bookings mean I'm often stuck with a middle seat. Don't want to sound like a prima Donna, it's just that airlinining is one part of this job which has gotten very old for me in recent years. It's still a good job on balance but not without its frustrations.

[733driver]

Originally Posted by TheAirMission

To add to my fellow colleagues comments, which I am not saying are wrong, but I've only had to airline mid-tour once this summer so far, which has been one of the top 2, if not the busiest summer we've had

You are lucky. Is your experience typical for your fleet? On mine mid-tour airlines are more common. I'm on a work horse fleet which new joiners are likely to get.

[EUops]

Could someone provide a rough total of yearly income for FO, including per diems, bonuses etc?

Also, what is the average time to command?

[hotspare16]

Originally Posted by EUops

Could someone provide a rough total of yearly income for FO, including per diems, bonuses etc?

Also, what is the average time to command?

Income is a combination of the below:

Base Salary
Year 1 FO: €58500. After 2 years increases to €66300 - Important to remember this is the base starting salary and increases inline with inflation. E.g. I started in December and received a 5.5% increase for last year. The year 2 salary increase was also adjusted for inflation.

Productivity Pay - Paid the following Feb’
Based on block hours flown. Works on a matrix depending on fleet/hours etc but on the Latitude (and XLS) fleet we get 25% more per hour than Challenger, Global & Falcon fleets and the Phenom fleet gets 50% more!
As an idea…
250 hours = €16k
350 hours = €30k
400 hours = €36k
450 hours = €43k
…

Per diems
€70 per day, expect to earn these against 178 duty days ( deducting leave) = €12.4k pa.
UK have a portion of this taxed.

Tour Based Pay
This is quite complicated but basically and should this continue, you apply for it and if accepted (everyone was this year) you earn a minimum of €105 per hour for every hour flown over 9.1 based on a 6 day tour.
This is the minimum amount that can be earned. Threshold to earn it is adjusted depending on length of your.
Paid in the following months salary. E.g. On a 19 block hour tour, over 6 days, you make an extra €1050 for that tour. It’s hard to say how much extra you can make here but some guys are pulling big numbers. Tour based pay has it’s controversy as it could be argued this creates a drive to fly versus fatigue etc. That’s another debate though.
As someone mentioned earlier, there is also no control over the hours you will fly per tour. Some could be busy (often in summer) and others quiet.

In addition to the above you can earn more by offering days off and extending a tour, or going above the 60 duty hour limit (they can only get you home if you agree this) and a few other bits and bobs here and there.

If you take out Tour Based Pay and work on a Year 1 initial base salary of €58500 with no inflation adjustments + 350 hours flying pa + per diems. Around €100,000 p.a. More for Phenom, less for Falcon, Challenger and Global.

Time to command
Hard to say, but the talk is with so much movement, fleet expansions continuing, upcoming retirements (alot in the coming years) and natural attrition, around 5/6 years? Let’s see what the next hurdle aviation is about to face and the effects it will inevitably bring.

[papipapichulo]

I can see why people don't get too excited about this gig. I am pretty sure 58.5k was the starting salary 20 years ago, same for the per diems that received no adjustment along the years. Productivity pay, well yes that sounds all well and good, but why can't they pay it the following month like any respectable employer instead of waiting the following Feb? So if you get kicked out in January, then you get a big fat middle finger i.s.o. hourly pay? I have no doubt the flying is good fun, but to say this is an amazing employer that looks after their staff, I have my doubts (with what happened to certain gateways few years ago, or to a specific fleet recently).

[redsnail]

Egelsbach is not a gateway simply because there's not enough airlines operating out of there (if any). However, EDDF is just up the road.

Hotspare 16 seems to have the pay reasonably well described. Assuming no catastrophic economic disaster, the rough estimate to command is fairly accurate.
A good number of us "oldies" will probably go onto the pre-retirement part time plan or just retire early.

As for airlining? Most of my recent tours have either been no airlining (yes! London gateway) or airlining Day 1 or 6. But yes, it's generally not particularly pleasant especially if you need to check a bag. (Apple AirTags or Tile are your friend).

[Murtoman]

Originally Posted by hotspare16

Frankfurt (EDDF) is definitely an approved gateway so you would start and end your tour here with NJs booking your airline ticket to wherever your assigned tail is.

Day 1 - Airlining and if duty works, often operating as well.

You also have use of the temporary gateway system, requires 3 days notice to change your assigned gateway temporarily to suit you. Summer has added temp’ gateway destinations.

Oddly specific question, are there any temp gateways in Finland? Definitely finishing up my application, and can manage even without these, but would be a huge personal benefit.

Thanks.

[hotspare16]

Originally Posted by Murtoman

Oddly specific question, are there any temp gateways in Finland? Definitely finishing up my application, and can manage even without these, but would be a huge personal benefit.

Thanks.

Helsinki (EFHK) is definitely an approved temporary gateway.