NETJETS hiring 2022
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Netjets with an option order for 1500 Citations....Crazy!!! I guess there will be some more hiring.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ts-2023-09-20/
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ts-2023-09-20/
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Netjets have - in the past - assigned aircraft from their orders to America and Europe as needed. I believe only a few fleets were America only (Challenger 650 now, Citation X and Sovereign in the past?). Impressive order if executed to full extend. The remaining incoming Embraer Praetor 500s (250) are securing their growth with state of the art aircraft (which is a small strategic change from previous fleet decisions).
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NJE have received some CL650s.
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Hmm.
Now, let's break it down:
A - Pilots who applied in April and were approved in July face a lengthy and unsettling wait of 6 months or more without any updates from NJE before receiving an actual job offer. This period of silence during the wait can be quite challenging and second-guessing.
B - The plan is to acquire 1500 Textron jets over the next 15 years. When you factor in an additional 250 Preator options, up to 24 Global 7500/8000 jets, and the Phenoms that have yet to be delivered, the total becomes quite substantial. This is significant because it comes at a time when the private jet market isn't growing – it's actually declining by 8% in the US and EU and 7% worldwide year-over-year (source: WingX). Unless the goal is to replace the (entire) existing fleet within the same 15-year timeframe, this plan appears “ambitious”. This is especially relevant when considering the increasing environmental concerns related to private jet travel. Additionally, fractional ownership with NetJets has proven to be unsustainable for some owners. Reports indicate some who purchased shares during the COVID-19 pandemic are selling them at a substantial loss as commercial jet travel rebounds, and on-demand charter services offer more competitive deals than ownership.
C - While NJ holds a dominant position as the largest player, other competitors like Flexjet and Vista are thriving and capturing a significant portion of the market. Is the “pie in the sky” big enough for all?
When you consider A, B, and C together, there appears to be a disconnect or inconsistency in the overall picture.
Now, let's break it down:
A - Pilots who applied in April and were approved in July face a lengthy and unsettling wait of 6 months or more without any updates from NJE before receiving an actual job offer. This period of silence during the wait can be quite challenging and second-guessing.
B - The plan is to acquire 1500 Textron jets over the next 15 years. When you factor in an additional 250 Preator options, up to 24 Global 7500/8000 jets, and the Phenoms that have yet to be delivered, the total becomes quite substantial. This is significant because it comes at a time when the private jet market isn't growing – it's actually declining by 8% in the US and EU and 7% worldwide year-over-year (source: WingX). Unless the goal is to replace the (entire) existing fleet within the same 15-year timeframe, this plan appears “ambitious”. This is especially relevant when considering the increasing environmental concerns related to private jet travel. Additionally, fractional ownership with NetJets has proven to be unsustainable for some owners. Reports indicate some who purchased shares during the COVID-19 pandemic are selling them at a substantial loss as commercial jet travel rebounds, and on-demand charter services offer more competitive deals than ownership.
C - While NJ holds a dominant position as the largest player, other competitors like Flexjet and Vista are thriving and capturing a significant portion of the market. Is the “pie in the sky” big enough for all?
When you consider A, B, and C together, there appears to be a disconnect or inconsistency in the overall picture.
So far, Netjets is not shrinking. The growth may have slowed down a bit, but us pilots on the line do not notice this as we are busy flying as ever. I have come across a few owners who are going to reduce their share/type of share or leave the program, because they have purchased their own full private aircraft. Yes, there will always be owners who leave the program altogether, because they find it too expensive, because they cannot afford it anymore, because they have retired and do not fly that much anymore etc.. Life circumstances change.
If you are worried about start date as in A), just give HR Services a call to clarify. We HAVE TO keep hiring people, as we have pilots retiring and it won't get better over the coming years. Entering the company now will potentially provide you with a great opportunity of a quick upgrade to captain (2 to 4 years), which is really good for a "legacy company" as Netjets.
But if you have doubts about the sustainability and stability, then better stay in your save haven or join an airline that you think will provide you with what you expect. It's all fine.
If you are worried about start date as in A), just give HR Services a call to clarify. We HAVE TO keep hiring people, as we have pilots retiring and it won't get better over the coming years. Entering the company now will potentially provide you with a great opportunity of a quick upgrade to captain (2 to 4 years), which is really good for a "legacy company" as Netjets.
But if you have doubts about the sustainability and stability, then better stay in your save haven or join an airline that you think will provide you with what you expect. It's all fine.
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Thank you.
Doubt will always exist, the next downturn will eventually occur, and there are no perfect jobs or perfect employees in this business. Strategy and secrecy play significant roles, always leaving room for uncertainty.
The search for information is overwhelming. An abundance of articles, studies, graphs, statistics, and details related to each topic (fleet, growth, debt, conditions, etc.) and sometimes, these sources point to entirely different directions with supporting facts.
In my own opinion only, the most valuable insights often come from individuals who work inside. They offer a unique perspective from within, sharing honest opinions based on personal experiences.
Ultimately, everyone seeks a job worth dedicating themselves to, one that provides the closest possible of a fulfilling life. No one wishes to venture into the unknown, leaving behind a familiar "safe haven" or even a "safe hell."
Doubt will always exist, the next downturn will eventually occur, and there are no perfect jobs or perfect employees in this business. Strategy and secrecy play significant roles, always leaving room for uncertainty.
The search for information is overwhelming. An abundance of articles, studies, graphs, statistics, and details related to each topic (fleet, growth, debt, conditions, etc.) and sometimes, these sources point to entirely different directions with supporting facts.
In my own opinion only, the most valuable insights often come from individuals who work inside. They offer a unique perspective from within, sharing honest opinions based on personal experiences.
Ultimately, everyone seeks a job worth dedicating themselves to, one that provides the closest possible of a fulfilling life. No one wishes to venture into the unknown, leaving behind a familiar "safe haven" or even a "safe hell."
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Fully approved, through long term testing, Yellow Fever inoculation is a completely different kettle of fish (no 6 monthly top up / new variant boosters and completely different delivery technology to mRNA)
No Company can discriminate against an individual based upon an EUA (US) / MHRA Reg.174 (UK) medical procedure or interfere with informed consent under the Nuremberg Code and Helsinki Declarations.
There is a huge roll back on c19 policies going on (especially in USA) as more is being learnt about :
1. Longer term effects of the novel devices (e.g. VITT, Guillain-Barré syndrome, Myocarditis and Pericarditis, etc) - For example the withdrawal of AZ devices after rise in VITT.
2. Lack efficacy against infection and transmission has been acknowledged. https://www.themainewire.com/2023/04...date-the-shot/
In any case, in a post Haddon Cave and 737 MAX world, HR and especially Company Senior Post Holders need to look more closely at any employee "mandates" as part of the company's duty of care to avoid any association with medical coercion in the event of demonstrable harms as well carry out a full Risk Analysis on incapacitation / cardiac / stroke events on Flight Safety since 2020.
Official reporting figures can be found
UK: https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/idaps.
USA: https://openvaers.com/
EU: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-r...eudravigilance
Other relevant articles from mainstream and scientific literature:
https://www.hematology.org/covid-19/...rombocytopenia
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S1...416-6/fulltext
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8270733/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M22-2274
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@greenedgejet it's not the HR departments that demand vaccination, it's the countries we operate to. When that question was asked, most of the EU/ME and NA still had some COVID 19 protocols in place, it's since been removed but I don't know if it's still asked.
There's still a few countries that have vaccination requirements in place and China is one of them which might mean it's still required.
There's still a few countries that have vaccination requirements in place and China is one of them which might mean it's still required.
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Hmm.
Now, let's break it down:
A - Pilots who applied in April and were approved in July face a lengthy and unsettling wait of 6 months or more without any updates from NJE before receiving an actual job offer. This period of silence during the wait can be quite challenging and second-guessing.
B - The plan is to acquire 1500 Textron jets over the next 15 years. When you factor in an additional 250 Preator options, up to 24 Global 7500/8000 jets, and the Phenoms that have yet to be delivered, the total becomes quite substantial. This is significant because it comes at a time when the private jet market isn't growing – it's actually declining by 8% in the US and EU and 7% worldwide year-over-year (source: WingX). Unless the goal is to replace the (entire) existing fleet within the same 15-year timeframe, this plan appears “ambitious”. This is especially relevant when considering the increasing environmental concerns related to private jet travel. Additionally, fractional ownership with NetJets has proven to be unsustainable for some owners. Reports indicate some who purchased shares during the COVID-19 pandemic are selling them at a substantial loss as commercial jet travel rebounds, and on-demand charter services offer more competitive deals than ownership.
C - While NJ holds a dominant position as the largest player, other competitors like Flexjet and Vista are thriving and capturing a significant portion of the market. Is the “pie in the sky” big enough for all?
When you consider A, B, and C together, there appears to be a disconnect or inconsistency in the overall picture.
Now, let's break it down:
A - Pilots who applied in April and were approved in July face a lengthy and unsettling wait of 6 months or more without any updates from NJE before receiving an actual job offer. This period of silence during the wait can be quite challenging and second-guessing.
B - The plan is to acquire 1500 Textron jets over the next 15 years. When you factor in an additional 250 Preator options, up to 24 Global 7500/8000 jets, and the Phenoms that have yet to be delivered, the total becomes quite substantial. This is significant because it comes at a time when the private jet market isn't growing – it's actually declining by 8% in the US and EU and 7% worldwide year-over-year (source: WingX). Unless the goal is to replace the (entire) existing fleet within the same 15-year timeframe, this plan appears “ambitious”. This is especially relevant when considering the increasing environmental concerns related to private jet travel. Additionally, fractional ownership with NetJets has proven to be unsustainable for some owners. Reports indicate some who purchased shares during the COVID-19 pandemic are selling them at a substantial loss as commercial jet travel rebounds, and on-demand charter services offer more competitive deals than ownership.
C - While NJ holds a dominant position as the largest player, other competitors like Flexjet and Vista are thriving and capturing a significant portion of the market. Is the “pie in the sky” big enough for all?
When you consider A, B, and C together, there appears to be a disconnect or inconsistency in the overall picture.
C. Some of these players are not competing in the same segment. Like Vista is mainly large cabin and long haul while Netjets seem to focus more on the small cabin segment in Europe. Of course they overlap a bit but Vista does a lot of things that Netjets is incapable of doing and Netjets does the small cabin much better than Vista.
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@greenedgejet it's not the HR departments that demand vaccination, it's the countries we operate to. When that question was asked, most of the EU/ME and NA still had some COVID 19 protocols in place, it's since been removed but I don't know if it's still asked.
There's still a few countries that have vaccination requirements in place and China is one of them which might mean it's still required.
There's still a few countries that have vaccination requirements in place and China is one of them which might mean it's still required.
Vast majority of globe changed in 2022 and China followed suit later after the Shanghai lockdowns ended. First it was RT PCR only then simpler Antigen test.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...rs-2023-04-25/
Professional Aircrew (foreign and domestic) were exempt in USA though-out the period. Canada held out longest of the Western nations (although even there pilots could still fly in and out without jabs) into 2022 but not long after the truckers protest and MSM switched over to Ukraine tragedy things returned to near normal.
For ordinary travel see: https://www.kayak.co.uk/travel-restrictions? Dont see any nations requiring either for further c19 boosters or initial doses.
Probably because health authorities now know a lot more.
AZ adenoviral vector device was slowly withdrawn (first indication was Norwegian Medical staff were found to have died from VITT: https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norw...-astrazeneca-/ and https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114 ).
By FOI request and court order the Pfizer documents on post marketing release continue to be assessed and over 3500 scientific medical papers indicating serious adverse effects. 1000 of those are linked here: https://drtrozzi.org/2023/09/28/1000...cine-injuries/.
And the Cleveland report shows more c19 infection the more doses (against old variants no longer in circulation) are taken with less viral neutralising IgG1 and IgG3, more viral & other infection and cancer encouraging IgG4 Anti bodies.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/william...sing-the-race/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37191589/
Now given natural infection leads to 27x better immunity (whole virus exposure not just the highly specific S protein portion of the RNA that is constantly changing with variants which is why Bill Gates sold his Moderna stock just before stating as much followed by huge stock price drop), there should be no prejudice against those pilots that didn't take these devices.:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/1/e545/6563799
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Vast majority of globe changed in 2022 and China followed suit later after the Shanghai lockdowns ended. First it was RT PCR only then simpler Antigen test.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...rs-2023-04-25/
Professional Aircrew (foreign and domestic) were exempt in USA though-out the period. Canada held out longest of the Western nations (although even there pilots could still fly in and out without jabs) into 2022 but not long after the truckers protest and MSM switched over to Ukraine tragedy things returned to near normal.
For ordinary travel see: https://www.kayak.co.uk/travel-restrictions? Dont see any nations requiring either for further c19 boosters or initial doses.
Probably because health authorities now know a lot more.
AZ adenoviral vector device was slowly withdrawn (first indication was Norwegian Medical staff were found to have died from VITT: https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norw...-astrazeneca-/ and https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114 ).
By FOI request and court order the Pfizer documents on post marketing release continue to be assessed and over 3500 scientific medical papers indicating serious adverse effects. 1000 of those are linked here: https://drtrozzi.org/2023/09/28/1000...cine-injuries/.
And the Cleveland report shows more c19 infection the more doses (against old variants no longer in circulation) are taken with less viral neutralising IgG1 and IgG3, more viral & other infection and cancer encouraging IgG4 Anti bodies.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/william...sing-the-race/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37191589/
Now given natural infection leads to 27x better immunity (whole virus exposure not just the highly specific S protein portion of the RNA that is constantly changing with variants which is why Bill Gates sold his Moderna stock just before stating as much followed by huge stock price drop), there should be no prejudice against those pilots that didn't take these devices.:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/1/e545/6563799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiA1S6NvCo4
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...rs-2023-04-25/
Professional Aircrew (foreign and domestic) were exempt in USA though-out the period. Canada held out longest of the Western nations (although even there pilots could still fly in and out without jabs) into 2022 but not long after the truckers protest and MSM switched over to Ukraine tragedy things returned to near normal.
For ordinary travel see: https://www.kayak.co.uk/travel-restrictions? Dont see any nations requiring either for further c19 boosters or initial doses.
Probably because health authorities now know a lot more.
AZ adenoviral vector device was slowly withdrawn (first indication was Norwegian Medical staff were found to have died from VITT: https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norw...-astrazeneca-/ and https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114 ).
By FOI request and court order the Pfizer documents on post marketing release continue to be assessed and over 3500 scientific medical papers indicating serious adverse effects. 1000 of those are linked here: https://drtrozzi.org/2023/09/28/1000...cine-injuries/.
And the Cleveland report shows more c19 infection the more doses (against old variants no longer in circulation) are taken with less viral neutralising IgG1 and IgG3, more viral & other infection and cancer encouraging IgG4 Anti bodies.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/william...sing-the-race/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37191589/
Now given natural infection leads to 27x better immunity (whole virus exposure not just the highly specific S protein portion of the RNA that is constantly changing with variants which is why Bill Gates sold his Moderna stock just before stating as much followed by huge stock price drop), there should be no prejudice against those pilots that didn't take these devices.:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/1/e545/6563799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiA1S6NvCo4
Have look around here:
https://www.youtube.com/@Backtothescience
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From what I understand some aircraft that were supposed to be taken by us went to the big US.
Some other factors too but don’t worry, even with no growth we’ll need to hire, matter of retirement figures.
Understand the delay and wait is annoying though…
Some other factors too but don’t worry, even with no growth we’ll need to hire, matter of retirement figures.
Understand the delay and wait is annoying though…
