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Noyade 1st Oct 2011 05:02

Hi Reg.

"Depot ships"

Two stabs...

MS Schwabenland?
MS Friesenland?

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 06:06

Graeme, it is the ship where the Wal is being catapulted in your picture, but not MS Schwabenland or MS Friesenland.

I have a film (rendered to a video) most likely from the same catapulting event and process, including picture of the ship; I will post a link once this has been sorted out.

There are some special things about this aerodrome.

Noyade 1st Oct 2011 06:30

G'day Reg.

Miserable Saturday here mate. Wet and cold so I've been indoors trying to solve/create challenges (plus some housework :)). No luck with yours.

There are some special things about this aerodrome.
Care to elaborate? :)

Just a query for players. Do we now consider aircraft carriers as aerodromes?

Opens up a world of possibilities.

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 07:16


Care to elaborate?
She was the first of its kind and probably the only of her kind.


Do we now consider aircraft carriers as aerodromes?
I'd say no, and I'll justify my post: This is not an aircraft carrier. There was a small joke involved here, too. The caption specifically called it "aérodrome flottant", so I thought it must be legitimate, because this is "Which Aerodrome" thread.

PS. It is not French.

Noyade 1st Oct 2011 07:17

Found a photo in a book of a Wal about to be catapulted from....SS(?) Westfalen...?

Google shows it with BV-139s...

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6813/westfalen.jpg

Noyade 1st Oct 2011 07:30


She was the first of its kind and probably the only of her kind.
I'll log off and keep looking. Cheers!

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 07:37

Yes Graeme, it is SS Westfalen.

She was originally a 1906 built freighter and became Lufthansa's first catapult ship. In the early 1930s the she was converted into a seaplane tender to serve as both weather reporting and refueling station for Dornier Wal flying boats of Lufthansa carrying mail trans-Atlantic between Europe and South America.

Popular Science - Google Books

Promised the film/video: Katapultschiff Westfalen

Over to you :ok:

Noyade 1st Oct 2011 08:20

Well how about that. Bit of a fluke mate. :)

Make it open house. I'll file my carrier pictures for maybe another day.

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 08:39

Not to hog the thread but to keep things rolling

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...um190349-1.png

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 08:58

Rutbah Wells?

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 09:06


Rutbah Wells?
Correct!

Over to Rugged/Craggy Island :ok:

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 09:42

Thank you!

Try this (in keeping with another recent theme)...

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...utbahWells.jpg

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 10:03

There is one Dornier Do-27 in Fundació Parc Aeronàutic de Catalunya, but its stand is different….

And that even may be a CASA 127…..

Hmm….

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 11:04

Can I assume that the location is not an aerodrome but a fire station, and that the aeroplane has been used for forest fire monitoring and hence is located there?

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 11:31

...You can ;-)

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 12:01

Did I shoot my own foot? Yes, I did :(.

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 16:18

Reg,

I feel a little bad about my reply to you...

It may help you to perceive it to be precisely true.

Happy days,

Father Dick

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 16:29

That's all right Father, I was joking myself :).

Phileas Fogg 1st Oct 2011 16:36

Has the world gone mad and does any site, yard, plinth where an aircraft may have been retired to now constitute an 'aerodrome'?

i.e. This knackers yard is now an aerodrome?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6144/...2b63c2896f.jpg

Spit161 1st Oct 2011 16:42

Hmm. That picture seems a bit controversial. Would it be best to declare and Open House, and be done with it?

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 17:10

Apologies for any disappointment.

The picture posted was taken at a real, functioning, licensed, aerodrome.

However, in the interests of harmony, and as Jake suggests, Open House.

sabredog 1st Oct 2011 19:03

The answer to Father Bryne's challenge #post532 is ;
Cordoba (ODB / LEBA).
A perfectly reasonable challenge and quite standard fare.
Father B has declared Open House.

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 19:56

Sabredog, you are of course, correct.

Just to explain... RegDep asked whether he could assume something. Of course, he can assume what he likes, and so pedantically (but in a spirit of fostering potential misunderstanding to make the challenge a little more interesting) I said he could. I didn't add 'but you won't get any closer to the correct aerodrome!'. He was kind enough to drop me a PM, and I hope he enjoyed the shenanigans.

Others, it seems, took me literally and got one of those 'master caution - primary sense of humour' ECAMs, and I am sorry for mis-judging the tone, perhaps.

(In fact, once RegDep gave the aircraft type, you were all only a google image search from a very similar picture to mine, which I took when visiting there in the TB21 front of shot in my previous challenge, around the same time about 15 years ago...).

Hen Ddraig 1st Oct 2011 20:08

Post no 539 appears to be the one and only Lun class ekranopan currently at Kaspiysk, Dagestan.

Russell Gulch 1st Oct 2011 20:23

Ekranoplan can shirley only launch from a slipway (or "waterdrome").

One needs guidance from our illustriois thread starter :p

Father Dick Byrne 1st Oct 2011 20:35

At risk of furthering the damage already done: CAP 168 (which is ICAO compliant to my best recollection) states in its glossary of terms:

Aerodrome


A defined area on land or water (including any buildings, installations and equipment) intended to be used either wholly or in part for the arrival, departure or surface movement of aircraft.


[my bold]

RegDep 1st Oct 2011 20:41

As we patiently wait for our Founding Father Mr. seacue to do his Deus Ex Machina routine, I'll hereby post the opening rules, with some bylaws promulgated by the members only moments his junior:

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...ml#post3406234

seacue 1st Oct 2011 23:07

Mr seacue knows when to keep his distance and dignity - what little is left.

Resume play. But play nice.

Edited to add:
It does seem a stretch to consider a boat to be either
A piece of land where aircraft can take off and land, or
An established area of water where aircraft can take off and land.

A boat / ship is pretty mobile by definition, so its "established area" is established only fleetingly. An aircraft carrier provides facilities for both take-off and landing, but would fit much better in a What Ship? thread.

Use of a catapult may accomplish the take-off process, but I've never heard of an aircraft managing to alight on a catapult.

Let's stick to fixed location aerodromes, either on land or fixed areas of water with passenger or cargo facilities. Pan AM at Dinner Key, Coral Gables, Miami would be an example. Lakes in northern Canada might be border-line cases unless used very regularly.

Seacue has spoken in his most-pompous manner. He'll now go and sulk

Let's get the thread moving again..

olympus 2nd Oct 2011 13:50

Well, I don't know what that was all about but whilst I'm cooling off for a moment (it's very hot in the garden this afternoon) here's a nice easy one to get things going again; surprisingly it's not on the list and it shouldn't last long.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...Airfield19.jpg

RegDep 2nd Oct 2011 14:16

Olympus, yours is Denham Airfield, sometimes in the 60s, I believe.

And Mr. seacue, I fully agree. My posting SS Westfalen was considered at the time by me a piece of Aviation History, being the first civil aviation service "aerodrome" in the Atlantic for South America - Germany flights of Lufthansa. And even if not aviation authorities, both my French source and Popular Mechanics called it aerodrome, as I jokingly noted. Did not mean to be, and will pledge not to be unruly.

Reg

olympus 2nd Oct 2011 17:46

It is Denham.

Spit161 2nd Oct 2011 18:00


It is Denham.
Are you switching control, or declaring an "Open House"?

Airclues 2nd Oct 2011 19:34

Spit

I believe that olympus is confirming that it is Denham, and therefore RegDep has control.

Dave

RegDep 2nd Oct 2011 19:37

Airclues, I agree.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...um214501-1.png

Sorry for the delay, had my dinner.

sabredog 2nd Oct 2011 19:52

Horsham Aerodrome,Victoria,Australia.

RegDep 2nd Oct 2011 20:00

My never disappointing friend sabredog.


Horsham Aerodrome, Victoria, Australia.
Over to you :ok:

sabredog 2nd Oct 2011 20:30

Thank you,Regdep.
I am afraid it is yet another ;
Open House!

Corsairoz 2nd Oct 2011 22:57

As declared OH, how about this one? :

Not on the list or in this thread to date.

I have blurred Airport name only.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u.../number14d.jpg

sycamore 3rd Oct 2011 11:08

Looks somewhat `tropical`.?

Corsairoz 3rd Oct 2011 11:27

Indeed it is, geographically, 'tropical'.


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