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Old 18th Mar 2009, 23:41
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I know that it's a "double negative", but it's not a Short Sealand..is it?
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Old 19th Mar 2009, 00:13
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Sorry not the Short Sealand.

It is from Europe.
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Old 19th Mar 2009, 17:14
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Was this design related to the Weserflug We.271 ?
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Old 19th Mar 2009, 17:48
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There is certainly a relationship to the Weserflug WE.271, but how much of a connection I do not know as I have very little information on the current challenge.
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Old 19th Mar 2009, 20:27
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Is it the proposed refinement of the Hopfner HA-11/33, the WNF (Wiener Neustadter) Wn.11C ?
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Old 19th Mar 2009, 22:49
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As far as I know Dr. Oetker had nothing to do with this machine (the D. O. Company commissioned the HA 11/33) You were very, very close with your previous question.
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Old 20th Mar 2009, 03:23
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I think I've identified the challenge. The Weserflug P.2147.
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Old 20th Mar 2009, 12:33
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Well done evansb, it is the Weserflug P-2147, a four seat amphibian powered by two Hirth 508C engines.

I have very little extra information on this craft. if any one else has more I would like to hear it

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Old 20th Mar 2009, 13:56
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Thanks S'land. Here is the next challenge:
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Old 20th Mar 2009, 14:34
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A version of the Bellanca Model 77 perhaps?
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Old 20th Mar 2009, 15:25
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Mel, you are very quick in identifying the heritage of the aircraft. The Bellanca Bimotor Transport was an eighteen-place civilian transport version of the Model 77-140/320 Junior Bomber prototype and seaplane. Designed in 1934, the Bimotor was equipped with the latest blind flying instruments of the day, and had oleo type undercarriage. She was powered by two Wright Cyclone 710-hp geared radials vs. the 715-hp motors of the Model 77. The Bimotor Transport's wing span was 76 feet vs. 77 feet of the Model 77, and an overall length of 44 feet, which was 4 feet longer than the Model 77. Given the wingspans of the aforementioned aircraft, and the fact that the "-320" of the Model 77 referred to the 32-foot long floats, perhaps Bellanca should have called the Bimotor the Model 76. You have control.

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Old 20th Mar 2009, 19:54
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Next Challenge

Thanks Bri it was the wing planform and faired wing support struts that led me to my reply. The Bellanca Model 66-70 has a similar wing plan form and faired wing supports. I then found the Bellanca 77-140 bomber but could not locate the photo that you has just posted. A great challenge.
Here is the next one:-

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Old 21st Mar 2009, 19:07
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Apart from two PMs identifying this aircraft it would seem not to have sucked in any further takers. Time for a clue, this aircraft was a one off and built for research.
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Old 21st Mar 2009, 21:54
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Possibly Czech ?
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Old 21st Mar 2009, 23:03
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sycamore. Not Czech but from a neighbouring country, which in fact had occupied Czechoslovakia by the time this aircraft flew.
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Old 22nd Mar 2009, 23:15
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Mel's Challenge

A similar project was carried out on an Auster T Mk 7,modified by Marshalls to enable Cambridge University to explore boundary-layer control by suction.
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Old 24th Mar 2009, 12:20
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....after much Googling , picking up from clues re Germany, Boundary Layer etc etc........

Ava AF-1


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Old 24th Mar 2009, 14:07
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one11 has it . As you rightly say it is the AVA AF1. It certainly is an unusual aircraft. Aerodynamische Versuchsanstalt Göttingen (AVA), worked with the suction motor concept on two early experimental aircraft from 1938-40, the AF-1 and AF-2 to study boundary layer control. All flight tests were purely experimental and neither aircraft had a military equivalent. As the Fieseler Fi-156 Storch STOL aircraft fulled the utility role without need of a suction motor for ultra-short take-offs.

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Old 24th Mar 2009, 19:44
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Sorry it got a bit cropped but nothing vital missing..........

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Old 25th Mar 2009, 14:44
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Time for a clue I guess. The manufacturer is normally associated with much heavier and faster designs and flew its first jet in the same year as this one got off the ground......
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