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Old 12th Aug 2009, 08:23
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Good morning all

Atlas C4M Kudu?
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the Aermacchi AM3?
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Sorry Ridge Runner - not the AM3.

It is indeed the C4M skytrain.

It's all yours.

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Thanks LM...a spin off from the original Lockheed/Macchi AL60.

I'm off air for a couple of hours, so I'll leave you with this fine looking machine. Who will get it first?

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What a busy little lot you all were yesterday.There were some very interesting challenges that I am sorry to have missed. I feel sorry for Mel when he makes the next update to aircraft use list. I thought that the VW in the BV 200 was for getting from front to back as quickly as possible.

For the current challenge can I suggest the Kawasaki Ki-61 "Hein/Tony", possibly the proposed Ki-61-III version?
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 10:59
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Methinks the canopy is not that of the Ki 61.....
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Evening S'land and LM. Just returned from watching the latest Harry Potter saga with the family. What a depressing ending?!

I don't think it's Japanese S'land. I believe we're back to Yugoslavia with what looks like the IKARUS (VTI) S-49C.
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 11:32
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Back on line again.

S'land, not the Ki-61, but Noyade has it, its the Ikarus S-49C:



Back to you Noyade

ps...not seen the latest one so don't tell me!
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I looked at that too Noyade, but I cannot find one of that series which does not have a cooling intake under the engine.
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And for those who don't know it, the photo that Noyade posted was at the excellent Belgrade Museum. Jugoslavia has a rich aviation heritage and most of it is shown there. A must for anyone going to that area.

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I looked at that too Noyade, but I cannot find one of that series which does not have a cooling intake under the engine.
Hi LM. I suspect that you might be looking at the S-49A which has the intake below the engine?
Were you or are you a religious collector of your home grown Air International magazine? If so, check out the "Fighter A to Z" entries for February 1983 which shows the rear fuselage intake for the S-49C in a three-view which matches skytrain10's on page 99.

And being a lazy bastard, this next challenge appears on the same page.

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Thank you Noyade.

You are, of course, quite correct.

Sleep well while the rest of us try to sort out your latest offering.

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Ok, I'll give it a go.....Macchi 205? Or there again?? Yak-90?
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 23:28
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I agree that it looks Russian, possibly the MiG I-220?
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Old 13th Aug 2009, 00:51
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Or the Mig 3
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Old 13th Aug 2009, 04:07
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I have this uncanny ability to pick poor choices for my challenges and need to research them better before posting. It would appear that the general arrangement of this aircraft was highly speculative back in 1983 and even now it's debatable as no photos exist. Even the designation changes with each source and time period. It is Russian but not MiG or Yak. The Bureau responsible is more famous for its bombers, ground attack and transport aircraft.

1983



1994 (Note the change in cockpit location, wing planform and fin shape)

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Good afternoon Noyade.

So now that we have two pics, which one are we looking at?

I'm poring over Ilyushin.....

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So now that we have two pics, which one are we looking at?
G'day LM. Well, that's the crazy thing, they're suppose to depict the same aircraft but it appears that over time the general arrangement changes. I thought it would help with the search to provide the old and the new version. As I said, turns out to be a poor choice for a challenge.

I'm poring over Ilyushin.....
Done deal mate, I'll accept that. Depending on your source, and how old it is, it's the Ilushyin Il-1, I-21(TsKB-32) or CCB-32.

The image below seems to fit the old 3-view version.



Gladly handing control over to you LM.
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Old 13th Aug 2009, 11:01
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Thanks Noyade, and good evening.

History is supposed to be about facts, and I agree the designations around do have conflictions. The nearest I could get was the Il-1, but something wasn't quite right.

Here's another to keep things running, and I sure it won't last long.

LM

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Hi LM!It looks like the Cmelak? Specifically the Z37A-2? RR
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