Fair call. Personally I find it cathartic and every bit helps these days.

I’ve never really believed the story that any kind of response is a positive for engagement. I can think of a few Base Managers who were coincidentally moved on just after receiving poor scores in engagement surveys.

Well... I just let rip, and if they want to de-identify it and track me down, so be it. :hmm:

Engagement equals KPIs for managers still reaping rewards even though they have almost no one to manage. Way to go " Leaders ".

Sullenbergers address to congress sumed it up well.

" A revolving door managment team treating the airline's staff as ATMs."


MCD.

I took great pleasure in telling them exactly how I felt.

I let rip as well, sick of being polite.

I didn't complete one, the way they continue to outsource all aspects of the Company (On Time Performance anyone? Must have been removed from their KPI's this year), the way that our "Group"- as in Network, Cobham/NJS, Alliance- continue to externally recruit, continue with Promotion, and some of which have never even had a month of stand down (I recently saw some social media posts of Network Pilots......) ,whilst 3/4 of our pilots apparently have "no useful work" and continue to be stood down...well, Our Management should be ashamed, instead it is Champagne all round.

Qantas is a toxic place to work anyway.They don’t give a s&$#@ about their staff.As you say subsidiaries at capacity whilst some pilots are told to F&$# off till 2024 and do 5 years stand down.
Have to face the reality they truly dont give a ****e other than bull**** wank off emails and rubbish wipe your arse surveys.
Do your best to move on,study something or start something else.If anyone’s left after years in the abyss they are not going to give two hoots about the toxic red rat.

Maybe I'm just cynical but, I don't understand people wanting to waste their time filling in surveys etc. No one will ever read it. Especially a HR survey. A useless survey written by the most useless people in the business.
Not many physcometric tests to check these days, so need to justify their existence in other ways.
% quota of engaged employees achieved = bonuses and management reach arounds. ....

Just as I don't get the few individuals that still want to take minimum fuel everywhere, bend over backwards to save fuel, extend duty times, use minimum flap settings, not use reverse etc like seriously why do you care?
There is no mutual respect anymore. Management literally see you as a dog to be used until you drop or your no longer useful. To then be taken out the back and cast away so they can bring in a newer cheaper one.

How about the torture AJ and crowd have put staff through the last few months with this property review. Thousands worried if they’ll have to give up their jobs if their workplace moves. To worry about this during this pandemic!
Only to find out after an excruciating wait that, wait for it, they’re not moving!!!
Disgraceful!

Toxic in the extreme.

It must be socially isolating and quite lonely to know what the average pilot thinks of managers.

All the rhetoric and rubbish surveys wont help them when they have to look in to a mirror. Or look you in the eye.

MCD

Qantas don’t give a damn. I don’t know why they bother. Flying is years away for many. A survey or other bull**** emails are an insult. Many are cast aside unpaid for years. Why would you bother to read an email, do a survey or even give a toss. Those on extended stand downs have mentally checked out or soon will. Those that don’t return till late 2023 or most likely later are going to slowly give up. Might have been said by someone else but time to stop waiting for something that’s not going to return for years, and a toxic company who’s happy to cast you aside for a long time.
Past DPA now, find somewhere and something else so you don’t need to care.

Whatever people may think north or south about the future of LH

It is great to see the QF LH crew doing what they are currently doing

Truly Courageous

It certainly is & they are getting no recognition for it.
Yet again,its those at the top whose faces appear to receive all the glory whilst at the same time continue to screw the workforce in any way they can think of.

Happy for them to be up and flying again, but truly courageous..? How many vaccinated, stood down/sacked WB guys and girls in Aus wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to do what they’re currently doing..

Truly courageous?

Thats a circle jerk if ive ever heard it!

its telfer ffs

They wouldn’t get me doing the India flights for double pay. Good on those people who’ve put their name forward, it’s voluntary for a reason.

Lots of "courageous" BA and Virgin pilots have been flying to India regularly during the C19 event. Mainly freight. At the moment obviously no layover.
Double crewed, out and back with a couple of hours turnaround. All aircraft have crew rest facilities of course.
Also being UK based they have at least one vaccination. Vaccinations down to the mid 30 year olds here.

There are also alot of " Truly Courageous " who are working jobs they rather wouldn't be to provide for their families.

Dont forget the guys and girls who arent allowed to fly or earn a living from their chosen profession. There are plent out there that would jump at the chance to earn something. Covid or no Covid.

The truly courageous are those trying keeping it together whilst being shafted by all around them.

MCD

Well said! I’m going on 424 days since I last did my job.

We are all vaccinated so the risk is there but extremely low. We had COVID positive passengers on board a few months ago. Didn’t know until we were told a few days later. Not one of the crew became infected and that was long before anyone was vaccinated. The odds are probably higher of having an engine failure at V1 and what are the odds of that? 2/5ths of fu*kall.

Lots of people that frequent this forum and think that they’re opinion is somehow valid or needed have no idea of risk or responsibility. Pilots accept and mitigate risk on a daily basis. When you are responsible for all passengers crew and the aircraft as your professional duty, you understand risk. It’s probably the reason why the vast majority think that the quarantine arrangements are complete bull****.

Then we get Tucknroll crapping on about supposed risks that aren’t even calculable. Do you fly? Do you drive? Do you eat red meat? Drink alcohol. Stay in bed mate it’s far safer. **** you could even get an infected bed sore.

As a rough guess 90% of the 787 crew are making themselves available for repat flying including yours trooley.
Why do some learn to fly when they’re so scared of living?

442 for me

I don’t because I have someone in my home who would likely die if they got Covid. And that’s the point really, the reason that Australia has fared so well is because we, as a nation, have shielded the weak and vulnerable. I know if I get Covid, I’ll be fine. Thousands of Australians would die if it got loose in our unvaccinated community.

Most Australians are happy with the current situation, because we’re living good, almost entirely unaffected lives during a pandemic. If the decision makers called Troo believer instead of the actual experts, we’d have hundreds if not thousands of dead.

Yes the vaccination is the key to unlocking the travel restrictions. We all know that. You could quarantine in a hotel instead if you’re concerned about bringing back an infection if you’re indeed a pilot. Somehow I doubt that you are. I will add that not one flight crew member flying internationally has become infected since it all began. Read the science. It’s accessible and prolific but don’t hide behind ill founded opinion based on CLS. Is the vulnerable person vaccinated yet? I sincerely hope so.

Tucknroll is probably a tradie, quite happy to take jobkeeper whilst it was available by cooking the books (I'll give you 10% discount for cash sound familiar??), but now is booked out for the next 2 years. There is absolutely now chance he is in anyway associated with the Aviation Industry, it actually looks like Telfer using another name.

Well I think it was & is courageous , a lot of evac flights were done pre-vaccine
Others may have their own view , can't really see the relevance of people quoting number of days since work
I got called various names(not phased) by stating that getting back to 25% of international (no including NZ) within 2 years
would be a great achievement - it turns out I was wildly optimistic. Covid still ripping through countries & Sing/HK/Taiwan back in lockdown
, places like Indo/Thailand & the poorer countries in Asia concern me.

I always thought the "snapback" theory to International travel was tenuous. And what people need to start coming to terms with is that the
pre-Covid international travel system simply no longer exists - there is nothing to "go back" to anymore. That system is gone/over for several years
& something new needs to be created

Shrieking "its all good" or blaming the various Australian Govts isn't going to change reality, WA , Vic & Qld are not going to cede their international border control powers

Yes they have.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13009752

Ah yes, all those tradies that hang out on obscure pilots forums. Perhaps you can write to the moderator with important access questions like “which bush is the best for hiding long necks at fatty’s so skinny didn’t find them” so you can weed out all the plumbers who like to post here. Hell if I was a tradie, I’d have much better things to do with my time than argue with armchair virology experts who blame their woes on anyone they can.

No incorrect. It was a flight attendant (cabin crew) not flight crew (pilot).

And it was suspected they picked it up at some stage whilst in Paris (adhering to all the rules regarding iso), not from a pax.

Because pilots don't catch Covid

https://www.traveller.com.au/taiwan-...-pilots-h1vr9j

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55433588

You’re wrong.

not relevant given the restrictions in place for aus based crew when overseas and on return.
We're not wandering around getting/spreading it nor getting it at home and taking it abroad.

we're locked in hotel rooms.

Yep I know of at least one tech crew. I am sure there are others.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....0a10fa90a5e0c7

If you read that article closely you’ll see that Mick got Covid before the stand down and restrictions about staying in your hotel room, etc. In his own words he talks about the interaction in the shops- something QF pilots haven’t had since resuming repat and freighter flying from about May last year.

Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.

The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.

Confirmation bias creeps in. Why can’t some people read properly. However, I’ll need to be more specific next time.
“Since the border was closed and all rpt flying ceased internationally”.
How’s that?

https://www.traveller.com.au/austral...rrivals-h1vusn

People don't get Covid in hotel rooms? You had better let the State and Territory authorities know, that might come as a surprise!

To be fair, in most international ports Qantas crew aren’t sharing floors with Covid positive people. The only place that tends to happen is when forced into hotel quarantine in Australia.

Again, we’ve had 4,000+ pilots operate internationally and overnight outside of Australia since May last year. Zero covid cases. So no Ozbiggles, it appears that the crew operating internationally are not getting Covid in hotel rooms. We’re all mostly vaccinated now as well.

We are also significantly lower risk than local workers in hotel quarantine who face no restrictions on their movements. But there’s a separate thread already discussing that particular bit of policy stupidity.

Given the amount of bleach used around in the shanghai hotel prison and their processing i have some faith, and then on return these crew are not wandering in thr general population so no its apples/oranges.

I agree it is apples and oranges (for brevity lets ignore the issues of home isolation) but both are potential vectors of Covid or any other virus into the community. It is all about the risk management. My point is (and to swing us/me back to topic)that Qantas crews and any other airline is just going to have to face the fact that Covid risk mitigation is going to remain a part of any operation for the foreseeable future and that ongoing risk management is going to sux (trust me still better than not having a flying career anymore). However as Keg points out that risk management model seems to be working for Australian crews. When you relax it you end up like the once golden child of Covid,Taiwan.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ndard-defences